Sirwalterraleigh
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So interested to see how Supe Does? Buzz is good and unlike some recent stinkers…the general audience WANTS to like Superman…the benefit of mainstream heroes/ characters
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Disney Irish
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The issue with this is that the article doesn't lay out the questions asked. So while the article presents it as Gunn is just stating this stuff without prompting, that is likely not the case. There is a question that was asked that prompted his answer, that is how interviews work.
Also Superman has ALWAYS been an immigrant, that isn't a new take. He wasn't born here, he is literally an alien in the truest sense of the word and immigrated here as an literal refuge. It is woven into the DNA of the character since day one.
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Disney Irish
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Well on that, Gunn is already tempering expectations on what defines "success" for this movie, saying that it doesn't need to hit $700M to be successful.
Box Office: James Gunn Says It’s “Nonsense” That ‘Superman’ Needs to Make $700 Million to Be Successful
The David Corenswet-led superhero pic opens around the globe later this week.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Tha Realest
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It’s not incorrect necessarily to say that Superman is an “immigrant,” but that is a more contemporary spin on his origin story. Most view his story as more of an allegory of Jewish immigration, particularly the 1930’s.I'm baffled by this controversy, to be honest. It should be noted I'm not a comic book fan, and in my youth I only read Mad Magazine and occasionally Archie comic books. I never got into Superheroes or the whole comic book scene. Instead, as a 12 year old boy, I have distinct memories of reading and laughing at the one panel comics in my mom's subscription to The New Yorker, which is weird.
That said, I did see the original 1978 Superman in the theater and have seen it again once or twice at home, and have vague memories of seeing one of the sequels decades ago. But... Superman is now an immigrant??? When did that happen?
I thought Superman was an alien from the planet Krypton, and was not human but coincidentally looked human and even more coincidentally was very handsome with chiseled features and piercing blue eyes.And his parents on Krypton shot him into space before his planet was destroyed to save him, and after his space cradle crash landed in a Kansas corn field, he was taken in by a married couple who couldn't have their own children and was raised as an average American child in small town Kansas who just happened to have superpowers owing to him actually being Kryptonian rather than human.
Right? What am I missing there?
In this new Superman movie about to come out, is that no longer the story? He's now a human, and an immigrant from another country who sneaks into the US illegally and is found out, despite his superpowers? They changed his backstory???
Disney Irish
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Since when did the word immigrant mean solely a person of this planet?
The definition from Websters -
Both can apply to Superman -
He is a person (person doesn't have to mean of this planet) that took up permanent residence in the US after having migrated from another planet as a refuge.
He is also considered an animal in the truest sense, just as we all are, that is coming to an area where he was previously unknown.
So by all definitions Superman is an immigrant and has been since Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, two sons of Jewish immigrants, created him 87 years ago in 1938 in Action Comics #1. As I mentioned before, its part of the DNA of the character that has always been there.
Tha Realest
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What I particularly hated about that version* is that the whole point was that the germs native to earth defeated the aliens. If they were here the whole time, I felt that undercuts the point of the film.
*It has some good sequences. The first act is great. I hate the washed out cinematography Spielberg did with all those films starting in the early 2000’s.
Animaniac93-98
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What percentage of their final gross recent MCU movies made domestically in their opening weekends:
Ant Man 3: 49.5 %
GotG Volume 3: 32.8%
The Marvels: 54.7%
Deadpool 3: 33%
Captain America 4: 44%
Thunderbolts: 39%
If Fantastic Four opens to $125 million, that would be similar to GotG 3 ($118 million)
A good hold would have it finish close to or just above $400 million
If front loaded, it could fall short of $300 million
Ant Man 3: 49.5 %
GotG Volume 3: 32.8%
The Marvels: 54.7%
Deadpool 3: 33%
Captain America 4: 44%
Thunderbolts: 39%
If Fantastic Four opens to $125 million, that would be similar to GotG 3 ($118 million)
A good hold would have it finish close to or just above $400 million
If front loaded, it could fall short of $300 million
Animaniac93-98
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Still feeling somewhat confident that Stitch remains the #1 movie of the Summer
Not convinced yet F4 could get to something like $420 million, and very curious to see if it and Superman ultimately eat into each other's business being released so close together.
Not convinced yet F4 could get to something like $420 million, and very curious to see if it and Superman ultimately eat into each other's business being released so close together.
doctornick
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So... an immigrant? (Honestly not sure what you are trying to say here; were Jewish immigrants not immigrants?)
Superman has always had as one of his subtexts being the "immigrant coming to American" - working hard to fit in and being a good person, contributing to society, embodying the "American exceptionalism" concepts of rugged individualism while helping the community, etc. He's basically a model of what the country romanticized with all the folks coming via Ellis Island. I don't see the take as particularly surprising or controversial.
