Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
So if you're really going to do this comparison you best get all the data points so it can be seen what all studios are going through, not just Disney vs some cherry picked movies.
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For the past few dozen pages of this discussion, we've mainly been talking about "Summer Tentpoles" from Disney and others.

I technically can go down into the weeds by tracking all these minor movies like Asteroid City and Theater Camp and whatever the hell Nights of the Zodiac was, but as much as I love you all here... to do that someone will need to set up a new August bar tab for me at The Marine Room.

Until then, would it be fair if we just kept this box office discussion to Summer Tentpoles for now?

After Labor Day we can move on to Thanksgiving/Christmas Tentpoles. Next up... The Marvels and Wish.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TP2000 said:
For the past few dozen pages of this discussion, we've mainly been talking about "Summer Tentpoles" from Disney and others.

I technically can go down into the weeds by tracking all these minor movies like Asteroid City and Theater Camp and whatever the hell Nights of the Zodiac was, but as much as I love you all here... to do that someone will need to set up a new August bar tab for me at The Marine Room.

Until then, would it be fair if we just kept this box office discussion to Summer Tentpoles for now?

After Labor Day we can move on to Thanksgiving/Christmas Tentpoles. Next up... The Marvels and Wish.
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The point is when you take all those "minor" movies as you call them and add in their loses, which the examples provided show its not pennies here, its not as rosy of a picture for these other studios as you're trying to making it.

This is why the whole conversation has been this is an industry wide problem. And while Disney is having a tougher time this year than the other studios, all studios are going through it.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
The point is when you take all those "minor" movies as you call them and add in their loses, which the examples provided show its not pennies here, its not as rosy of a picture for these other studios as you're trying to making it.

This is why the whole conversation has been this is an industry wide problem. And while Disney is having a tougher time this year than the other studios, all studios are going through it.
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I will take on the task of tallying up all the profits and losses from minor movies this summer, but a bar tab refresh at The Marine Room just has to be part of that scenario. Something tells me you aren't going to get huge hundred million dollar losses out of all the small films added together, as some of them have been extremely successful, but it's worth a look.

We can even wait until tomorrow for the bar tab reset, as I'm headed down there tonight with several old friends for High Tide Dinner.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
TP2000 said:
I will take on the task of tallying up all the profits and losses from minor movies this summer, but a bar tab refresh at The Marine Room just has to be part of that scenario. Something tells me you aren't going to get huge hundred million dollar losses out of all the small films added together, as some of them have been extremely successful, but it's worth a look.

We can even wait until tomorrow for the bar tab reset, as I'm headed down there tonight with several old friends for the High Tide Dinner.
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It'll be interesting to see, I think you're going to be surprised when you add them all up. Like the examples I gave for Sony's three movies, it'll up ~$80M-$100M loss.

And since you're adding in Mario into the summer tally, you'll need to go back to the releases from the beginning of April as that is when Mario was released. So got to make it a fair comparison.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Disney Irish said:
Some form of piracy will always be there, as I said a cat and mouse game. Just in my opinion it won't become this huge issue that you're prophesying to happen upon rising costs. I also suspect studios will try to find a way to lock content down as much as possible if it become a larger issue.

But we'll see....
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I assume you haven't played with this hands on. Play around online with topics like 'popcorn times' etc and see just how integrated things are these days. It's a utopia really compared to the old days of downloading content.

If paid content increases their friction and burden... people will seek alternatives.
 
BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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Disney Analyst said:
Just got out of Barbie at a packed Tuesday night showing.

Great movie. Although not as funny as I thought it would be.

Great message. Great writing. Good fun.
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I saw it again last night. Another sold out audience. I have never been in so many sold out movies prior to this summer: Oppenheimer, Barbie (both times), The Little Mermaid, Dungeons & Dragons, Insidious Red Door (one of the most horrible movies in recent years). Even the early screening of Haunted Mansion was sold out, but that was before most of the terrible reviews came out.

As for Barbie, I liked it even more the second time but that may have to do with the fact that the audience the first time I saw it was not very well behaved. Lots of bright distracting phones out, etc.

I’m convinced that Ryan Gosling is getting a Best Supporting Actor nomination. It’s also getting Production Design, Costumes, Hair & Makeup, at the very least. Many possible song nominations to choose from: I’m Just Ken (worth the price of admission), Dance the Night, Billie Eilish’s gorgeous What Was I Made For, and/or Lizzo’s song that starts the film, Pink.

