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[The_Jobu]

Your ill-informed opinions and lack of being informed about what's happening with the haters (what euphemism would you prefer) and your willful refusal to learn ends the lesson here. Good day.

Oh, I wasn't aware a lesson was taking place. I must have missed it. I see you want to toss me in with the "haters" to dismiss my thoughts rather than consider or counter them. That is unfortunate, but this clearly seems personal to you. Perhaps that is why you refuse to hear and consider what others are saying? I don't wish to anger you any further, I wish you well. I hope in the future you actually consider the opinions of others rather than claiming they are incorrect without offering any form of rebuttal.

I will continue to agree with the people of the thread that TLJ is not a terrible film, but accept that a good amount of people have reasonable objections, which we are happy to discuss.

Good day, friend. Your Disney knowledge is a credit to this board.

 

[The_Jobu]

Random question: Is this ST/OT/PT thing a largely used abbreviation for Star Wars fans? I'm tickled because I work in rehabilitation.

It is fairly common online. How do they relate to rehabilitation? That sounds interesting.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Random question: Is this ST/OT/PT thing a largely used abbreviation for Star Wars fans? I'm tickled because I work in rehabilitation.

I think it's a generally Disney fan thing...we seem to have an affinity for abbreviations.

 

[The_Jobu]

There was some really good EU stuff, but it was vastly outweighed by the amount of horrendous garbage. And as you said, most of the really good stuff was already in conflict with the prequels. The original Timothy Zahn trilogy was much better than anything that's been released since (including both the prequel and sequel trilogies), and I would have loved to see it put to film as a sequel trilogy. But it was almost completely overridden by the prequels, and it had a few silly aspects of its own.

There were some great storylines in the EU, some that I was sad to see go. But it was indeed a bit of a jumble towards the end.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Oh, I wasn't aware a lesson was taking place. I must have missed it. I see you want to toss me in with the "haters" to dismiss my thoughts rather than consider or counter them. That is unfortunate, but this clearly seems personal to you. Perhaps that is why you refuse to hear and consider what others are saying? I don't wish to anger you any further, I wish you well. I hope in the future you actually consider the opinions of others rather than claiming they are incorrect without offering any form of rebuttal.

I will continue to agree with the people of the thread that TLJ is not a terrible film, but accept that a good amount of people have reasonable objections, which we are happy to discuss.

Good day, friend. Your Disney knowledge is a credit to this board.

I actually really love discussing things even with people I disagree with as long as it can be kept civil. I think of talking about different points of view as a means of improving my critical thinking abilities because it allows me to see things from angles I hadn't previously considered.

Unfortunately, this is one aspect of me that drives my husband bananas...he wants discussions to be over with quickly, while I prefer to - as he puts it - talk things to death.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It is fairly common online. How do they relate to rehabilitation? That sounds interesting.

In terms of rehabilitation, OT is occupational therapy, and PT is physical therapy. I don't know if there's one for ST.

 

[The_Jobu]

I think of talking about different points of view as a means of improving my critical thinking abilities because it allows me to see things from angles I hadn't previously considered.

This is PRECISELY what I teach my students. If only they were all as open-minded as you!

 

[FoodRockz]

It is fairly common online. How do they relate to rehabilitation? That sounds interesting.

ST = Speech therapy (Technically speech-language pathology, but casually ST)
OT= Occupational therapy
PT = Physical therapy

 

[FoodRockz]

In terms of rehabilitation, OT is occupational therapy, and PT is physical therapy. I don't know if there's one for ST.

Don't worry, speech is always forgotten.

 

[The_Jobu]

Don't worry, speech is always forgotten.

My sister trained/worked as a speech pathologist before transferring to nursing. She would absolutely agree.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This is PRECISELY what I teach my students. If only they were all as open-minded as you!

I'm sort of an information junkie...so I suppose that helps! In all seriousness though...I really love analyzing stuff. I get it from my mother - we can have a conversation, talk several more times over the span of a week or so, then one of us will remember some random detail from the first conversation, and without even having to cue each other in that we're going to do so, pick up that first conversation to continue it. (My husband is completely baffled by our ability to do this!)

Don't worry, speech is always forgotten.

UGH. As a special needs mom who has a degree in education, I should have remembered that one!

 

[mikejs78]

Ah, excellent counter point. Thanks for the debate.

Look friend, you are obviously in the know when it comes to the Disney Corporation, you probably even have inside sources that you are friends with. It is understandable that you would feel the need to defend these people. If you took a step back however, you could accept that they are humans and not infallible. TLJ simply isn’t as beloved as the original trilogy films. It is not perfect, it may be possible that some poor choices were made along the way. It's no dumpsterfire, but there is something off about it with a lot of people (though not the majority of people).

At first, I really hated TLJ. But having spent time on this board and looking up positive reviews on youtube, I’ve come to appreciate some of the new directions the film went in. I still don’t care for the film and the new directions, but I completely understand that a lot of people love the film and they are genuine in their admiration. Not the majority, but they are out there. I suggest you read the opinions of some of the “others” you say are out there, the ones that anger you so much, and really listen to what they are saying. Give them merit and consideration and do not automatically dismiss them as trolling, hating, or some combination of racism or sexism or whatever-ism. I think you would find more in common than you think.

