Disney’s Mufasa - the lion king

[Disney Irish]

If Disney was paying for good scores, then Mufasa would have had good scores.

But you point out Mufasa didn't have good scores, which disproves your assumption (which has no proof, see below).

So, you've proved Disney doesn't pay for good reviews.

Your response to that is basically, "Oh, for *this* movie with bad reviews they didn't pay for them!"

Why wouldn't Disney, if they pay for good reviews, haven't already paid for them?

This is classic conspiracy theory. That when shown that ones 'theory' fails the logic test, the conspiracist comes up with an unlikely scenario (without proof) to show that they're assumptions (made without proof) are correct.


The second rebuttal to your mere surmising is this: No proof of any payola. There would be a paper trail of money. There would be disgruntled Disney employees or a reviewer who didn't think they got treated right (or they grew a conscience) who would have spilled the beans and put actual proof out there for all to see.

This falls in the fake moon landing conspiracy realm in which people believes the hundreds, if not thousands (including foreign governments) are all in on the deception with no one ever having blown the whistle.

To believe there is widespread review-buying is to believe also in an even more incredulous situation in which hundreds of people have kept silent on this deception.

You position on review-buying is unfounded, unproven, conspiracy theory. It exists only in your mind.

Not only that but what about other studios? Is Disney the only one paying for reviews in this fantasy scenario? I mean wouldn't reviewers encourage other studios to also pay them in this payola scheme so they can make more money? Or are they just too good to buy reviews? And if its every studio then there would not only be hundreds of Disney employees but hundred of thousands of other studio employees who would have to keep quiet about such a payola scheme.

Its why this whole conspiracy falls apart in about half a second if you really thing about it.

 

[DKampy]

I’m more curious how anyone could hate everything there. Or especially dislike the Disney machine that much and yet still gobble it up. But I know modern internet is about consuming secondary content about primary content. I know I’m guilty for this, I consume much less actual video games than content about video games. How that looks on the streaming front is probably angry YouTubers in this case.

Yes there is endless content online… it is easy to sink into a rabbit hole as once your done viewing one piece of content you are immediately suggested dozens more…. This is just a hunch… but I get the feeling the days of the angry YouTuber has already peaked…. All the constant negativity gets old and those YouTubers are very predictable… constantly repeating the same drivel over and over

 

[MickeyMouse10]

LOL, 88% audience score for Mufasa. They still got to get the critics to 60% or above though. Read some of these very detailed gems from the audience section. That really show they've seen the movie, there's no doubt about it.

"It was sooooo good. I cant decide which one I like more."
"Loved the music. Good story line. The grandkids loved it."
"Amazing storyline. JEJ would be proud!!"
"Great movie that tied in perfectly to the original."
"Wonderful, greatest movie!!"
"Absolutely amazing, visually stunning!!!"
"Excellent story, very entertaining!"

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Did you watch all this content you’ve just railed against?

Because frankly no matter your answer, I have follow up questions… maybe time to walk away from consuming content from only the terminally mad/conspiratorial online.

I've seen everything on that list except Agatha (which most people had no interest in). Other than that the only ones I couldn't watch and quit after 1 or 2 episodes was She-Hulk, Ms Marvel and Skeleton Crew, because they were so terrible.

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

 

[Ghost93]

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

I won't defend Disney as a corporation, but I will defend content I like, and I found Agatha All Along to be excellent. Almost all of the friends in my circles loved it. I think the fact that the show started with somewhat low viewership, but saw its numbers and ratings substantially increase by the end of its run proves that it had good word of mouth and that more audiences tuned into it over time.

 

[DKampy]

LOL, 88% audience score for Mufasa. They still got to get the critics to 60% or above though. Read some of these very detailed gems from the audience section. That really show they've seen the movie, there's no doubt about it.

"It was sooooo good. I cant decide which one I like more."
"Loved the music. Good story line. The grandkids loved it."
"Amazing storyline. JEJ would be proud!!"
"Great movie that tied in perfectly to the original."
"Wonderful, greatest movie!!"
"Absolutely amazing, visually stunning!!!"
"Excellent story, very entertaining!"

