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The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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Rich Brownn said:
I was answering why the CinemaScore seemed out of whack with fans opinions. Basically, the majority of people who saw the movie aren't die hards and enjoyed the movie.
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Perhaps, though cinemascore is only one metric. It’s hard to reach any conclusions on that alone. For example Solo was only a couple percentage lower though it was a critical and commercial failure. It’s useful as part of a much larger picture.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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1. This conversation has gone so far off the rails it should be moved to the movies/tv area.
2. Disney does have a Star Wars problem. Star Wars has always had toxic fans. Not too long ago the same toxic fans that won’t stop berating everyone on their TLJ opinion and celebrating any Lucas involvement were trying to get Lucas to step away from the franchise entirely because of the prequels. Toxic fans are creating an environment where Star Wars is not something fun to like. (BTW those thinking Lucas will save The Mandalorian, aren’t paying attention. Favreau stated it was just a set visit. And reminded him that Star Wars was always for the children. The Mandalorian will be good because of how Favreau and Filoni interpret that conceit.)
3. There is nothing wrong with admitting that Disney has made mistakes with Star Wars. They leaned too heavily on toys, released the wrong video games (at least not the ones fans wanted), put too many movies into development without a clear plan and didn’t rationalize release dates well. Iger has admitted they moved too fast.

One divisive movie won’t break the franchise. And slowing things down is a good step. Giving hard core fans The Mandalorian sounds like it will be a good step and EP IX needs to bookend the ‘Skywalker Saga’ effectively. Star Wars will never be what the OT purists want it to be again. It is impossible to recapture that original magic. The franchise needs to keep evolving and bringing in new generations. Disney has to constantly thread the needle between OT, PT and new. If folks want Star Wars to survive, they have to give them breathing room to experiment and yes do things that aren’t universally loved today.
 
The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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Rodan75 said:
1. This conversation has gone so far off the rails it should be moved to the movies/tv area.
2. Disney does have a Star Wars problem. Star Wars has always had toxic fans. Not too long ago the same toxic fans that won’t stop berating everyone on their TLJ opinion and celebrating any Lucas involvement were trying to get Lucas to step away from the franchise entirely because of the prequels. Toxic fans are creating an environment where Star Wars is not something fun to like. (BTW those thinking Lucas will save The Mandalorian, aren’t paying attention. Favreau stated it was just a set visit. And reminded him that Star Wars was always for the children. The Mandalorian will be good because of how Favreau and Filoni interpret that conceit.)
3. There is nothing wrong with admitting that Disney has made mistakes with Star Wars. They leaned too heavily on toys, released the wrong video games (at least not the ones fans wanted), put too many movies into development without a clear plan and didn’t rationalize release dates well. Iger has admitted they moved too fast.

One divisive movie won’t break the franchise. And slowing things down is a good step. Giving hard core fans The Mandalorian sounds like it will be a good step and EP IX needs to bookend the ‘Skywalker Saga’ effectively. Star Wars will never be what the OT purists want it to be again. It is impossible to recapture that original magic. The franchise needs to keep evolving and bringing in new generations. Disney has to constantly thread the needle between OT, PT and new. If folks want Star Wars to survive, they have to give them breathing room to experiment and yes do things that aren’t universally loved today.
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It’s great that you started off complaining about off topic and then joined in with a lengthy post, heh. I think you’re being a bit hard on OT fans. While every fandom has its share of “toxic fans” (though I loathe that term) I don’t think SW has a disproportionate amount.

I hope they do continue to bring the franchise in new directions as well. I think Disney wants the broad audience as much as possible.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Rodan75 said:
1. This conversation has gone so far off the rails it should be moved to the movies/tv area.
2. Disney does have a Star Wars problem. Star Wars has always had toxic fans. Not too long ago the same toxic fans that won’t stop berating everyone on their TLJ opinion and celebrating any Lucas involvement were trying to get Lucas to step away from the franchise entirely because of the prequels. Toxic fans are creating an environment where Star Wars is not something fun to like. (BTW those thinking Lucas will save The Mandalorian, aren’t paying attention. Favreau stated it was just a set visit. And reminded him that Star Wars was always for the children. The Mandalorian will be good because of how Favreau and Filoni interpret that conceit.)
3. There is nothing wrong with admitting that Disney has made mistakes with Star Wars. They leaned too heavily on toys, released the wrong video games (at least not the ones fans wanted), put too many movies into development without a clear plan and didn’t rationalize release dates well. Iger has admitted they moved too fast.

One divisive movie won’t break the franchise. And slowing things down is a good step. Giving hard core fans The Mandalorian sounds like it will be a good step and EP IX needs to bookend the ‘Skywalker Saga’ effectively. Star Wars will never be what the OT purists want it to be again. It is impossible to recapture that original magic. The franchise needs to keep evolving and bringing in new generations. Disney has to constantly thread the needle between OT, PT and new. If folks want Star Wars to survive, they have to give them breathing room to experiment and yes do things that aren’t universally loved today.
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I agree with most of this. I do think Lucas gets a bit of a bad rap. He did get fixated on toys and merchandise, but he is older now and has $4B to play with. Anything he gets involved with now won’t be for money, he’s got plenty of that. The SW Universe did come from his mind, but it’s also nice to see new ideas too. I have hope Mandalorian will be well done.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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The_Jobu said:
It’s great that you started off complaining about off topic and then joined in with a lengthy post, heh. I think you’re being a bit hard on OT fans. While every fandom has its share of “toxic fans” (though I loathe that term) I don’t think SW has a disproportionate amount.