I was only slightly surprised to read in Variety that they are predicting Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress for Margot Robbie, and possibly a supporting Actress nom for America Ferrera for her long monologue that anchors the entire movie. Other trade papers are predicting the same. So Barbenheimer may be battling it out for the awards next March. In the meantime, please enjoy:

Pink



Dance the Night



I’m Just Ken



What Was I Made For

 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
flynnibus said:
I assume you haven't played with this hands on. Play around online with topics like 'popcorn times' etc and see just how integrated things are these days. It's a utopia really compared to the old days of downloading content.

If paid content increases their friction and burden... people will seek alternatives.
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I've played around with Popcorn Time on a jailbroken Firestick, so I'm aware of it. I'm not a big torrent user anymore like I was back in the day with music. I have friends that do it specifically for sporting events. And a few for movies because I won't share my passwords.... 🤣
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
It'll be interesting to see, I think you're going to be surprised when you add them all up. Like the examples I gave for Sony's three movies, it'll up ~$80M-$100M loss.

And since you're adding in Mario into the summer tally, you'll need to go back to the releases from the beginning of April as that is when Mario was released. So got to make it a fair comparison.
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I set a goal for myself that I could do this calculating before I need to start getting spruced up for High Tide Dinner with some very gossipy old friends who would've blown the bar tab at The Marine Room you now owe me sky high. 🍸🍸🍸

If you include every new movie released by the Big 5 Hollywood studios since January 1st, 2023, you get the following profit/loss tally for them as of August 1st box office data.

Universal, 8 movies: Production $743, Marketing $372, Global Box Office $2,898, Box Office Take $1,449 = $334 Million Profit
Sony, 11 movies: Production $382, Marketing $191, Global Box Office $1,465, Box Office Take $697 = $169 Million Profit
Warner's, 7 movies: Production $475, Marketing $238, Global Box Office $1,468, Box Office Take = $21 Million Profit
Paramount, 5 movies: Production $698, Marketing $349, Global Box Office $1,525, Box Office Take $762 = $285 Million Loss
Disney, 7 movies: Production $1,392, Marketing $696, Global Box Office $2,734, Box Office Take $1,367 = $721 Million Loss

Even when you include every movie released from these studios, Disney is still far and away the biggest money loser of calendar year 2023, to the tune of $652 Million so far. To be fair, Haunted Mansion is a massive flop, but should get that huge Disney loss closer to only $650 Million by the end of September. 🫤

Universal's 8 new movies in 2023 so far are: Super Mario Bros., Oppenheimer, Fast X, M3GAN, Cocaine Bear, Knock at the Cabin, Renfield, Ruby Gilman Teenage Kraken

Sony's 11 new movies in 2023 so far are: Spider-Verse, Insidious, No Hard Feelings, Missing, 65, The Pope's Excorcist, The Machine, Suzume, Love Again, Big George Forman, Knights of the Zodiac

Warner Bros. 7 new movies in 2023 so far are: Barbie, The Flash, Evil Dead Rise, Shazam, Magic Mike's Last Dance, House Party, Mummies.

Paramount's 5 new movies in 2023 so far are: Transformers, Mission:Impossible, Scream 6, Dungeons & Dragons, 80 for Brady

Disney's 7 new movies in 2023 so far are: The Boogeyman, Ant Man, Guardians 3, Little Mermaid, Elemental, Indy 5, Haunted Mansion

And with that, it's time to "get all spruced up" as Auntie Mame says. The tide is rising higher by the minute, and those old Marine Room windows may not hold this time (You just know it will happen one day). I live for high adventure, after all.

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Distributors Movie Breakdown for 2023

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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
TP2000 said:
I set a goal for myself that I could do this before I need to start getting spruced up for High Tide Dinner with some very gossipy old friends who would've blown the bar tab at The Marine Room you now owe me sky high. 🍸🍸🍸

If you include every new movie released by the Big 5 Hollywood studios since January 1st, 2023, you get the following profit/loss tally for them as of August 1st box office data.