Tha Realest
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No. The character was uniquely drawn from a variety aspects of Jewish culture.
Is Superman Jewish? Here’s why it matters
Editor's Note: In an exciting development since this article was originally published, Jewish actor David Corenswet will play the role of Clark Kent in
unpacked.media
You can go ahead and diminish his Jewish roots; that’s your call. Not sure why you want to minimize that. Again, I get why people want to expand this more broadly to to more contemporary issues, but what European Jews faced in the 1930’s is markedly different than how the term “immigrant” is being deployed here.
BlakeW39
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Yes.
To expound on that... I think we've kind of gone past exploring political themes and gone into the territory of beating the
out of a dead horse. Like none of these blockbusters (or at least very few of them) really have anything new to say. They just drone on about the most milquetoast left-wing opinions you could possibly imagine. With the subtlety of a hammer. They're not even takes I disagree with. But I have heard them. Ad nauseum. Already.
Tony the Tigger
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aka real life.
doctornick
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No. The character was uniquely drawn from a variety aspects of Jewish culture.
Is Superman Jewish? Here’s why it matters
Editor's Note: In an exciting development since this article was originally published, Jewish actor David Corenswet will play the role of Clark Kent in
You can go ahead and diminish his Jewish roots; that’s your call. Not sure why you want to minimize that. Again, I get why people want to expand this more broadly to to more contemporary issues, but what European Jews faced in the 1930’s is markedly different than how the term “immigrant” is being deployed here.
I'm not trying to diminish it; I'm sure the creators drew upon their heritage to inform the character. I have known some of the stuff (like the use of "El" in his name) coming from Jewish roots but never thought about him strongly in that manner unlike (say) Ben Grimm whose Jewishness is a defining quality.
I guess my point would only be that his story has always struck me as a very clear "immigrant coming to America and doing good for himself" - which could be applicable to tons of different ethnic groups from the era of his creation. And saying that his tale is an "immigrant story" is so obvious that its laughable that pointing it out would be remotely controversial. I mean, the character was born somewhere else, came to America, was adopted by American parents and raised in that "culture" and is literally said to represent "Truth, Justice and the American Way". He's like the archetype of what people say when waxing poetic about the Great American Melting Pot.
BrianLo
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Superman is funny because he is an immigrant, but it’s more of an adoption story.
He’s a space alien, but he’s also not a US national alien.
He also illegally immigrated to the US; but is legalized.
So all and none of the above. But an exercise in too much word parsing of an interview, definitely.
He’s a space alien, but he’s also not a US national alien.
He also illegally immigrated to the US; but is legalized.
So all and none of the above. But an exercise in too much word parsing of an interview, definitely.
TP2000
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Slight correction.
I was the one who said 2023's Barbie didn't have feminist messaging that had already been mainstream since 1975.
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doctornick
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"Heavy"? How? It's actually quite straightforward and superficial. I wouldn't consider it any more "heavy" than something like this:
Nevermore525
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And now we get a re-imagining of Night at the Museum from 20th Century Studios:
deadline.com
21 Laps Enlists Tripper Clancy To Pen ‘Night At The Museum’ Reimagining For 20th Century Studios
A new 'Night at the Museum' movie from writer Tripper Clancy, 21 Laps, and 20th Century Studios is in the works, Deadline has learned exclusively.
deadline.com
Disney Irish
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When almost everyone here is universally telling you that Superman is and has been since the beginning an immigrant story and isn't a new take of the "kids today", maybe just maybe your view of the character through lens of only the 1978 Christopher Reeve's movie isn't as informed as you think it is.Thank you. Maybe I'm just not using enough substances to open my mind to extremely wide interpretations of the English word "immigrant". I only had one glass of wine with dinner tonight.
I've seen the movie. Superman got put into a space cradle as a baby by his parents on the dying planet Krypton and got blasted into space just before his planet met its tragic end. He crash landed in Kansas, and was adopted by a lovely couple who wanted children but couldn't conceive. So they took him in and loved him and raised him beautifully. Then he also had superpowers, cause of the Krypton thing and all. Then he went on super adventures and flirted with Lois Lane and wore a cool suit with a cape and saved people and fixed stuff. The end.
I'm not getting "he's an immigrant" out of that, so much as I'm getting "he's an alien who coincidentally looks like a hunky human who also has superpowers and then exciting, cool stuff happens".
But if the kids today think that story of Superman is analogous to my great uncle Lars arriving at Ellis Island 115 years ago without any superpowers to speak of, then go with that if it will sell more movie tickets. Box Office!
Its as much as an adoption story as it is an immigrant story. Also just to educate you a bit more on the character, he gets his powers from our sun due to the type of star it is, a yellow dwarf to be exact. If he was still on Krypton, which has a different type of star for a sun a red dwarf to be exact, he wouldn't have powers, he'd be a normal man.