It makes the Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning thing all the more interesting that it poped up a spot with a 14 percent increase this weekend above HM as MI comes to Paramount Plus in a week and a half.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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It makes the Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning thing all the more interesting that it poped up a spot with a 14 percent increase this weekend above HM as MI comes to Paramount Plus in a week and a half.
Japan is a very different country and an 11minimum form LAX and 14 or more hour flight from many parts of the US. They will be fine not having it play in theaters in the US while it makes a few million oveseas. It happens all of the time.
Disney Irish
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I would guess its going to remain until mid-September, around Sept 15th, which is when Haunting in Venice comes out.
That would still leave enough time to be put on D+ for Halloween.
Tha Realest
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I think it’s debatable Freeform still exists in 3-5 years
Disney Irish
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Distance doesn't matter in a global world with streaming access.
If it goes to D+ while being just released in a region like Japan you lose all box office in that region.
That is why I don't think it'll leave theaters in US until mid-September at the earliest. Then go to D+ by end of September, again at the earliest.
But again we'll see, maybe they push it to D+ next week. Only time will tell.
Disney Irish
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Debatable that many cable channels still exist in 3-5 years.
Until then its still a revenue source as advertisers still buy blocks from the channel, especially during 31 Nights of Halloween.
You are not aware then that Streaming is different per region. You can't watch many things in Japan on Disney Plus, that you can in the states and the other way around in most streaming services.
We had our own Disney Plus account on our Japan travels this summer. Many things were not available on streaming services for our kids there including Disney Plus.
So yes, Distance matters.
With the releases for the rest of August, I don't think you will find it by mid September playing many places anyway.
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Disney Irish
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My friend you are aware of this thing called a VPN that allows you to access content from all around the world on streaming services. So just because it may not be available in Japan D+ day one doesn't mean its not being viewed by Japanese D+ subscribers. Again leading to a suppressed box office.
Disney is very aware of this, trust me.
This is why Disney and other studios are trying to re-train the audience to not wait for movies to show up on D+ and other streaming services.
Again we'll see how it plays out.
You are digging yourself deeper here and straying from your point. Now we are going into modern bootlegging.
There would be no major issue stopping a studio with a movie from releasing in a country theatrically while one is streaming.
Happens all the time.
You would be surprised at how Hard Copy Japan still is. Tower Records, the works. Disney Plus in Japan is not a concern for Disney.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
If you think VPN access isn't an issue that streamers are worried about, well I got a bridge to sell you.....
Anyways as I said now numerous times, we'll see how it plays out. It could end up going deep into September as I think. Or it could be leaving by Labor Day as you think. We'll just have to wait and see.
For sure. And for the record separate from Disney Plus. I think defacto you just will have a hard time finding it playing anywhere the week after Labor Day.
BrianLo
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I’m sort of oversimplying but I think saying the same thing you are. The losses at D+ are not one small window of monetized use either. It was about attracting and addicting a large audience then collecting monthly subscription fees for decades to come. Theatrical I see what you mean is usually a small window of monetization, except the weird success the Disney animated back catalogue has of breaking that mold.
I’m trying to say I have no problem with Disney burning cash over five years to build a new resort nor do I think (retrospectively) their idea to burn cash to build their own steaming service from the ground up was a bad idea, either.
They got up to scale very, very quickly and Chapek sort of lost the plot in trying to be bigger than Netflix as the end goal.
Robbiem
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Can someone please explain how a movie’s profit on streaming works? Do the studios assign a value to each view or something?
