Hawkeye_2018
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people at least went out and saw Indy. So few people have went to HM it's almost like it never came out. A year from now someone will suggest Disney remake HM completely forgetting about this dud
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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I still think Flash might beat both of those…but since people have Disney flop blinders on
TP2000
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What's most glaring so far is the absolute box office silence its getting overseas.
In the past week in South Korea it's only made $72,000, or about the price of a well-optioned Hyundai SUV. South Korea sells us over $100 Billion in cars and refrigerators and TV sets a year, and we send them Haunted Mansion.
The entire overseas box office for it after its first week is just under $9 Million.
TP2000
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Well, the thread is about Disney at the Box Office, but we can certainly add Warner's The Flash in as a comparison if you'd like...
Indy 5: $300 Production, $100 Marketing, Global Box Office $358, Box Office Take $177 = $233 Million Loss
Haunted Mansion: $157 Production, $75 Marketing, Global Box Office $42, Box Office Take $24 = $232 Million Loss
The Flash: $200 Production, $100 Marketing, Global Box Office $268, Box Office Take $129 = $171 Million Loss
The big losses for The Flash are also counted in the 2023 tally of profits or losses that gets us this company data as of August 3rd...
Warner Bros., 7 movies: Production $475, Marketing $238, Global Box Office $1,488, Box Office Take $744 = $31 Million Profit
Disney, 7 movies: Production $1,392, Marketing $696, Global Box Office $2,736, Box Office Take $1,368 = $720 Million Loss
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None of us are angry…most of us liked Barbie(if not all)we are just pointing out the hypocrisy. However you are clearly showing your anti-Disney bias here and on bordering on trolling… we are all aware of what Disney Movies have done… we are just confuse on your stance on Disney films as oppose to Barbie… it is like you feel the need to retaliate and point out Disney box office stats… you are actually the one coming off angry
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TP2000
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The box office data is updated daily, and Disney has released four big movies in rapid succession in the last two months, so at least every few days there's a reason to update the box office data for this thread titled Disney At The Box Office.
If the data is upsetting to you (as it should be for any Disney fan concerned for the company's financial condition), it's likely because Disney's box office data is so abysmally bad lately. Hence, this very popular thread.
Oh, well, I'm not. I got to see Barbie last week which was hysterical, it's a beautiful summer day in SoCal, and now I'm humming The French Mistake as I make my barbecue grocery list for the weekend.
And how can anyone be angry humming a zippy tune like The French Mistake?
You think he is just pretending for street creds?
BuddyThomas
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What are you possibly talking about??????? Barbie is a great movie. No one here is freaking "angry" that America loves it. You are making things up. What you refuse to accept is that Barbie is completely and totally woke in a fantastic way that I absolutely love. But it is woke all the same. Sorry that you refuse to acknowledge that fact and instead try to put words in others' mouths.
TP2000
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I couldn't agree more.
I was responding to @Casper Gutman who seems disappointed that I love Barbie and refuse to boycott it because Ben Shapiro told me to.
Or something, I'm still not really sure how that logic trail goes.
If "woke" means acknowledging that women can and should be judges and doctors and airline pilots and construction workers, then call me woke and slap my backside while you do it, please.
But can you not also see that the most liberal character in the movie, Sasha, had a total 180 journey through the movie? She started as a bitter young mean girl wearing all black and spouting out slogans about "patriarchy" and "capitalism" and ended up as a warm and loving daughter who began her journey into young womanhood with a much healthier and kinder attitude than she had when we first met her in the cafeteria.
Sasha was obviously a caricature of today's dour young wokesters, of course. Just as Mattel executives were caricatures of themselves, and the Santa Monica city construction workers were caricatures of catcalling construction workers. (Can you imagine how fast they'd be canned by the City of Santa Monica if city employees actually tried that in 2023?)
Barbie has messages for both sides of 2023 disputes, and those caught in the middle like many of us here. It is a message of healing and love and laughter. And I'm reminded that the only song I really missed in the movie was "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass. They used that temporarily forgotten but fabulous song in the marketing, but I didn't hear it in the actual movie? Or if it was, I was so engrossed in the screen that I didn't pick it out.
Truly this is the message of Barbie. Make YOUR OWN kind of music, sing YOUR OWN special song.
EDIT: Is there anything cooler than Sammy Davis Jr. hosting the Hollywood Palace in an open silk shirt, giant gold necklace, with a fresh cigarette? I can't think of anything cooler than that. And I suggest none of us even try it, because we'd fail compared to Sammy.
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LittleBuford
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Not really. I’m as baffled by the current state of the box office as everyone else.
TP2000
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Baffling is certainly one word for it. A few other words also come to mind that this site won't let me use.
Casper Gutman
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I couldn't agree more.
I was responding to @Casper Gutman who seems disappointed that I love Barbie and refuse to boycott it because Ben Shapiro told me to.
Or something, I'm still not really sure how that logic trail goes.
If "woke" means acknowledging that women can and should be judges and doctors and airline pilots and construction workers, then call me woke and slap my backside while you do it, please.