I hope they do continue to bring the franchise in new directions as well. I think Disney wants the broad audience as much as possible.
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Lol yeah. But the whole thread should just be moved.

And I don’t think everyone who disliked TLJ is toxic. Just some fans who have an outsized voice and those folks are doing a lot to suffocate the franchise.

Art is subjective. I appreciate that TLJ isn’t universally loved. Disney took a big risk, hopefully they keep taking them.
 
LSLS

LSLS

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Speaking as a moderate fan (one that thought jedi wasnt that good, but had no problem with the direction Luke went), galaxy edge is just not that exciting to me. Just feels like a ton of hype for 2 rides, a bunch of shopping and a place to eat. Plus, as a moderate fan, the music of star wars is one of my favorite things. I know it's silly, but of there's no music, that's an even bigger turn off to the land.

One other reason I'm not super hyped is the concept. I'll equate it to this. The Orlando thing I'm most excited for right now is Nintendo world. If universal announced they would be creating their own concept of a land that they think could be in a video game, there is 0 chance I would go to it. I wonder if I'm not alone in the idea that visiting a random world with things from all over star wars just doesnt make me jump up and book.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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LSLS said:
Speaking as a moderate fan (one that thought jedi wasnt that good, but had no problem with the direction Luke went), galaxy edge is just not that exciting to me. Just feels like a ton of hype for 2 rides, a bunch of shopping and a place to eat. Plus, as a moderate fan, the music of star wars is one of my favorite things. I know it's silly, but of there's no music, that's an even bigger turn off to the land.

One other reason I'm not super hyped is the concept. I'll equate it to this. The Orlando thing I'm most excited for right now is Nintendo world. If universal announced they would be creating their own concept of a land that they think could be in a video game, there is 0 chance I would go to it. I wonder if I'm not alone in the idea that visiting a random world with things from all over star wars just doesnt make me jump up and book.
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I don’t think there’s any issue with ride count. WWoHP opened with 1 real ride and 2 recycled. Pandora is 2 rides (some say 1.5). I think that’s about what to expect from a theme park land these days. That assumes the headliner actually opens. Imagine if Diagon Alley opened with just hogwarts express and the shops.

I remember having discussions when the plans for SW Land were first announced (years ago now)about the risk of going for full immersion vs incorporating more popular and classic things. The music can be added later (and probably will be). I don’t think people jump to book just to visit a land. It’s still the rides that hook people. RoTR sounds like it could be epic and who doesn’t want to fly the MF. The rides may ultimately far exceed the land as a draw for the masses which is OK for me. FLE looks really good walking through but the rides don’t overwhelm me. On the flip side Transformers is one of my favorite rides anywhere and it is basically in a box building with minimal theming.
 
eddie104

eddie104

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GoofGoof said:
I don’t think there’s any issue with ride count. WWoHP opened with 1 real ride and 2 recycled. Pandora is 2 rides (some say 1.5). I think that’s about what to expect from a theme park land these days. That assumes the headliner actually opens. Imagine if Diagon Alley opened with just hogwarts express and the shops.

I remember having discussions when the plans for SW Land were first announced (years ago now)about the risk of going for full immersion vs incorporating more popular and classic things. The music can be added later (and probably will be). I don’t think people jump to book just to visit a land. It’s still the rides that hook people. RoTR sounds like it could be epic and who doesn’t want to fly the MF. The rides may ultimately far exceed the land as a draw for the masses which is OK for me. FLE looks really good walking through but the rides don’t overwhelm me. On the flip side Transformers is one of my favorite rides anywhere and it is basically in a box building with minimal theming.
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Comparing WWoHP to GE is apples to oranges honestly like someone said earlier as the concepts are not really the same.
 
Villains0501

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MisterPenguin said:
Your ill-informed opinions and lack of being informed about what's happening with the haters (what euphemism would you prefer) and your willful refusal to learn ends the lesson here. Good day.
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Sad - I’ve read some of your posts on other threads and you seem like a nice, reasonable individual who is very well-informed about the Disney company and its legacy. Not sure why you’re being so hostile in this case, but I really don’t think it’s called for. Is what’s being posited so far-fetched: that the majority of the minority who disliked TLJ are not in fact crazed, sexist, racist man-babies, but instead rational moviegoers of all backgrounds and identities who peaceably disagree with some of the narrative choices made thus far in the ST?
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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eddie104 said:
Comparing WWoHP to GE is apples to oranges honestly like someone said earlier as the concepts are not really the same.
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I wasn’t comparing concept just ride count. The statement was made that SW:GE is underwhelming because it’s just 2 rides and some shops and restaurants. That’s a theme park land these days.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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GoofGoof said:
Who hasn’t show? AP holders? Why would they when they can go in Sept for free. If I lived in CA and had an AP I wouldn’t buy a 1 day ticket even at half price to see a new land I can see 2 months later with my AP.

If attendance is flat at WDW when this opens that would surprise me, even in Sept which is a down time. Remember that FLE drove attendance growth when that opened at WDW.

As far as the movies go, Solo was a flop. Force Awakens had a huge box office because it was the first new SW movie in decades. I would be shocked if the next movie was under a billion. Any movie franchise which consistently produces $1B+ movies is highly popular. I am curious to see how the next trilogy does with no skywalkers. As we saw with Harry Potter making a trilogy without the loved characters is a gamble.
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That’s a good way of explaining away some weak reactions to a lot of Star Wars material.

If mediocrity is reasonable...then we all are in agreement and we can start talking about the next fast and the furious.
 

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