Universal, 8 movies: Production $743, Marketing $372, Global Box Office $2,898, Box Office Take $1,449 = $334 Million Profit
Sony, 11 movies: Production $382, Marketing $191, Global Box Office $1,465, Box Office Take $697 = $169 Million Profit
Warner's, 7 movies: Production $475, Marketing $238, Global Box Office $1,468, Box Office Take = $21 Million Profit
Paramount, 5 movies: Production $698, Marketing $349, Global Box Office $1,525, Box Office Take $762 = $285 Million Loss
Disney, 6 movies: Production $1,192, Marketing $596, Global Box Office $2,272, Box Office Take $1,136 = $652 Million Loss

Even when you include every movie released from these studios, Disney is still far and away the biggest money loser of calendar year 2023, to the tune of $652 Million so far. To be fair, Haunted Mansion is a massive flop, but should get that huge Disney loss closer to only $600 Million by the end of September. 🫤

Universal's 8 new movies in 2023 so far are: Super Mario Bros., Oppenheimer, Fast X, M3GAN, Cocaine Bear, Knock at the Cabin, Renfield, Ruby Gilman Teenage Kraken

Sony's 11 new movies in 2023 so far are: Spider-Verse, Insidious, No Hard Feelings, Missing, 65, The Pope's Excorcist, The Machine, Suzume, Love Again, Big George Forman, Knights of the Zodiac

Warner Bros. 7 new movies in 2023 so far are: Barbie, The Flash, Evil Dead Rise, Shazam, Magic Mike's Last Dance, House Party, Mummies.

Paramount's 5 new movies in 2023 so far are: Transformers, Mission:Impossible, Scream 6, Dungeons & Dragons, 80 for Brady

Disney's 6 new movies in 2023 so far are: The Boogeyman, Guardians 3, Little Mermaid, Elemental, Indy 5, Haunted Mansion

And with that, it's time to "get all spruced up" as Auntie Mame says. The tide is rising higher by the minute, and those old Marine Room windows may not hold this time (You just know it will happen one day). I live for high adventure, after all.

Marine-Room-header.jpg


www.the-numbers.com

Distributors Movie Breakdown for 2023

Distributors Movie Breakdown for 2023
www.the-numbers.com www.the-numbers.com
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This wasn't to show that Disney is somehow doing better. What it shows is that all the studios are having issues with box office performance. For example even with Barbie's huge success its only pushed WBD barely into profitability at the box office.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
This wasn't to show that Disney is somehow doing better. What it shows is that all the studios are having issues with box office performance. For example even with Barbie's huge success its only pushed WBD barely into profitability at the box office.
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So, wait... when I ask John the bartender at the Marine Room to put it on your tab, you're telling me that John will not have received a phone call and Amex # from you??? :devilish:
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
TP2000 said:
So, wait... when I ask John the bartender at the Marine Room to put it on your tab, you're telling me that John will not have received a phone call and Amex # from you??? :devilish:
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I never asked you to do this before you went out for drinks, you set that goal for yourself....

But hey have a Manhattan for me. :cool: 🎉🥳
 
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DKampy

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BuddyThomas said:
I saw it again last night. Another sold out audience. I have never been in so many sold out movies prior to this summer: Oppenheimer, Barbie (both times), The Little Mermaid, Dungeons & Dragons, Insidious Red Door (one of the most horrible movies in recent years). Even the early screening of Haunted Mansion was sold out, but that was before most of the terrible reviews came out.

As for Barbie, I liked it even more the second time but that may have to do with the fact that the audience the first time I saw it was not very well behaved. Lots of bright distracting phones out, etc.

I’m convinced that Ryan Gosling is getting a Best Supporting Actor nomination. It’s also getting Production Design, Costumes, Hair & Makeup, at the very least. Many possible song nominations to choose from: I’m Just Ken (worth the price of admission), Dance the Night, Billie Eilish’s gorgeous What Was I Made For, and/or Lizzo’s song that starts the fi
I was only slightly surprised to read in Variety that they are predicting Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress for Margot Robbie, and possibly a supporting Actress nom for America Ferrera for her long monologue that anchors the entire movie. Other trade papers are predicting the same. So Barbenheimer may be battling it out for the awards next March. In the meantime, please enjoy:

Pink



Dance the Night



I’m Just Ken



What Was I Made For

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I have been predicting since I first saw the movie that it was going to be Billie Eilish and Ryan Gosling competing for best song….How great would it be to have Ryan Gosling perform “ I’m Just Ken” at the Oscars
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Just saw haunted mansion

I totally see why it’s not making alot. That being said…it’s good for Disney parks fans. But would make zero sense to anyone else on earth. Not terrible…but far too niche
 

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