Not really making any predictions on what Mufasa will do….just pointing out the hypothetical nature of some people regarding critics… which I have seen before even the film is released
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Disney’s Mufasa - the lion king
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MickeyMouse10
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They've had to pay for review scores, because they have been making so much bad stuff. Everyone can have their own opinions. But I think the following movies and shows stink more than last weeks' trash.
The Last Jedi 90%
Skeleton Crew 90%
Ashoka 86%
Obi-Wan Kenobi 82%
The Acolyte 78%
Soul 95%
Turning Red 95%
Raya and the Last Dragon 93%
Ralph Breaks the Internet 88%
Lightyear 74%
Strange World 72%
Ms. Marvel 98%
Shang-Chi 92%
Moon Knight 86%
Falcon and the Winter Soldier 85%
Agatha all Along 84%
She-Hulk 79%
Black Widow 79%
Doctor Strange 2 74%
Echo 70%
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Disney Irish
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I'm not sure what your point is here. Is this somehow suppose to prove that Disney "pays" for critics? I don't see every one of those being 90% or higher, so if they are paying for them they aren't getting their monies worth. You'd think if they were paying they'd make sure to get 90% or better on every single one.
Also what about all the ones where they haven't gotten high scores like Wish or the entire Planes franchise, or any number of any of the other shows and movies that got less than 70% in the last 10+ year? How about those did Disney just forget to send the check that day?
MickeyMouse10
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Dude you got to be kidding. Many of these movies and shows are in the 80's and 90's. Are you trying to tell me that Ms. Marvel is a 98%?
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Disney Irish
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Dude, just because you didn't like them and think they're "trash" doesn't mean they aren't fairly well received by others. Ms Marvel for example has an 80% average popcorn score, and I happen to have liked it also. So did Disney pay off the audience too? I didn't get my check, where is it?
Critics look at different things than a regular person. They don't have to be paid just to give it a good score. Again if they actually were being paid you'd think Disney would ensure all their content would get above 90% EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
MickeyMouse10
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98%
Jaws, one of the greatest movies ever has a 97%, which is a lower percentage than Ms. Marvel.
People are always talking about negative review bombing, but it goes both ways. How does a show that does so poorly ratings wise get any good percentages? From either critics or viewers? Black Adam, one of the worst movies ever created has an 88% audience score. Even though the critics hate it and it bombed at the box office.
Don't let them throw the wool over your eyes.
TalkingHead
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TV critics have a tendency to be very favorable to series. Pretty uncommon to see a major/prestige title that’s under 80. RT now includes so many independent bloggers with questionable credentials that the movie scores can be misleading. Metacritic gives a better impression of professional critics’ reactions.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Take the tin foil hat off, there is no conspiracy here.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Good point, no system is infallible. And critics are just people too, they aren't "special" and there is no special training to be a critic, so they have likes and dislikes just like anyone else.
Ghost93
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Keep in mind, that the Rotten Tomatoes Scores is simply a reflection of the % of critics who liked (or at least didn't hate enough to give a rotten tomato) a movie. It is NOT a letter grade. For example, a movie could get 100% on Rotten Tomatoes even if most of the critics only gave it a 6.5 or 7 out of 10.
If you look at the average rating, Jaws has a 9.2 out of 10 whereas Ms. Marvel has an 8.3 out of 10.
I still think that score is waaay to high for Ms. Marvel, but the vast majority of critics based their reviews on the first two episodes that were provided in advance. The show didn't really go off the rails until around episode 4.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Shhh, don't use logic here.
Hawkeye_2018
Well-Known Member
you cant compare superhero tv series to a major film. also those tv ratings are only based on the first couple episodes, they are not given the entire season prior to review
You do realize that critics are just giving their opinions…. For example I think many of those titles are deserving the rating they received….It’s not wrong as that is my opinion… just as your opinion is not wrong if you disagree…. All film is subjective
Did you watch all this content you’ve just railed against?
Because frankly no matter your answer, I have follow up questions… maybe time to walk away from consuming content from only the terminally mad/conspiratorial online.
Ghost93
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Yeah, if anything I feel Agatha All Along has way too low a score at only 84%. I think it's one of the top 10 MCU projects of all time, and it is my second favorite MCU TV show, behind only WandaVision.
I’m more curious how anyone could hate everything there. Or especially dislike the Disney machine that much and yet still gobble it up. But I know modern internet is about consuming secondary content about primary content. I know I’m guilty for this, I consume much less actual video games than content about video games. How that looks on the streaming front is probably angry YouTubers in this case.
Even I haven’t watched it all. That list has a ton of things on it I think are under, over and appropriately critically rated!
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I have watched it all, and on average I would agree with most of those rating.
