There is a push to cut and eventually remove EMH.
They're still trying to figure out how to do it.
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They're still trying to figure out how to do it.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
Magic Kingdom with zero wait times? Sounds premium to me. Regardless of how you want to label it, if someone finds value in it and is willing/able to pay for it, why are people so judgmental?
So basically paying top dollar to feel like the park wasduring "off season" in 2002 (when it was MUCH cheaper to visit). Yeah, that makes sense
So you don't see your comment as belittling people for going? Never said you called them names. You haven't.
raven
Well-Known Member
Wait, so if you wouldn't pay either it's ok for you to make a post on this thread but I can't?And that's one of the many things we disagree on. I don't believe that it was a simple money-grabbing attempt by Disney. I think they made an honest attempt to give people a different experience. Not everything that Disney does is nefarious, but some on these forums would have you believe that. I don't. Would I pay for it? No. Does it affect my trip if I don't pay for it? No. Do I care if someone wants to spend their vacation dollars on this? No, that's up to them. Why do you seem to care so vehemently about this???? How does it affect YOU?
There have always been experiences that people could pay extra for, going all the way back to the 70's when I first visited as an adult. Just because they are coming up with more of them, doesn't make it a bad thing. But you'll never be convinced of that, so we'll probably have to agree to disagree.
I'm not seeing that point since this is a "forum" after all.
sporadic
Well-Known Member
It makes me a happier person. It's pretty simple... Say you aren't happy with the direction a company has been taking. They fail due to this direction. You have a glimmer of hope in your heart that this may trigger change. It makes me happy that this is looking to be a failure for them and that they won't be getting my vacationing pennies this year. Even though just a drop in the bucket, my decision is effecting their bottom line and I hold onto a glimmer of hope that others will as well. Win win.
I guess we just lucked out on our visits the last 5 years then, as we were always in MK after Wishes (usually until midnight or later). Everything I'm seeing on the calendar for this year looks like 10PM during our usual visits. Regardless, we're going elsewhere this year and will take another look at WDW when planning comes for next year.
I know it's just not popular around here, but we stay on-site every visit, and never use EMH. We aren't up late enough to ever use the evening hours, and we avoid the morning EMH park like the plague as it gets way too busy too early. Just how we tour. And just like the old FP. Never worked for us, but we love FP+ as it works for how we like to visit the parks. Different strokes.
raven
Well-Known Member
That was a comment about Disney operation.
I'd suggest because it seems like another example of money grabbing to attempt to make money to pay for shortcomings elsewhere.
Especially by doing something that uses the times the park would in years gone by have been open to everyone paying a (substantially less) daily entrance fee.
Never said you couldn't post, obviously. It's your tone, and that of several others here that seem to think that just because something isn't worth it to you, that it shouldn't be worth it to anyone. You do know that people even pay the $300/hour for private guides - right?
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
And I think that would be a mistake. Anything they gain from hard ticketed events and/or labor savings will be offset by guests moving off property. Protecting "the bubble" of a captive on-property guest used to be a core tenet of their marketing strategy and I think it would be a huge mistake to move away from that, particularly with Universal stepping up their game.
HOWEVER, I don't think it's worth getting in a tizzy over something you've heard they're considering doing until they actually do it (or at least announce that they're doing it). Introducing these ticketed events have not, as of yet, had an impact on EMH; therefore I think it's a mistake to evaluate them as if they have.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
I guess the word premium could be subjective, but...1st class is objectively a step up from coach. How is this event objectively a step up from normal 10p-12a park going?
300 sold tickets is pretty big failure. Also, they didn't try a new show that stunk, but cost nothing to the guests. They tried to take away an hour of normal park time and charge you for it. It's good this flopped.
As I myself, and Steve and Len Testa pointed out earlier in this thread, they did take away regular park hours for these events. That's how it affects the masses.
NYwdwfan
Well-Known Member
I paid $12 for a bottle of water at an Islanders game last year. One bottle of water. And they don't even let you keep the cap (apparently, people throw them).
Me? Tizzy? Nah.
Just saying what I can about what I've been told by people who would know.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
I have no problem with those kinds of arguments. I just don't like the constant suggestions that anyone willing to pay for such an event is some sort of fool.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe. I am a Met season ticket holder, and I have lived in the NYC area my whole life and gone to games at every local stadium. I have never seen $12 water.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
really? You pay more than $12 for a bottle of water? Dang!
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I'm not claiming it's objective better. I'm just arguing that it's not objectively worse. It's not objectively anything. That's the whole point.
Like I said, if the guests reject it then they'll abandon it. Even if you want to claim negative effects, they're temporary at worst.
You can't draw a 1:1 relationship like that. Correlation does not imply causation. Epcot recently reverted back to its 9-7, 11-9 schedule after spending many years there and switching to 9-9 for awhile in between. There was no "after hours" event at Epcot. Park hours change all the time and it's a mistake to link the two and say that Magic Kingdom hours changed specifically because of this event.
Cletus
Well-Known Member
Well apparently there weren't many of "those" people, so who are we really offending? They fluffed the place full of Yes-Men/Women bloggers and free DVC so they could they could spin this as the "greatest thing since sliced bread". The scenario is no different than staying for late EMH sans the "free ice cream and soda" ($150 so not really free). We've been in the parks MANY times for late EMH that looked no different than last night. Was it free? Nope - it's built into the price of staying onsite. When they eventually remove that perk and charge for EMH they will have a mess on their hands. It seems so stupid to get rid of EMH (like they will) - which means they will certainly do it. Par for the recent course.
GrumpyFan
Well-Known Member
Some might consider it a "premium" or "deluxe" experience if they get the park to themselves and don't have to stand in long lines with stinky sweaty people and listen to bratty kids (and adults) complain about how hot and how long the lines are.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
No, not you. But people take what you say and run with it. You're certainly far less inflammatory with your rhetoric than WDW1974, but people take your information and then jump off the deep end with it.