Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

You wouldn’t be trying to “blame the audience” on the DL again for bad Disney press and results…would you?

Because that’s as old as some of us harping on math all day…

…except math is actually true

Nope, what I'm saying is that the "pay-it-forward" space has the same fluctuations in box office sales as regular ticket sales. So this idea that its some "hack" to get better box office totals is false. As stated its only worked with one movie, as opposed to the what appears to be several others that have failed. And that one where it worked has a big asterisk as it was shown that tickets sold didn't equal seats full.

So basically this isn't something that Disney should try with Wish or any other film.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nope, what I'm saying is that the "pay-it-forward" space has the same fluctuations in box office sales as regular ticket sales. So this idea that its some "hack" to get better box office totals is false. As stated its only worked with one movie, as opposed to the what appears to be several others that have failed. And that one where it worked has a big asterisk as it was shown that tickets sold didn't equal seats full.

So basically this isn't something that Disney should try with Wish or any other film.

So we moving on to wish already?

…might not want to open that can just yet.


The box office is kinda baked in - unfortunately - on marvels.

As TP states…it’s really the computers doing The work and they’re close to dead on.

And it’s a shame…because Disney/marvel could use a hit here

 

[Disney Irish]

So we moving on to wish already?

…might not want to open that can just yet.


The box office is kinda baked in - unfortunately - on marvels.

As TP states…it’s really the computers doing The work and they’re close to dead on.

And it’s a shame…because Disney/marvel could use a hit here

Reading comprehension? Where did I say move on from Wish?

All I said was that Disney shouldn't do the "pay-it-forward" scheme that some posters say they should. As it's not some "hack" that some seem to think it is, its only worked once. That is all I'm saying.....

As for the rest, as usual I don't know what you're blathering on about....

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Reading comprehension? Where did I say move on from Wish?

All I said was that Disney shouldn't do the "pay-it-forward" scheme that some posters say they should. As it's not some "hack" that some seem to think it is, its only worked once. That is all I'm saying.....

You brought up wish…or someone did?
I thought it was marvels week?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For the record: I think wish will underachieve also

 

[Disney Irish]

You brought up wish…or someone did?
I thought it was marvels week?

Context matters, all I was saying is that Disney SHOULD NOT try the "pay-it-forward" scheme with Wish. That is all I said. Didn't allude to its box office performance at all.

I also didn't bring up Marvels either, so again not sure what you're blathering about.

 

[TP2000]

I barely consider this a real magazine anymore, but for what it’s worth:

Disney faces uphill battle with 'The Marvels'

Disney film "The Marvels" is set to be hit with a boycott as social media users call out a recent donation by the company.

www.newsweek.com

Probably because there are no real magazines anymore. They no longer exist.

Which saddens me, because every Christmas during the JFK and LBJ years my grandma would send me a Christmas card in it with two things; a crisp $5 bill, and an announcement card that my annual subscription to the National Geographic Society had been renewed for another year.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Context matters, all I was saying is that Disney SHOULD NOT try the "pay-it-forward" scheme with Wish. That is all I said. Didn't allude to its box office performance at all.

I also didn't bring up Marvels either, so again not sure what you're blathering about.

Hit the button dude…let me “unburden you”

Disneys entire year has sucked and it’s 101% on them. Let’s cut the crap.

They’re making terrible stuff and it doesn’t seem anyone cares about the label. Which if true - is the breakdown of Iger, Inc’s entire excuse for a “strategy”. Movie performance is another log on what amounts to a huge corporate fire.

So the spring and summer it was all “the movies in fact…don’t suck. You’ll see! Money will be made”…then it morphed into the ever so popular “poison audience” fake debate…”besides…money doesn’t matter anyway. They’re still successful cause of artistic elegance and Disney paying itself!”
Now it’s “I don’t understand?”

…how delightful.

So I won’t quote you…and we can dispense with the shadow boxing?

Best for everyone.

 

[Disney Irish]

Hit the button dude…let me “unburden you”

Disneys entire year has sucked and it’s 101% on them. Let’s cut the crap.

They’re making terrible stuff and it doesn’t seem anyone cares about the label. Which if true - is the breakdown of Iger, Inc’s entire excuse for a “strategy”. Movie performance is another log on what amounts to a huge corporate fire.

So the spring and summer it was all “the movies in fact…don’t suck. You’ll see! Money will be made”…then it morphed into the ever so popular “poison audience” fake debate…”besides…money doesn’t matter anyway. They’re still successful cause of artistic elegance and Disney paying itself!”
Now it’s “I don’t understand?”

…how delightful.

So I won’t quote you…and we can dispense with the shadow boxing?

Best for everyone.

My dude, what does any of that have to do with what I was talking about regarding “pay-it-forward” schemes?

Take a step back from the keyboard, I think you’ve gone off the deep end.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You wouldn’t be trying to “blame the audience” on the DL again for bad Disney press and results…would you?

