Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[AdventureHasAName]

Name them. Tell me the “number of big post-MCU failures.” Give me three. Dolittle was a miss, sure, but is par for the course for Disney’s 2023 theatrical slate (which you dismiss and hand-wave away as failures).

Give me RD Jr’s top three misses, and I’ll let you include Dolittle as one.

Dolittle was one, but I actually liked that film (and the kids in my family did too).

 

[Disstevefan1]

I liked it too. South Park aims for a lot of things, but being well-balanced isn’t one of them lol.

It felt balanced to me. Folks tend to focus on things they don't agree with and not look at the work as a whole.

 

[TP2000]

If The Marvels cost $275M starring Brie Larson and two TV actors, with a newish director, how much more is a star-studded Avengers movie going to cost, post-strike, and under a new VFX bargaining group to deal with?

Thank you for mentioning that. I had wondered how they spent $275 Million on a 95 minute long movie where the three leads came relatively cheap (a B List movie actress, and two minor TV actresses).

Did the cat special effects really cost them $100 Million? Where did all that money go?

And more importantly, who on earth approved spending $275 Million on this movie? And what were their expectations for it? Did they think this was going to be a Billion dollar movie second only to Barbie at the box office?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Name them. Tell me the “number of big post-MCU failures.” Give me three. Dolittle was a miss, sure, but is par for the course for Disney’s 2023 theatrical slate (which you dismiss and hand-wave away as failures).

Give me RD Jr’s top three misses, and I’ll let you include Dolittle as one.

No one is “hand-waving” or “dismissing” flops. No one is saying The Marvels isn’t a flop. Some posters are trying to discuss them rationally, put them in context, and consider why they happened while a very loud group here just wants to scream that Disney is terrible and a subset of that wants to make vague insinuations and reject any reasons beyond… you know (wink wink).

You’re right, Doolittle and Oppenheimer are the only projects Downey’s put out post-MCU. By your furious attempts to get ahead of it, you already know Doolittle was a big failure. The Judge, his mid-MCU film, also failed. He was attached to star in HBOs Perry Mason but ended up just producing, and it was just cancelled (which is a shame, it was good).

 

[Casper Gutman]

It felt balanced to me. Folks tend to focus on things they don't agree with and not look at the work as a whole.

I love South Park, but the moral of their 326th episode being, “just produce great new original content,” is more simplistic and less self-aware then they tend to be.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Well, word of mouth about the film’s quality is clearly kicking in!

Forecast is to drop an embarrassing 65%.

But good news! After 10 days plus previews, the film is “almost” getting to its original opening weekend forecast!

Weekend Box Office Forecast: THE HUNGER GAMES: THE BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES, NEXT GOAL WINS, TROLLS BAND TOGETHER, and THANKSGIVING

Pre-Thanksgiving weekend will see the welcome release of four major studio films as the holiday corridor begins to ramp up with a variety of content.

www.boxofficepro.com

Please stop double posting.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I love South Park, but the moral of their 326th episode being, “just produce great new original content,” is more simplistic and less self-aware then they tend to be.

The proved themselves, it's not as easy as it seems to produce great new original content and I think if Disney wanted to do it they could.

It seems Disney wants to correct the past through live action remakes.

 

[flynnibus]

To be fair, the only people talking about a South Park ep are internet users who obsess over Disney’s feature film mismanagement. Normies didn’t see it and don’t care.

Uhh no

South park is a thing and often great too. sorry you miss out on it.

 

[erasure fan1]

Yup, he’ll come back. I’d be quite surprised if an informal understanding hasn’t been in place with Evans and Downey for a while - I doubt they do the multiverse/Secret Wars storyline (and forego interim Avengers) without one.

Yea, there's very little chance that bringing them back wasn't the plan all along in my opinion. I don't think it's coincidence the hammering noise at the end of the credits of endgame was just for the heck of it. It was to signify, there's always a chance. And Evans could never really commit one way or the other. I remember him in an interview about a year or so after endgame. He was asked if he was done playing Cap. He said yes, I'm done. Then he said, unless the avengers need me, how could I say no? It's captain America!

