News Disney’s Q1 FY25 Earnings Results Webcast

Jrb1979

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It is not sustainable forever but where is that breaking point? They obviously haven't hit it yet and while I personally think they are walking a dangerous line right now, people have been predicting a collapse for over a decade at least and it still hasn't happened.
IMO that breaking is closer than many think. I don't think they are going bankrupt or out of business. It's pretty telling when travel is up the past year and attendance in Orlando for both Disney and Universal is down.

That says a lot.
 

Nobody nobody

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Potential bad situation arises for wdw

This site: “I’d like to see how money hungry Disney wriggles Disney World out of THIS jam!”

Disney: Wriggles WDW out of any major negative impact to money, making prices more expensive and worsening the experience

This site: “Disney is DEAD. the experince isn’t the same, everything is just about money now, and all the modenr rides are bad and SCREENZ, and imagineering is dead too!”

Every complaining continues to renew their annual passes, going to the parks, and spending money there.

repeat cycle
 

lentesta

Premium Member
As they've done in the past, they're gradually increasing pricing to find the tipping point that guests won't pay. They're squeezing 'yield' out of it.

And while they're experimenting with the dials, they're not making a big push advertising it.

As part of my upcoming manifesto, I note that Value Resort and table service meal prices have been flat or down since 2018, adjusted for inflation.

That would indicate that Disney's hit their limits there, and can only increase prices in line with inflation. It also exposes Food & Bev to swings in commodity prices. I learned more about the lamb market than expected.

This is one of the reasons why Yield Management is moving to dynamic ticket and hotel prices.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Potential bad situation arises for wdw

This site: “I’d like to see how money hungry Disney wriggles Disney World out of THIS jam!”

Disney: Wriggles WDW out of any major negative impact to money, making prices more expensive and worsening the experience

This site: “Disney is DEAD. the experince isn’t the same, everything is just about money now, and all the modenr rides are bad and SCREENZ, and imagineering is dead too!”

Every complaining continues to renew their annual passes, going to the parks, and spending money there.

repeat cycle
I haven't been to the parks in a few years. They've priced me out.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Is there some reason people stopped reporting on DIS stocks?

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ctrlaltdel

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As part of my upcoming manifesto, I note that Value Resort and table service meal prices have been flat or down since 2018, adjusted for inflation.

That would indicate that Disney's hit their limits there, and can only increase prices in line with inflation. It also exposes Food & Bev to swings in commodity prices. I learned more about the lamb market than expected.

This is one of the reasons why Yield Management is moving to dynamic ticket and hotel prices.
Seems to me that there has been a lot of "upside" (for lack of a better word) in the top-end spending guests that they are only now squeezing out with things like the Lightning Lane Premier Pass. We went from FastPass being free to a full on premium product at an extremely high price point that actually sells in under 3 years.
 

MisterPenguin

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MisterPenguin

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Premium Member
A little boost that's back on its way down for a stick that's been dropping for a few years now is nothing to write home about.
You don't remember the jigs when it was at $79?

So, what do you mean it's been dropping for a few years now? That would put it at $33 or something, where Comcast currently sits, no?
 

TheMaxRebo

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As part of my upcoming manifesto, I note that Value Resort and table service meal prices have been flat or down since 2018, adjusted for inflation.

That would indicate that Disney's hit their limits there, and can only increase prices in line with inflation. It also exposes Food & Bev to swings in commodity prices. I learned more about the lamb market than expected.

This is one of the reasons why Yield Management is moving to dynamic ticket and hotel prices.

Not surprising, especially with the table service

I know for myself and many I speak to they are allocating their trip budgets differently vs adding to them (or at least not fully additive) .... So if now spending on things like lightning lanes, that has to come from somewhere and table service meals are a relatively simple are to cut back on.

Also just reducing number of park days due to ticket prices and if few hours of park time available, less likely to use up that time with an in park table service.

For the Value Resorts, wonder if reduction of bubble perks finally catching up there. I know our upcoming trip we are staying off property as the on site benefits aren't enough to justify the price variance
 

MisterPenguin

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Nobody nobody

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As part of my upcoming manifesto, I note that Value Resort and table service meal prices have been flat or down since 2018, adjusted for inflation.

That would indicate that Disney's hit their limits there, and can only increase prices in line with inflation. It also exposes Food & Bev to swings in commodity prices. I learned more about the lamb market than expected.

This is one of the reasons why Yield Management is moving to dynamic ticket and hotel prices.
I apologize, but I don’t really speak buisness, is this good or bad?
 

rle4lunch

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For the first time since "owning" DVC points, we're looking to rent them at the end of the year and do something else with the revenue. We're going in May 2025 (to include a UNI day), which will be our first trip in 2.5 years to WDW (we've went to DL probably 4 times in the last 2 years since we were sorta local in San Diego). But, the whole thing with continuous changing of reservations requirements (we use military salute tickets since they're still about 40% cheaper than at the door), LL, LL+, LLMP, constant construction walls, ala carte top up pricing, yada yada yada.. It's just a big pain in the butt.

I know that WDW gets a LOT of profit off of first time visitors, but for the lifelong park goers, it's just not the same anymore. I'm not one of the people on here that hates every single change they make and lambast (ya'll's naysaying gets really old) them for it (some changes have been really great), but the fact that we front the additional costs for blue sky projects that get built in 7-10 years, or never, is frustrating to say the least.
 

MisterPenguin

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MisterPenguin

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I apologize, but I don’t really speak buisness, is this good or bad?
It means for people who can currently afford the parks 'on the cheap' will not see significant increases other than due to inflation. That's good news for them. Bad news for those who can't even afford that since prices won't be coming down, except for an occasional discount deal in some dead times.

For those who can currently afford a step up into the Moderate or Deluxe range, their costs will continue to climb faster than inflation until a tipping point is discovered. So, not so good news for them.
 

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