Iif only we knew how much money PVOD brings in we will not know how much or little profit a film makes….I am hearing rumors that Indiana Jones is doing much better business on PVOD then theatrical…and Disney gets up to 85% of the profits…but it is nearly impossible to find the data on the PVOD front…I think it is unfair to label a film a flop unless it bombs in theaters and has poor reactions from both critics and audiences…which It appears to me…the latest Indiana Jones has decent word of mouth
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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TP2000
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That was about all I could come up with too.
I suppose you could find fault with the "Just as soon as I find a ladder, I'll be right up" (paraphrasing) line from Henry. Because that implies that Henry finds Teddi Barra attractive and would like to spend time with her, which apparently isn't okay?
There's also the lyric sung by Bunny, Bubbles, and Beulah that "All the guys that turn me on, turn me down". That also suggests they are romantically interested in male bears, which apparently isn't okay?
TP2000
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20th Century Studio's A Haunting In Venice debuts this weekend. I'll track it for the gang here.
Last year's Poirot film from 20th Century, Death On The Nile, lost about $60 Million for Disney at the box office. So it will be interesting to see how this next Poirot film does for them instead. Because I saw Death On The Nile and disliked it so much, they won't be getting me back to the theater for this next one. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...)
That $60 Million loss Disney took on Death On The Nile includes the DVD/BluRay sales 18 months later. All $1.1 Million of it.
Last year's Poirot film from 20th Century, Death On The Nile, lost about $60 Million for Disney at the box office. So it will be interesting to see how this next Poirot film does for them instead. Because I saw Death On The Nile and disliked it so much, they won't be getting me back to the theater for this next one. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...)
That $60 Million loss Disney took on Death On The Nile includes the DVD/BluRay sales 18 months later. All $1.1 Million of it.
TP2000
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A Haunting In Venice is opening to an underwhelming whimper this weekend. (alliteration)
deadline.com
‘Nun 2’ Scares Off Poirot To Become Mother Superior Of Box Office With $14.5M Second Weekend – Update
'A Haunting in Venice' lost No. 1 at the box office to second weekend of Nun 2, $14.3M to $14.5M.
deadline.com
TP2000
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Disney lost $73 Million on their last Poirot flop, Death On The Nile.
Death on The Nile: $90 Production/$45 Marketing, $28 Domestic, $34 Foreign, $62 Box Office Take = $73 Million Loss
The good news is that 20th Century Studios slashed the budget on A Haunting In Venice down to $60 Million after their last Poirot flop, so they now have a better chance of breaking even. But if A Haunting In Venice does the same box office as Death On The Nile does, it will still lose $17 Million for Disney.
To break even, A Haunting In Venice needs to get to $180 Million at the global box office, give or take depending on the domestic/foreign ticket sales mix.
Death on The Nile: $90 Production/$45 Marketing, $28 Domestic, $34 Foreign, $62 Box Office Take = $73 Million Loss
The good news is that 20th Century Studios slashed the budget on A Haunting In Venice down to $60 Million after their last Poirot flop, so they now have a better chance of breaking even. But if A Haunting In Venice does the same box office as Death On The Nile does, it will still lose $17 Million for Disney.
To break even, A Haunting In Venice needs to get to $180 Million at the global box office, give or take depending on the domestic/foreign ticket sales mix.
Tha Realest
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I really like these films, but it seems I’m pretty alone in this regard.A Haunting In Venice is opening to an underwhelming whimper this weekend. (alliteration)
‘Nun 2’ Scares Off Poirot To Become Mother Superior Of Box Office With $14.5M Second Weekend – Update
'A Haunting in Venice' lost No. 1 at the box office to second weekend of Nun 2, $14.3M to $14.5M.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Reminder: they promised nothing.
Agreed…which is probably why they threw it out. Nobody cares if it’s built or cut
They promised nothing. Just a watercolor like the crap last year and other things from big shot Bobby for 10 years they had zero intention of doing.
I didn’t know “fairly well received” and “complete bomb/flop/disaster” were the same thing?
TP2000
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Weekend Box Office is in.
A Haunting In Venice was shunted into 2nd Place in its debut weekend, behind The Nun.
And there will be no Halloween bump for Haunted Mansion. It's down in 14th place in only 650 theaters, and was pulled from 175 theaters going into this weekend. We'll tally the total financial loss in Millions for Haunted Mansion later this month, once it disappears from theaters entirely.
www.thewrap.com
A Haunting In Venice was shunted into 2nd Place in its debut weekend, behind The Nun.
And there will be no Halloween bump for Haunted Mansion. It's down in 14th place in only 650 theaters, and was pulled from 175 theaters going into this weekend. We'll tally the total financial loss in Millions for Haunted Mansion later this month, once it disappears from theaters entirely.
'Nun II' Edges 'Haunting in Venice' as Box Office Slows Down
Overall grosses fell to the lowest mark since the Super Bowl. But there were box-office bright spots, including "Oppenheimer" setting a record.
www.thewrap.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So where we at on the losses?
