Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's the same as telling a coach with a losing record to "just win". Certainly you can do better than that and tell us exactly how to ensure that every franchise is successful. What changes would you specifically make?

The only one I can speak for is SW. I can come up with 100 things that I personally feel would have made the new trilogy better. However, in the long run, that doesn't at all mean that everyone or even many would agree. Making the changes I feel would work would not even come close to guaranteeing better box office results.

But you talk as if you know it all and have the not-so-secret formula for making everything successful. So you must be in the business.

One of them wouldn’t have been hard at all…but you know that

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Its "totaled up" when the last dollar is collected for the particular film, that could be 1 month, 6 months, or 10 years from now. That is for Disney to worry about, not us. The point is that is ONLY Disney that can determine when the receipts are all totaled, not you or me.

Now you can label a movie a failure at the box office all you want, but if Disney is continuing to make money on it post-theatrical do you think they really care that some posters on a fan forum called it a failure. Nope they don't, they will say "thank you consumer" and laugh all the way to the bank. This is the way....

It’s never getting there…stop trying to have a parachute on this.

Just accept a movie that has no bearing on your life failed. It’s not hard.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Welcome to the forum, new member.

The big picture: of course. Regarding TLM, no. The social contribution outweighs what little they may have lost on box office. We are in a bizarre moment in history where people are hypersensitive to things like this. This moment will pass. Either way this movie will be greatly appreciated by certain segments of the population - now, and I believe more down the road. The criticism will revert back to a majority talking about live action remakes rather than a majority talking about “not my Ariel.”

Since I’m such a slow learner…remind me again what that contribution is?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Just a friendly reminder about the rabidly anti-Kathleen-Kennedy posters - Star Wars just released Andor, unquestionably the best piece of media in that franchise in 40 years, hot on the heels of the popularly loved first two seasons of Mando - and this changed NOTHING about the rhetoric surrounding the property. Nothing at all.

Some folks just want to be aggrieved.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

They sell more stuff with more people in the seats.

Worth quoting because I hadn’t seen it mentioned before, a movie that is seen by 100 million people is bound to sell more merch on the back end than a movie that gets seen by 50 million people.

The huge unknown is how much merch it’ll sell after it hits D+… I can’t even remember if Encanto had a theatrical release but sold a ton of merch after hitting D+.

 

[erasure fan1]

Just a friendly reminder about the rabidly anti-Kathleen-Kennedy posters - Star Wars just released Andor, unquestionably the best piece of media in that franchise in 40 years, hot on the heels of the popularly loved first two seasons of Mando - and this changed NOTHING about the rhetoric surrounding the property. Nothing at all.

Some folks just want to be aggrieved.

Of course it didn't. Theatrical star wars is all but dead for the next 4 or 5 years. And even then, I'll believe we are getting a new movie when it's behind cameras. Remember, they've cancelled more than they've released. Sure Andor was really good, I also like mando. But we also got book of boba, and obi-wan was pretty mediocre. The movies speak for themselves, most seem to think rogue one is the best of the bunch, solo was unnecessary and last Jedi fractured the fan base. Rise of Skywalker wasn't very liked at all. They did no justice for the characters most of the fans have loved for 40+ yrs. So why again would the fans all of a sudden be gushing over Kennedy for her star wars? Even a broken clock is right twice a day as they say.

 

[Serpico Jones]

The theatrical exhibition business is a remnant of the past. You can’t ask young people to put their phones away for at least two hours as a business and expect to thrive nowadays. Bad projection, annoying patrons, overpriced fast food and overpriced tickets make it a no-go for many.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

That's the same as telling a coach with a losing record to "just win". Certainly you can do better than that and tell us exactly how to ensure that every franchise is successful. What changes would you specifically make?

The only one I can speak for is SW. I can come up with 100 things that I personally feel would have made the new trilogy better. However, in the long run, that doesn't at all mean that everyone or even many would agree. Making the changes I feel would work would not even come close to guaranteeing better box office results.

But you talk as if you know it all and have the not-so-secret formula for making everything successful. So you must be in the business.

I love the people who have the answer, and that answer is, just make a good Star Wars movie!

Like geez, I can't believe Disney didn't think of that!

George Lucas failed to make a beloved Star Wars sequel multiple times but the armchair quarterbacks just know they could do it oh so easily if given the chance. It's hilarious.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s never getting there…stop trying to have a parachute on this.

Just accept a movie that has no bearing on your life failed. It’s not hard.

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Please don't tell me what my opinion should be.