That 88% is verified theatrical going audience…. When you include non-verified audience members into the mix it drops to 78%… but keep spinning your conspiracy theories to support your biased narrative

 

[Disney Irish]

I've seen everything on that list except Agatha (which most people had no interest in). Other than that the only ones I couldn't watch and quit after 1 or 2 episodes was She-Hulk, Ms Marvel and Skeleton Crew, because they were so terrible.

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

And so because you think the stuff on that list sucks that means everyone everywhere must also? No one could have possibly liked anything on that list and must have agreed with you and so all reviews are just lies? Is that what you’re saying? That people can’t enjoy something just because you didn’t and so any positive review is fake? You seriously are going with that as your argument?

Can you seriously not handle that everyone likes different things because everyone is different? Not everyone is going to have the same opinion which is why review sites show both the positive and negative reviews, that when averaged out show a consensus which may differ from yours. You seriously telling me that you can’t handle that?

 

[Dranth]

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

Not many posters are defending Disney all the time but in this particular case you are just wrong. Very little of what they have put out in the last few years is bad but very little has been great either. Not great does not equal terrible.

 

[Ghost93]

Not many posters are defending Disney all the time but in this particular case you are just wrong. Very little of what they have put out in the last few years is bad but very little has been great either. Not great does not equal terrible.

I think quality has been all over the map since 2020, with an even mix of great, good, mediocre and bad films.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

I've seen everything on that list except Agatha (which most people had no interest in). Other than that the only ones I couldn't watch and quit after 1 or 2 episodes was She-Hulk, Ms Marvel and Skeleton Crew, because they were so terrible.

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

I’ve seen plenty of criticism here, especially for stuff like Lightyear, Lost World, Acolyte. But obviously it’s easy to ignore that if it doesn’t fit your narrative

 

[BrianLo]

I don't understand why you people are so positive and will defend Disney so vehemently. Most of what they've done in recent years.... sucks.

I think what you are having trouble grasping is I don’t consume things I don’t like and really don’t expend energy digging into things I don’t like online. I’m not defending anything other than I devote time towards my tastes and reward it appropriately. You clearly don’t seem to like anything from modern Disney and yet spend an inordinate amount of your life consuming it. I don’t need to defend my vices, really the onus on consumption habits is the other way around.

I’ve had a bit of a falling out with Universals parks and have pulled back from attending them or being as active as I once was, until there are more discrete shifts.

As for that list, probably the only thing I really didn’t like was falcon and winter soldier, just not for me. Doctor Strange (I loved WandaVision) and didn’t love that movies’ Wanda direction. Strange World I never watched. I quit watching Secret War, then I enjoyed to various degrees everything else and would watch a second season for almost all the remainder. A couple shows greatly so, like Agatha and maybe Skeleton Crew depending on how that lands. Then id say I’m quite excited to see where Ahsoka goes and desperately hope Iman gets a Young Avengers series.

Like really… what am “I people” supposed to defend here? Watching things I like.

 

[MisterPenguin]

LOL, 88% audience score for Mufasa. They still got to get the critics to 60% or above though. Read some of these very detailed gems from the audience section. That really show they've seen the movie, there's no doubt about it.

"It was sooooo good. I cant decide which one I like more."
"Loved the music. Good story line. The grandkids loved it."
"Amazing storyline. JEJ would be proud!!"
"Great movie that tied in perfectly to the original."
"Wonderful, greatest movie!!"
"Absolutely amazing, visually stunning!!!"
"Excellent story, very entertaining!"

The only thing you're saying (over and over and over again) is this...

If anyone disagrees with my opinion, there must be something wrong with them. Were they paid to disagree with me? Are they gullible fools unable to see the truth?

It's all one giant ad hominem.

We see this. You're not convincing anyone.

 

[Tha Realest]

The Lion King (2019) made $191M in the US alone its first weekend. Mufasa is going to make around $38M this weekend. It may not crack $191M in its entire domestic run.