Disney After Hours Event

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
New article in Money about the upcharge events. Shout out to WDW Magic

http://time.com/money/4285146/walt-disney-world-early-morning-magic-kingdom/

"The scenario is similar to the one faced by airline passengers: Many eagerly pay fees for “perks” like decent legroom and seat reservations not because they believe the prices charged by airlines for these amenities are reasonable, but because they want to avoid the uncomfortable alternatives provided with the base price of the product.

This can obviously leave a bad taste in the mouths of customers. It goes without saying that people feel better about paying extra when they cough up more cash to have more fun, rather than to simply avoid pain."

Articles like this which are critical of Disney this are coming out in increasing numbers. This indicates that even with Disneys social media blitzkreig Disney is losing control of the narrative that the parks have never been better and the guests are happy with Disneys choices
 

Filby61

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Articles like this which are critical of Disney this are coming out in increasing numbers. This indicates that even with Disneys social media blitzkreig Disney is losing control of the narrative that the parks have never been better and the guests are happy with Disneys choices

Exactly right. Disney plays the airlines’ game of “my way or the highway” at their own risk. Disney continues to raise their prices and lower their quality as if they think they’re the only choice for consumers. While airlines are essential for travelers, Disney is essential for vacationers only so long as management can keep their cash customers believing -- and more importantly, feeling -- the Disney branded lifestyle narrative of magic, happiness, and family values.

Articles like the one hopemax cited represent the first cracks in the windows on Main Street. Unless Disney stops promoting executives who excel at exploiting the customers, and promotes those who respect and value them, the cracks will grow. And for each customer there will come a time when they feel Disney isn't worth the money and the hassle. A time when they realize that the narrative of never-better parks and ever-happier guests is a crock.
 

seascape

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At first I thought this was a terrible offering. However for someone who is getting to Orlando at midday on a day this is offered and is visiting only for a couple of days it may be a good deal. Getting in at 4pm and being open extra hours for limited crowd it can work out well.

My brother is going for 3 nights and was thinking of only going to the parks 2 days. With this offer on his first day it makes it worth buying a 2 day ticket and this one. He loves the idea of getting a few hours with no lines. On the otherhand as a passholder I wouldn't go for it unless I was there with someone who wanted it. I can afford it but its too much money just for my wife and I.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
At this point in time I wouldn't bring my kids to Europe, I can barely make through the 2 hour flight to FL;)

Last fall, I brought my kid to Europe (she was 2 at the time). She did better on these flights than the short flights we have taken with her just in the US! I called it a miracle. :)
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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remember spirit has said that EMH is not long for this world
Yes! I remember he had stated that a while back. And there have been hints it would be coming to this. My question is..... How many people will they let into these events. The Halloween and Christmas parties sell I believe 20,000 tickets to their events. You would think they would keep ticket numbers down to have positive reviews. But I'm afraid they would start to sell more and more tickets to get a better return on investment. They have added more dates to the Halloween and Christmas parties this year.
 

note2001

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I have an image in my head of Disney World as being an orange. (A Florida orange of course. Yes, we all know the California oranges are superior these days, no need to go there. ;))

The orange may have a few flaws here or there as would be natural, but nothing that really detracts from the flavor or beauty of the overall product.
  • The grove management decides they can scrap off a bit of zest here or there, make a little extra money from it, show people there is more to the product than they might have realized. These spots blemish the product a bit, but still didn't affect much.
  • Management decides since that went over excessively well, they should start peeling entire strips off the outside of the orange to boost those profits, assuming it would do nothing to the fruit inside. So they do, and the fruit dries out just a bit, but not so much that folk who don't know exactly what a fresh orange should taste like would notice.
  • Greedy for more, and assuming the consumer mass is pretty much a bunch of people who wouldn't know a fresh orange if it hit them in the head, they decided to squeeze the product, split the offerings between different pools of consumers. (Note, those who pay more are not getting a better product, they are just deceived into believing they are.) They squeeze it harder and harder, all the time telling themselves that it is still an orange and people will want it because of their good name that was built up in years past. (this is where we are now.)
  • Consumers start to question the product and the value of it as the price has also been raised with each change. Buyers start to look to other groves, try their fruit and decide it's really pretty incredible, and a great value in comparison to their old faithful, overly marketed oranges they had become accustomed to buying.
  • Eventually the orange will be squeezed so hard it resembles the mushed clump of playdough a child might have after they destroy one creation and prepare a new color to be played with. You know: the mushed lump that conforms to the center of a clenched fist.
  • Management sees no more sales for zest, juice or oranges and they can't figure out why ... that's when Disney sells as they won't know how to create anything out of that mashed lump and those who knew how to restore faith in their product are long gone.
My belief is that Disney will not get much further down the line of self destruction. Stock holders may demand profits, but common sense has to tell those in charge that the profits are not as important as building and restoring faith in a once awesome product. Earned profits follow care and creation, not perception.
 