But can you not also see that the very liberal characters in the movie, notably Sasha, had a total 180 journey through the movie? She started as a bitter young mean girl wearing all black and spouting out slogans about "patriarchy" and "capitalism" and ended up as a warm and loving daughter who began her journey into young womanhood with a much healthier and kinder attitude than she had when we first met her in the cafeteria.
Barbie has messages for both sides of 2023 disputes, and those caught in the middle like many of us here. It is a message of healing and love and laughter. And I'm reminded that the only song I really missed in the movie was "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass. They used that temporarily forgotten but fabulous song in the marketing, but I didn't hear it in the actual movie? Or if it was, I was so engrossed in the screen that I didn't pick it out.
Truly this is the message of Barbie. Make YOUR OWN kind of music, sing YOUR OWN special song.
I have no problem at all with Barbie (beyond, perhaps, wishing D&D had enjoyed a modicum of its success). I’ll admit to being annoyed by your transparently bad faith. In the past you have claimed the presence of any LGB character in a G or PG movie, no matter how unobtrusive, is inappropriate and “woke.” You are now offering a tortured reading of a film that almost every commentator, left and right, admits is loudly, bluntly progressive. Your single consistent position is to attack anything Disney does, regardless of how disingenuous that forces you to be, and the motive behind these attacks is political.
I’ll ask you again, as I have earlier in this thread - could you clarify exactly how Disneys recent output, particularly TLM, is more woke then Barbie?
Willmark
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“We are the heroes of our own story.”
TP2000
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There was no LGBT character in the movie Barbie. That was actually a surprise, as in the commercials it looked like the kid we now know as Alan was supposed to be gay. But he wasn't. There was no sexuality at all in Barbie, really. Which now makes so much sense because Barbie and Ken don't even know why they're supposed to stay over at the Dream House together, even if Ken has "all the genitals".
But there was not a single LGBT reference or character in Barbie. And it was rated PG-13. So, even if Alan had been explained as being gay in the movie, which he wasn't.... what's the problem? I don't see one.
I don't know that I've ever voiced a concern about TLM being "woke". It's certainly been a box office disappointment, but I didn't see it and haven't weighed in on the movie itself, aside from its financial performance.
That said, I have an opinion on changing the race of Ariel to anyone other than a northern European white girl. Which is that it's borderline offensive to do so, just as it would be offensive to get a swarthy Brazillian actor to play a Chinese warrior, or get a blue eyed Norwegian guy to play an Egyptian phoaroh. I say that as a Scandinavian-American who knows from my childhood that Hans Christian Andersen is one of the most famous writers to come out of Scandinavia, and his story The Little Mermaid is an important one in that culture. But that's just me and my childhood memories of my grandma reading us Hans Christian Andersen, it's a bit jarring for an old Swede like myself.
But if Disney could have made a lot of money on that new version of Ariel where anyone can be any race based on a traditional Danish fairy tale, then that would have been great. I loved that multi-racial version of Cinderella they did for TV in the 90's, so sometimes that kind of "re-imagining of an old classic" stuff can work brilliantly.
The reality is that Disney failed to make any money on this latest version of The Little Mermaid. The overseas box office in particular was atrocious for it, although its American box office was modestly successful.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I don’t know what the hell that one means?
BrianLo
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Ironically he already explained it. He hadn't seen those films or was so indoctrinated before seeing them half a year later it wasn't a position to back away from. I don't think the poster realizes why we're all throwing 2 years worth of his talking points back in his face, which I apologize to a couple other new joiners who I think are missing the broader hypocrisy point a few of you are making.
The truth is they are all relatively innocuous films in terms of messaging unless one is 100 years old. If you've seen them of course... I think what maybe fortuitously we've come to realize is most posters are actually more progressive than they want to portray. They are just inherently anti-Disney. Not in a do better way, but in a I so vehemently hate the company I'm rooting for an original Pixar animated film, that is good, secretly to fail way. Because I want Pixar to close and I want WDAS to make Illumination 'quality' films. It's toxic anti-fandom bordering on just trolling. With a gross veneer of culture war underpinnings.
Or the more accurate stance is generationally Feminism > Minorities > LGB > Trans; feminism just isn't too preachy for the boomers I guess and they missed the trans character. So there's that.
I still don't know how these pearl clutchers come to terms with the Making of Me at Epcot. Why did no one think of the children?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I enjoyed it some because it is based in parks and with the iconic ride.Mansion projected to have a terrible 60% drop this weekend, down to potentially single digits in its second weekend.
2023 Domestic Box Office Surges Past $6 Billion This Weekend Due To ‘Barbie’, ‘Oppenheimer’, ‘Turtles’ & ‘Meg 2’ As Strikes Continue – Sunday Update
The spoils of July are spilling over into August as Warner Bros.' Barbie jetted across the four-century mark at the domestic box office in day 14. 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' Eyes Second With $30M 3-day, $45M 5-day.deadline.com
But it’s not a good movie at all and would fall flat with non-park sycophants
Full stop
LittleBuford
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There was a trans Barbie.