Also I've already accepted that most of Disney's films this year haven't met expectations theatrically, so you don't have to tell me what to accept or not. Whether they find success and such afterward remains anyone's guess. But its not for YOU to decide. You are not the final arbitrator of such things.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How are people claiming math is subjective? The math certainly is not, but the conclusions drawn from it can differ. Statistics can often be used to bolster weak arguments.

“at the end of the day it will turn a profit”
No
“They use merch to offset budgets”
No
“The cultural impact of this far outweighs and ticket sales”

Maybe…but that is no more true than “in my next life I’m gonna be a unicorn”

…prove me wrong. You got as much of a chance there.

 

[Chi84]

“at the end of the day it will turn a profit”
No
“They use merch to offset budgets”
No
“The cultural impact of this far outweighs and ticket sales”

Maybe…but that is no more true than “in my next life I’m gonna be a unicorn”

…prove me wrong. You got as much of a chance there.

I admit when I don't know things, so no thanks. None of those examples are math by the way.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I love the people who have the answer, and that answer is, just make a good Star Wars movie!

Like geez, I can't believe Disney didn't think of that!

George Lucas failed to make a beloved Star Wars sequel multiple times but the armchair quarterbacks just know they could do it oh so easily if given the chance. It's hilarious.

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The core of Star Wars was mark hamill

Full stop. You can’t separate it’s legacy form him or Vice versa.
Not a secret. Irvin kershner said it…Howard kazanjian said it, Gary Kurtz said it, Lawrence kasdan.

Your hero was baked in. Go with it. Either by leading…or sacrifice…or mentorship..whatever.

They had some of the right ideas…just completely botched it.

The focus can’t be the corpse of Carrie fisher…that was just biology…and Harrison ford was fine…but he was NEVER the hero…just the sidekick.

Watch a couple of hours of movies without a focus group and two accountants and you coulda just ingested what it is…

Also: don’t change labels just to do it…the old names and titles were just fine.

Also: don’t shrink the size of the universe down to like 10 people and a ship. Like overcompensate from George’s CG vomit a bit much? Happy medium is called “happy” for a reason. That was R1

Also: don’t let morons write their own whims…for instance a reboot no one on earth ever asked for. Starkiller

Also: don’t hate the audience that liked the thing in the first place. The “war on the 80’s” needed to be fought on another battleground…you got marvel for that

None of this was hard at all. Anyone failing to recognize the minefield they laid shoulda been banned from hollywood.

But let’s get back to current failures…not past ones

 

[Tha Realest]

I admit when I don't know things, so no thanks. None of those examples are math by the way.

Some might say those are excuses to explain away the unfavorable inferences from basic math

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I admit when I don't know things, so no thanks. None of those examples are math by the way.

They all lead directly to rather simple arithmetic.

That’s what the Walt Disney Company wants

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Please don't tell me what my opinion should be.

Also I've already accepted that most of Disney's films this year haven't met expectations theatrically, so you don't have to tell me what to accept or not. Whether they find success and such afterward remains anyone's guess. But its not for YOU to decide. You are not the final arbitrator of such things.

It’s
Not
Getting
There


You can wait 5 years from the last screening in Papua New Guinea…
…won’t matter

The math doesn’t work. Not an opinion

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s
Not
Getting
There


You can wait 5 years from the last screening in Papua New Guinea…
…won’t matter

The math doesn’t work. Not an opinion

My friend let it go. You have your opinion and I have mine, we're obviously not going to change each others minds here.

Also no one here is debating the math from the theatrical, which seems to be all you care about, so I don't know why you keep going on about it. It didn't meet expectations during theatrical, yep we get that, that has been accepted by almost everyone here. So you can let that go too.

Move on and lets discuss something else.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My friend let it go. You have your opinion and I have mine, we're obviously not going to change each others minds here.

Also no one here is debating the math from the theatrical, which seems to be all you care about, so I don't know why you keep going on about it. It didn't meet expectations during theatrical, yep we get that, that has been accepted by almost everyone here. So you can let that go too.

Move on and lets discuss something else.

…I’m it will come up later

Until then

 

[Chi84]

Some might say those are excuses to explain away the unfavorable inferences from basic math

Could be, but then they aren’t incontrovertible are they?

 

[Tha Realest]

Also no one here is debating the math from the theatrical, which seems to be all you care about, so I don't know why you keep going on about it.

Move on and lets discuss something else.

my dude, the thread topic is literally

Disney at the Box Office - So what happens now?​

 

[Disney Irish]

my dude, the thread topic is literally

Disney at the Box Office - So what happens now?​

Dude, Plenty of discussion left in the topic without rehashing the same exact films and their disappointing box office over and over.