That’s my gig; and I blame them for a lot. Most people are stupid; half of them still believe in proven liars.

As stated its only worked with one movie

…because it aligned with the obsession with and conspiracy theories about pedophilia.

They’re making terrible stuff

Nonsense. And it doesn’t matter. When they make good stuff like TLM, it still gets treated like terrible stuff. See my first response.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I’m guessing some or all of the sudden leaked Marvel tidbits I’m seeing everywhere are meant to goose The Marvels.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s my gig; and I blame them for a lot. Most people are stupid; half of them still believe in proven liars.

…you’re not expecting me to DISAGREE with you here, are you?
I’ve been saying this for decades…usually with a useless lecture inbound after

Nonsense. And it doesn’t matter. When they make good stuff like TLM, it still gets treated like terrible stuff. See my first response.

There’s gonna be over the top, uncalled for hate with anything Disney does…but typically in small doses relatively speaking

But this stuff is mostly garbage. That’s not the doing of some trolls/bots of the internet

When TLM went to streaming…it had a couple good weeks…but the tracking is indicating no one is watching it now. Disney can’t get 6 year olds to watch something on repeat?

Yikes…the vhs tapes from the 90’s should file a class action lawsuit against them for “negligent abuse and emotional distress”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m guessing some or all of the sudden leaked Marvel tidbits I’m seeing everywhere are meant to goose The Marvels.

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No doubt…

…but when are they gonna DO something with them?

MCU should be in full damage control mode now.

Yeah yeah…”that’s CRAZY!!!”

…right…watch it play

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I’ve been saying this for decades…

Common Jersey knowledge.

 

[Tha Realest]

I’m guessing some or all of the sudden leaked Marvel tidbits I’m seeing everywhere are meant to goose The Marvels.

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They’ve been teasing it for awhile, to be fair.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Which is the better goal?

I guess the goal for a movie business should be to make good movies that bring in more money than it took to make and market the movie.

Between the two, I personally would prefer ROI.

For Disney’s movie business, ROI does not matter, they make their money in other areas of the company which can support their overspending on their beautiful, inclusive, money losing movies.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

For Disney’s movie business, ROI does not matter, they make their money in other areas of the company which can support their overspending on their beautiful, inclusive, money losing movies.

I read this a lot here but I don’t think it’s true.

I think ROI very much matters to Disney, the movie side of the company typically makes hundreds of millions, occasionally billions, every year. 2023 is the exception, not the norm.

Disney has had some bad movie streaks in the past also but they didn’t just continue along the same path because money didn’t matter, they changed course and found the next renaissance era.

Continual losses are what lead to executives getting fired, that reason alone will make them care about ROI.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I read this a lot here but I don’t think it’s true.

I think ROI very much matters to Disney, the movie side of the company typically makes hundreds of millions, occasionally billions, every year. 2023 is the exception, not the norm.

Disney has had some bad movie streaks in the past also but they didn’t just continue along the same path because money didn’t matter, they changed course and found the next renaissance era.

Continual losses are what lead to executives getting fired, that reason alone will make them care about ROI.

To now pivot and say “they don’t care about the money” is completely disingenuous…

For 10 years the Iger cult lauded “look at all the money they make! Another record!” From the rooftops

And now when it crashes - which was 100% inevitable - it doesn’t matter because of minor streaming services?

Bulllll….____
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We can all disagree about the details…even the Philosophy…
But no one should have a level of disrespect for their fellow poster to try to sell intellectual dishonesty

It’s just a company…because you’re a fan does not make it personally vital to your soul.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is general discussion of Disney's Box Office.

That poster-leak isn't from Marvel or source to an official Marvel account.

There are dozens and dozens of social media accounts with "Marvel" or "MCU" in their handle posing as an official Marvel news source, which they aren't.

In fact, I have that account blocked because they keep presenting rumors and wish-fulfillment as facts in the most click-baity way possible.


There's a SPOILER thread for Marvels.

SPOILERS: The Marvels (Captain Marvel 2) theatrical release Nov 10, 2023

Good luck avoiding the spoiler of that surprise cameo.

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[erasure fan1]

Nonsense. And it doesn’t matter. When they make good stuff like TLM, it still gets treated like terrible stuff. See my first response.

Was mermaid terrible? Not sure, haven't watched it yet. But it obviously wasn't what most wanted from Disney. There hasn't been much output that has warranted a lot of praise from Disney in the the last year. So if something good is released, there's a solid chance people might take a pass on it. At this point, they need to gain back the audience's confidence. That might mean we see a few more box office underperformers before people come back. I'm not saying everything was terrible, but there was a lot of, meh, take it or leave it. It's like @Sirwalterraleigh said, there's some unnecessary hate, but that's not enough to effect the box office the way that it went.