I just want to point out that you accused @MisterPenguin of using strawmen (which he isn't, which I'll get to in a moment), and then used one yourself. No one is claiming that TLJ is not perfect. But, if you search these boards, and this thread, you'll find plenty of people saying that Kathleen Kennedy should be fired, that TLJ ruined Star Wars, and that it was the worst film ever to be created in the history of filmmaking. Yes, people have actually said that on this forum. @MisterPenguin wasn't using straw men, he was actually referencing arguments that others have made. The "haters" are those who think that TLJ destroyed Star Wars, and Solo's Box Office failure is a direct result of TLJ alienating fans. They think Kathleen Kennedy is the root of all evil and should be fired. Those people exist, and you can find them here if you search a little.

 

[The_Jobu]

I just want to point out that you accused @MisterPenguin of using strawmen (which he isn't, which I'll get to in a moment), and then used one yourself. No one is claiming that TLJ is not perfect. But, if you search these boards, and this thread, you'll find plenty of people saying that Kathleen Kennedy should be fired, that TLJ ruined Star Wars, and that it was the worst film ever to be created in the history of filmmaking. Yes, people have actually said that on this forum. @MisterPenguin wasn't using straw men, he was actually referencing arguments that others have made. The "haters" are those who think that TLJ destroyed Star Wars, and Solo's Box Office failure is a direct result of TLJ alienating fans. They think Kathleen Kennedy is the root of all evil and should be fired. Those people exist, and you can find them here if you search a little.

I dont doubt that some of these people do exist, I don't think there's very many of them, I don't recall ever reading that TLJ is the worst film in history, but they're probably out there. If they are on this board, he should probably enter into a conversation with them where they are posting though. That would actually be productive. No one is saying that here so it's a bit nonsensical to use them as counterpoints (if they can even be considered that) to my opinions. No one was even discussing Kennedy so again its counter-productive to invoke the dreaded "haters" and defend her. I suspect with his connections, he probably knows quite a few people at Lucasfilm so it might hit a little too close to home. Someone out there is really boiling his potato.

If anyone here claimed the majority of SW fans hated the TLJ, I would disagree with them. If they claimed the franchise was ruined, I would disagree with them. If they said Rey is bad because she's a woman, I would say they were stupid, and then disagree with them.

Perhaps if he engaged in a dialogue and practice some critical thinking, considering the points of argument against his own, he'd probably find that "they" share a lot of common ground with him. I appreciate your comments in this thread, you have contributed significantly to the conversation.

At the end of the day, it's actually quite fun and rewarding to find common ground within a disagreement.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I dont doubt that some of these people do exist, I don't think there's very many of them, I don't recall ever reading that TLJ is the worst film in history, but they're probably out there. If they are on this board, he should probably enter into a conversation with them where they are posting though. That would actually be productive. No one is saying that here so it's a bit nonsensical to use them as counterpoints (if they can even be considered that) to my opinions. No one was even discussing Kennedy so again its counter-productive to invoke the dreaded "haters" and defend her. I suspect with his connections, he probably knows quite a few people at Lucasfilm so it might hit a little too close to home. Someone out there is really boiling his potato.

If anyone here claimed the majority of SW fans hated the TLJ, I would disagree with them. If they claimed the franchise was ruined, I would disagree with them. If they said Rey is bad because she's a woman, I would say they were stupid, and then disagree with them.

Perhaps if he engaged in a dialogue and practice some critical thinking, considering the points of argument against his own, he'd probably find that "they" share a lot of common ground with him. I appreciate your comments in this thread, you have contributed significantly to the conversation.

At the end of the day, it's actually quite fun and rewarding to find common ground within a disagreement.

(I actually really love Rey. Her expression when she says "I bypassed the compressor!" makes me smile and giggle a little every time! I just love how resourceful and determined she is.)

 

[The_Jobu]

(I actually really love Rey. Her expression when she says "I bypassed the compressor!" makes me smile and giggle a little every time! I just love how resourceful and determined she is.)

I think that Daisy was a great choice for the role. She brings a tremendous amount of storytelling without words, just visual communication. Sometimes though, I scratch my head at the way her character is written.

 

[ABQ]

......, that TLJ ruined Star Wars, and that it was the worst film ever to be created in the history of filmmaking. .....

Obviously those people have never seen Showgirls, or Gigli or Glitter or a slew of other far more horrifyingly bad movies than The Last Jedi.

 

[UNCgolf]

I didn't really like TLJ, but I'm usually surprised by how much of the focus is on it and not Force Awakens. Most of the issues people have with TLJ are a direct result of choices made in TFA with regards to the state of the galaxy, characters, etc.

The Force Awakens was an okay movie in a vacuum but it really did a terrible job setting up any kind of interesting place for its sequel to go.

 

[eddie104]

Geez another thread arguing about a movie that came out in 2017. In my Frozen voice let it go and move on already because this thread is not going anywhere.

 

[GoofGoof]

Geez another thread arguing about a movie that came out in 2017. In my Frozen voice let it go and move on already because this thread is not going anywhere.

A valid point, but like it or not a large part of the financial future of TWDC is tied to the Star Wars franchise. The Star Wars theme park lands (and future resort) are a large investment and if successful should solidify the future of the park segment for many years. I think its way too early to jump to conclusions about the potential success or failure of the lands when only 1 is half open. I think it will take until this time next year when the lands on both coasts will be fully open 6 months to really make a full judgment.

 

[Rich Brownn]

I don't think anyone was disputing that the TLJ is canon. At least I haven't seen anyone with that opinion. If anything, most negative opinions stem from their acceptance that the film is canon and tarnishing the story of the OT characters.

I was answering why the CinemaScore seemed out of whack with fans opinions. Basically, the majority of people who saw the movie aren't die hards and enjoyed the movie.