They both wanted time to do other things. It was a good way to let them go off and do their own things, all while keeping the door cracked for when the time was right.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Uhh no

South park is a thing and often great too. sorry you miss out on it.

South Park is good and surprisingly consistent, but it hasn’t really been culturally relevant for well over a decade.

 

[Chi84]

The South Park folks aren’t aiming to be well-balanced or fair. They’re apt to skewer mercilessly. See Hasa Diga Eebowai.

If you’re seeing well-balanced, it could be you who's looking at only what you want to see. Just sayin’

 

[Disney Irish]

Thank you for mentioning that. I had wondered how they spent $275 Million on a 95 minute long movie where the three leads came relatively cheap (a B List movie actress, and two minor TV actresses).

Did the cat special effects really cost them $100 Million? Where did all that money go?

And more importantly, who on earth approved spending $275 Million on this movie? And what were their expectations for it? Did they think this was going to be a Billion dollar movie second only to Barbie at the box office?

VFX is usually a primary reason for the large budgets in many cases these days. Its a VFX heavy film, not just for any "cats special effects", but entire planets and action sequences that need to be generated.

 

[TP2000]

VFX is usually a primary reason for the large budgets in many cases these days. Its a VFX heavy film, not just for any "cats special effects", but entire planets and action sequences that need to be generated.

Action scenes might have required $100 Million of its budget. And then there's likely another $75 Million for TV actress payroll and basic operations and the snack table and Keurig pods. Which leaves about $100 Million left over for the cat special effects.

I'm just spitballing those numbers. Or hairballing, as the case may be.

I'd love to see the breakdown of how they spent $275 Million on The Marvels, wouldn't you?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Action scenes might have required $100 Million of its budget. And then there's likely another $75 Million for TV actress payroll and basic operations and the snack table and Keurig pods. Which leaves about $100 Million left over for the cat special effects.

I'm just spitballing those numbers. Or hairballing, as the case may be.

I'd love to see the breakdown of how they spent $275 Million on The Marvels, wouldn't you?

Disney states the budget for the Marvels was $275 Million. No one knows how much over budget they went for this film or any film. We also don't know how much money was spent on marketing this or any film.

Disney spends SO MUCH money to make and market their films, if they don't bring in 800 Million in, its safe to assume they lost money on any film they release.

 

[_caleb]

LOL - they marketed it as "Crazy Cat Lady Aunt" the Movie

... right in the sweet spot of the MCU's target demographic.

Who do you think the e MCU’s core demographic is?

If The Marvels cost $275M starring Brie Larson and two TV actors, with a newish director, how much more is a star-studded Avengers movie going to cost, post-strike, and under a new VFX bargaining group to deal with?

RD Jr is likely to get nominated (and win) for an Oscar for Oppenheimer. Does this sound like a man interested in coming back?

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Eventually it’s no longer about money. They can lure filthy rich actors—even reluctant ones—back in exchange for commitments to writing/directing/producing pet projects (see ScarJo’s Tower of Terror deal).

Love him or hate him, wooing stars is one of Iger’s super powers.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Eventually it’s no longer about money.

For TWDC is was never about the money apparently, as most of their recent "successful" films lose money.

 

[Casper Gutman]

For TWDC is was never about the money apparently, as most of their recent "successful" films lose money.

This continues to be an insane thing to say.

 

[Casper Gutman]

By the way, if anyone wants to see what “forced” actually looks like, the trailer for Sony’s Madame Web is online. I’m so sorry for pointing that out.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This continues to be an insane thing to say.

Agreed. I have given up trying to understand the insane money TWDC spends on their films with expectations to get ROI.

 

[BuddyThomas]

LOL - they marketed it as "Crazy Cat Lady Aunt" the Movie

... right in the sweet spot of the MCU's target demographic.

The man eating cats happened to be the best part of the movie.