I guess for me the other issue with streaming is how you separate out people keeping the subscription because of the movie vs watching it because they have paid for something else and it’s available. In the old days of physical home media you picked your VHS, DVD etc but now you are more likely to watch something because it pops up so its more like TV
I know for example I have no real interest in Marvel movies but when I subscribe to Disney plus to watch Ashoka I might watch some because they are there if I’ve not seen them. If I didn’t have the sub already I wouldn’t bother unless they were on TV. If you counted me as a profit driver your really just making up profits but I can’t see how you can break it down to a level where you know if people have paid for your service because of the movie or watch the movie because its on the service
I guess for me the other issue with streaming is how you separate out people keeping the subscription because of the movie vs watching it because they have paid for something else and it’s available. In the old days of physical home media you picked your VHS, DVD etc but now you are more likely to watch something because it pops up so its more like TV
I know for example I have no real interest in Marvel movies but when I subscribe to Disney plus to watch Ashoka I might watch some because they are there if I’ve not seen them. If I didn’t have the sub already I wouldn’t bother unless they were on TV. If you counted me as a profit driver your really just making up profits but I can’t see how you can break it down to a level where you know if people have paid for your service because of the movie or watch the movie because its on the service
Disney Irish
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BTW, for those keeping track MI:7 box office numbers for this weekend were revised down. So there was no 14% increase on Friday, it was actually a 33.7% drop week-over-week on Friday. Meaning that HM is still beating it daily since HM opened, not that its really all that comparable beyond that.
This is why trying to compare one movie to another week-over-week is silly because the numbers get revised constantly.
This is why trying to compare one movie to another week-over-week is silly because the numbers get revised constantly.
TP2000
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Box Office data is now out for this weekend. A few key takeaways I see here...
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www.the-numbers.com
- Sound of Freedom that Disney refused to release just passed Indy 5 at the domestic box office, and passed Elemental weeks ago.
- Haunted Mansion sinking fast domestically. The overseas numbers won't be in until Tuesday, but... oof.
- Barbie is still #1, as she reigns supreme over the entire summer. If not year.
Weekend projections: it’s another Barbenheimer weekend at the box office - The Numbers
The Barb-enheimer phenomenon continues unabated in theaters this weekend, with the two hits earning over $50 million between them, led by Barbie’s
www.the-numbers.com
Tha Realest
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Not as silly as believing films like Haunted Mansion will become a beloved cult classic.
Disney Irish
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I don't recall anyone ever using the term "beloved" or even a "cult classic". Just that its easy to see how it could become a staple during Halloween.
BrianLo
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It’s not known really, but it's not a pay per view model. This is kind of one of the whole sticking point of the strikes. The service licenses the content from the studios and pays a flat fee much as would have occurred with Netflix pre-D+. Theatrically driven movies are easy. They are content tested with audiences already at the box office. Their rough values are easier to determine. Direct to streaming is also easy. The service is merely buying the product outright from the studio and paying the costs for it. Whatever marketing it would require comes out of D+ budgets. Though direct to stream content, if that flops on the service, they have now demonstrated the willingness to write it off for a tax break by removing it. That write off occurs on the D+ side - technically.
So for example we know D+ paid a bit more for DS: MoM > Wakanda Forever > Thor Ragnarok and it paid a paltry amount to Strange World. This tracks with box office and the general expected reception.
While the formula is 'not known' and likely never will be, there are residuals that need to be paid out. This eventually lets the trades figure it out after the fact. It also puts Disney+ in a position of relative honesty. They cannot underpay for the content or the talent sues them for suppressing the contents earning. They are not going to overpay for the content either, or they really achieve nothing but paying out higher residuals. The content is all internal otherwise, technically under the broader umbrella.
What they do however do IS pay for the content. Disney+ is spending 4 billion a quarter currently on content that ensures most of it is paid for. If Secret Wars is disappointing, it technically comes out in the wash for D+. The studios recoup all their money regardless for the budget.
If a non-D+ Studio theatrical film severely underperforms in the box office AND therefore receives a small licensing fee, the Studio reports that loss. On the flip side if a movie over-indexes like Encanto on the streaming service, the studio probably doesn't see a huge increase in payout. D+ in the wash licensed out something and overall in the wash 'gained' on their platforms perception.
I don't know at what point movies stop being paid for, if ever. Presumably the content the service 'bought' as direct to streaming it just owns. But what about really old studio content. For example does D+ pay to license Snow White as part of their content budget.
So you are saying Bolt is a bigger hit than Princess and the Frog????
Animaniac93-98
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At both the domestic and foreign box office, Bolt made more money than PatF.
PatF however has no doubt sold more merch and DVDs/Blu-rays than the former since.