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HauntedMansionFLA

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I have an image in my head of Disney World as being an orange. (A Florida orange of course. Yes, we all know the California oranges are superior these days, no need to go there. ;))

The orange may have a few flaws here or there as would be natural, but nothing that really detracts from the flavor or beauty of the overall product.
  • The grove management decides they can scrap off a bit of zest here or there, make a little extra money from it, show people there is more to the product than they might have realized. These spots blemish the product a bit, but still didn't affect much.
  • Management decides since that went over excessively well, they should start peeling entire strips off the outside of the orange to boost those profits, assuming it would do nothing to the fruit inside. So they do, and the fruit dries out just a bit, but not so much that folk who don't know exactly what a fresh orange should taste like would notice.
  • Greedy for more, and assuming the consumer mass is pretty much a bunch of people who wouldn't know a fresh orange if it hit them in the head, they decided to squeeze the product, split the offerings between different pools of consumers. (Note, those who pay more are not getting a better product, they are just deceived into believing they are.) They squeeze it harder and harder, all the time telling themselves that it is still an orange and people will want it because of their good name that was built up in years past. (this is where we are now.)
  • Consumers start to question the product and the value of the product as the price has also been raised with each change to it. Buyers start to look to other groves, try their fruit and decide it's really pretty incredible, and a great value in comparison to their old faithful, overly marketed oranges they had become accustomed to buying.
  • Eventually the orange will be squeezed so hard it resembles the mushed clump of playdough a child might have after as they destroy one creation and prepare a new color to be played with. You know, the mushed lump that conforms to the center of a clenched fist.
  • Management sees no more sales for zest, juice or oranges and they can't figure out why ... that's when Disney sells as they won't know how to create anything out of that mashed lump and those who knew how to restore faith in their product are long gone..
My belief is that Disney will not get much further down the line of self destruction. Stock holders may demand profits, but common sense has to tell those in charge that the profits are not as important as building and restoring faith in a once awesome product. Earned profits follow care and creation, not perception.
Do you think they will try and sell the parks off at some time? Iger was looking around 2008.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Do you think they will try and sell the parks off at some time? Iger was looking around 2008.

@asianway has been saying the recent cuts feel like due dillgence moves. Right now it would not surprise me if Iger & Co were quietly trying to sell off P&R Iger's not an operations guy, he's a media and licensing guy and for him the parks are a giant headache so selling the parks and grabbing that cash infusion and collecting licensing fees would be far more appealing than the hard work of operating the parks.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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@asianway has been saying the recent cuts feel like due dillgence moves. Right now it would not surprise me if Iger & Co were quietly trying to sell off P&R Iger's not an operations guy, he's a media and licensing guy and for him the parks are a giant headache so selling the parks and grabbing that cash infusion and collecting licensing fees would be far more appealing than the hard work of operating the parks.
It would be funny if the company up the street would snatch them up.
 

asianway

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@asianway has been saying the recent cuts feel like due dillgence moves. Right now it would not surprise me if Iger & Co were quietly trying to sell off P&R Iger's not an operations guy, he's a media and licensing guy and for him the parks are a giant headache so selling the parks and grabbing that cash infusion and collecting licensing fees would be far more appealing than the hard work of operating the parks.
Were hitting the point in the cycle where a downturn has to happen at some point, the question is when. There is substantial risk holding onto an asset that has to fill, what, 30,000 hotel rooms nightly? Wall Street wants predictability, and parks brings too much exposure to the company now.
 

Chef Mickey

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I just purchased tickets for Disney After Hours on 4/28 for $317.38 for 2 people. The even is 10pm - 1am at Magic Kingdom.

I'm really not sure if that's going to be "worth it" during April when crowds are limited, but I was too curious not to try it, so I just got it. I plan to be there most of the day as well.

If you've followed me, you know I predicted this exact kind of thing over a year ago when I said Disney will try to target people who value lower crowds, shorter lines, and a less "hectic" theme park experience. I think this is just the first step in demand based pricing, more special ticket pricing, and more price increases.

I will report back with results because I can't find any information as to how many tickets they are selling. I have read 3,000 tickets for the Magic Kingdom, but can't confirm this anywhere. Anyone know? Disney just says they are "limited" but I hope it's significantly more limited than the Halloween or Christmas parties.
 

DisneyJoe

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Many of the fan sites who had the info before it was officially released were saying 3000, but no one has confirmed that number since the official announcement.
 

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