After reading some reviews that felt the movie would be divisive with critics on one side and general audience on the other side..l was prepared for it not being for me…as I don’t really care too much for weird being there for weird sake….but I throughly am onboard with it….it seems much of the general audience is not as divisive as thought…the audience score is 81% to the critics score of 93%
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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spoken like somebody who listens to the talking points of a certain ideological side, but did not watch any of the movies…I would welcome it, but having characters that just happen to be gay is not same as creating films with gay plot lines
TP2000
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So how do you explain the box office results, especially overseas, of family animation movies aimed at children like Strange World and Lightyear and the continuing damage they seem to have done in 2023 to Elemental and Wish (even if those last two had their gay characters/themes toned down or removed entirely)?
BrianLo
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Yes (approximately) in the box office window.
Likely Nothing so overt. Because in some cases, box office accounts for less than half of a movies eventual revenue. The studios have lost a fraction of this - though, it is still a negative year by all means. The rest will be recouped on taxes.
Which generally means the money the movies did lose is still justifiable for Disney to keep the production alive as opposed to eliminating entirely. See Artemis Fowl versus Strange World and Lightyear.
Correct, it does bring it down. As mentioned you are over-emphasizing the DVD component.
But every single film on Disney's slate has PVOD, SVOD, streaming, DVD sales. On the worse end of things that may represent as little as ~75million (from the high budgeted films, I'm looking at Haunted Mansion specifically).
For reference, Strange world made 85 million in these revenue streams, Lightyear 155 million.
On the high end, their one clearly successful film GotG 3 might have made about 300-325 million in these revenue streams (using Black Panther as a comp).
I'm not taking your comments as directed at mebut I'm happy to give my perspective that your perspective is colored by a certain level of income, which not everyone has.
For sure, and our entertainment spend has definitely increased over time as I've been fortunate enough to get raises in this job market.
I live on a very tight budget. I wouldn't spend $25 on a book, nor $60 on a video game, nor $20 on a single movie ticket for that matter. So yes, $12 or $15 a month is way too much for any streaming service when there are plenty of cheaper or free entertainment options to choose from.
I don't either, unless it's something that I specifically want to patronize at its full asking price to show my support for it. Most of our books come from Goodwill, most of my non-existent video game time is spent on games purchased 30+ years ago, and we can watch 12 movies/month in the theater for $22. When the weather's nice, I spend an inordinate amount of time on my 20-year old Schwinn. I get it, and there are loads of ways to keep ourselves active and entertained without breaking the bank. I more object to the idea (and I don't get this sense from you at all) that people need to have all of these streaming services, and that they're only worthwhile if they're constantly providing us with something new.
Punching it into an inflation calculator, the average movie ticket is about the same today as it was in 1970. But it doesn't have it's same place in the culture anymore. There are so many other things that people can do with their time and money, and most of those are either at home or are events or experiences that people save money for. Dinner and a movie has been replaced with Netflix and chill.
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erasure fan1
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There's unfortunately two conversations going on here. Is mermaid profitable now, and mermaid wasn't profitable in the theatrical window. Did mermaid make it to profit with payments from D+, merchandising, blue ray/rental? It might have, and if not it's close. Those numbers aren't as readily available. Did it make a profit during its theatrical run? No chance. And the theatrical window is what 99% of the people who are critical of the performance are talking about.
Again, if it follows in the footsteps of its predecessor, it should hold at 800 and then expand after Oscar nominations. Or is that packed 1Q release schedule coming for its screens? You did look at the comp and/or my chart from a few pages back, right?
It's also very much getting a full global release. Feel free to goggle in awe at all of the countries and dates -- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14230458/releaseinfo/
Tony the Tigger
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Nonsense. Having the 6th highest ranking picture *by dollar amount* is a quantifiable success by definition, period.
You can’t say the number 6 song of the year as ranked by Billboard isn’t successful, either.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Not to the guy signing the checks nor any business person period.
Giving money away is not success.
You’re comparing apples and pineapples.
Popularity isn’t what keeps the light on. Sales do. And unlike movies… artists don’t spend 300 million to make their song
Prince-1
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Lone article!?!
I posted at least three separate articles all claiming TLM made money. Seems like that advanced age of yours might be affecting the noggin.
LSLS
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You can if they spent $25 million writing and producing that song and they only received $10 million in revenue from the play across various stations/album sales.
Disstevefan1
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This looks good, but we all know they lost money to achieve this.
Its like jewelry, looks good but cost a lot of money.
Disstevefan1
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Phroobar
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Is that why he put him in charge of a burning house then comes back after the fire department leaves? Is he going to disappear again with the current mudslide?
Disstevefan1
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Tony the Tigger
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Still no.
Tony the Tigger
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The fire department has changed hands.
It’s very simple the films were not that great… It has nothing to with any agendas
LSLS
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You are off on this one if you think a studio is alright losing money. There is 0 chance you could find a major record label who would proudly tout the success of financing the #6 song on the charts for the year while losing money on it. You wouldn't find a movie studio doing that either.