Ya I guess the real question since this is Rotten tomatoes - would I personally give everything a 6/10 at least? Probably for the vast majority.
Most things if I was taking it on a true percentage scale are maybe an up or down 10% situation, at max. Nothing seems that egregious. And yes, I really liked TLJ…
If Disney was paying for good scores, then Mufasa would have had good scores.
But you point out Mufasa didn't have good scores, which disproves your assumption (which has no proof, see below).
So, you've proved Disney doesn't pay for good reviews.
Your response to that is basically, "Oh, for *this* movie with bad reviews they didn't pay for them!"
Why wouldn't Disney, if they pay for good reviews, haven't already paid for them?
This is classic conspiracy theory. That when shown that ones 'theory' fails the logic test, the conspiracist comes up with an unlikely scenario (without proof) to show that they're assumptions (made without proof) are correct.
The second rebuttal to your mere surmising is this: No proof of any payola. There would be a paper trail of money. There would be disgruntled Disney employees or a reviewer who didn't think they got treated right (or they grew a conscience) who would have spilled the beans and put actual proof out there for all to see.
This falls in the fake moon landing conspiracy realm in which people believe that hundreds, if not thousands (including foreign governments) are all in on the deception with no one ever having blown the whistle.
To believe there is widespread review-buying is to believe also in an even more incredulous situation in which hundreds of people have kept silent on this deception.
Your position on review-buying is unfounded, unproven, conspiracy theory. It exists only in your mind.
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Farerb
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I liked TLJ but I was never a huge Star Wars fan and I completely understand why some Star Wars despise the film, I used to have a friend back when the movie released who was a huge Star Wars fan that didn't like the film who told me that she thought it was a good film but a bad Star Wars film and that was opening weekend before the craziness on the internet, so I imagine that other fans felt the same.
Now I don't think critics were ever being paid, but I do think that many of these "critics" are just internet influences who do enjoy some perks like being invited to premieres and watching movies before anyone else does and they know the only way to retain that is to give good reviews so they keep getting invited. If you really think about it, when did social media personalities like "Mama Geeky" ever give a negative review for a Disney film? That's why I can never take "early social media" reviews seriously.
When it comes to animated films, I feel that for a time there was a perception in 2010s that Disney and Pixar = quality, so they enjoyed inflated scores and in retrospect films like Big Hero 6, Finding Dory, Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Ralph Breaks the Internet, Frozen II didn't really deserve those high scores. This inflation continued to the 2020s and mediocre films like Onward, Soul, Raya, Turning Red and even Encanto (yes I mean it) enjoyed the inflation as well. Luca too, even though I liked the film and think it's gorgeous to look at it, I have to admit that the story is nothing to write home about (definitely not when compared to Pixar's 2000s films). I think that by the time we got to Wish, critics realized that these movies are not good enough anymore and the perception of Disney and Pixar was broken. That's just my two cents.
With the exception of WandaVision, I haven't seen any of the MCU or Star Wars shows, I don't care about shows and I'm not enthusiastic about the MCU enough to analyze it but I think it similar to my animated movies analysis, meaning that they enjoyed the good will of critics towards the Infinity saga until they didn't. Personally I think the MCU has been bland and mediocre ever since Iron Man 3.
Now I don't think critics were ever being paid, but I do think that many of these "critics" are just internet influences who do enjoy some perks like being invited to premieres and watching movies before anyone else does and they know the only way to retain that is to give good reviews so they keep getting invited. If you really think about it, when did social media personalities like "Mama Geeky" ever give a negative review for a Disney film? That's why I can never take "early social media" reviews seriously.
When it comes to animated films, I feel that for a time there was a perception in 2010s that Disney and Pixar = quality, so they enjoyed inflated scores and in retrospect films like Big Hero 6, Finding Dory, Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Ralph Breaks the Internet, Frozen II didn't really deserve those high scores. This inflation continued to the 2020s and mediocre films like Onward, Soul, Raya, Turning Red and even Encanto (yes I mean it) enjoyed the inflation as well. Luca too, even though I liked the film and think it's gorgeous to look at it, I have to admit that the story is nothing to write home about (definitely not when compared to Pixar's 2000s films). I think that by the time we got to Wish, critics realized that these movies are not good enough anymore and the perception of Disney and Pixar was broken. That's just my two cents.
With the exception of WandaVision, I haven't seen any of the MCU or Star Wars shows, I don't care about shows and I'm not enthusiastic about the MCU enough to analyze it but I think it similar to my animated movies analysis, meaning that they enjoyed the good will of critics towards the Infinity saga until they didn't. Personally I think the MCU has been bland and mediocre ever since Iron Man 3.