Mermaid was $100 mil
Indy $300 mil
Elemental ended up break even or even a slight profit?
Mansion is $150ish?
Heck of a job
Mermaid was $100 mil
Indy $300 mil
Elemental ended up break even or even a slight profit?
Mansion is $150ish?
Heck of a job
TP2000
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Elemental didn't break even, and has lost them tens of Millions of dollars during its box office run.
If you assume they spent $100 Million on marketing, Elemental has lost $76 Million.
If you assume that they spent $75 Million on marketing (a more reasonable figure), Elemental has lost $51 Million.
If you assume that they spent only $50 Million on marketing (a ridiculously low figure), Elemental has lost $26 Million.
The optimistic take on those huge loss scenarios (I'm inclined to believe it was the $51 Million figure), is that is what it cost them to stop the sudden and rapid destruction of the Pixar brand by their boneheaded Direct To Disney+ strategy.
They have now stopped the decline, and hopefully can build on this money-losing yet apparently pleasant movie to restore the Pixar brand in the minds of consumers as a "Must See Movie" in a theater, instead of watching it "for free" in the family room.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
But remember: they’ll make tons of money on those movies when they sell them to Disney to put them on Disney+
So easy…no point in even paying attention to the cash anymore
SomePixieDust
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Sirwalterraleigh anytime someone says anything positive about Indiana Jones:
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…you reap what you sow.
I’ve been an Indy dude since day one.
But I think it’s a “you can’t go home again” phenomenon with Indy…not gross mismanagement.
But it’s time to stop.
Phroobar
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TP2000
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He's not wrong though. None of the vague Indy artwork they released at D23 (for the second year in a row releasing vague artwork) had any sort of timeline or announcement that it would ever actually start construction. It was puffery and filler material to make their already vague presentation a bit longer for the paying audience of D23 superfans.
And then there's this inconvenient truth; Indy 5 flopped very badly and lost Disney over $200 Million.
Indy 5: $300 Production/$100 Marketing, $83 Domestic, $105 Foreign, $188 Box Office Take = $212 Million Loss
And that's something to get worked up about.
Tha Realest
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In Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Indy‘s character arc showed he was eschewing fortune and glory.He's not wrong though. None of the vague Indy artwork they released at D23 (for the second year in a row releasing vague artwork) had any sort of timeline or announcement that it would ever actually start construction. It was puffery and filler material to make their already vague presentation a bit longer for the paying audience of D23 superfans.
And then there's this inconvenient truth; Indy 5 flopped very badly and lost Disney over $200 Million.
Indy 5: $300 Production/$100 Marketing, $83 Domestic, $105 Foreign, $188 Box Office Take = $212 Million Loss
And that's something to get worked up about.
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The popular and financial reaction to this film is in keeping with the character!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…but hey “we’ll received”He's not wrong though. None of the vague Indy artwork they released at D23 (for the second year in a row releasing vague artwork) had any sort of timeline or announcement that it would ever actually start construction. It was puffery and filler material to make their already vague presentation a bit longer for the paying audience of D23 superfans.
And then there's this inconvenient truth; Indy 5 flopped very badly and lost Disney over $200 Million.
Indy 5: $300 Production/$100 Marketing, $83 Domestic, $105 Foreign, $188 Box Office Take = $212 Million Loss
And that's something to get worked up about.
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…I’ll leave the stupidity of “blue sky concepts” out of this…lest you REALLY get me going.
But the truth often stings like bactine on a fresh cut.
Ghost93
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I never saw Murder on the Orient Express or Death on the Nile because they had mixed reviews and no one I know liked them, but I checked out A Haunting in Venice today because the ghost aspect intrigued me and I thought it was a solid whodunnit with spooky Halloween seasoning.
TP2000
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A Haunting In Venice might be able to "get legs" and break even. Too soon to know, according to industry media...
"A Haunting in Venice’s worldwide opening weekend has grossed an underwhelming $37 million; the numbers are discouraging, but the film shouldn’t be written off as a bomb just yet. The work of Agatha Christie’s Belgian Detective Hercule Poirot has been adapted for screen numerous times. However, director and star Kenneth Branagh has brought unprecedented budgets and star power to the stories."
screenrant.com
"A Haunting in Venice’s worldwide opening weekend has grossed an underwhelming $37 million; the numbers are discouraging, but the film shouldn’t be written off as a bomb just yet. The work of Agatha Christie’s Belgian Detective Hercule Poirot has been adapted for screen numerous times. However, director and star Kenneth Branagh has brought unprecedented budgets and star power to the stories."
Is A Haunting In Venice A Box Office Bomb? Examining The Poirot Movie's $37 Million Opening
Could this be Branagh's final Poirot movie?
screenrant.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I see haunted mansion is on D+ on 10/4…
Saw it on a Michael’s ad…since they had a tie in line that just came out…well placed ad/licensing bucks spent there
Saw it on a Michael’s ad…since they had a tie in line that just came out…well placed ad/licensing bucks spent there