DHS to Get the DCA Treatment?

[lebeau]

Attendance isn't what determines the flagship title, but the amount of things to do. That's why WDW is the flagship resort. It's got four parks, at least 20 resorts, golf courses, water parks, etc. It's the flagship resort by a mile. Disneyland has the most things to do in one park, more than any of the other Disney parks, making it the flagship park.

The best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization.

I do not find this descriptive of Disney World.

 

[rioriz]

I do not find this descriptive of Disney World.

May not hold the best park but it IS the most important resort in terms of revenue. Imagine if there were none of all Raven stated and the impact that would have on the entire Disney empire!

 

[JustInTime]

Be mindful that our insiders didn't know about FLE OR Avatar before they were announced. Anything can happen. DHS needs some major love. As does Epcot.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I do not find this descriptive of Disney World.

I don't understand.

 

[dreamscometrue]

Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.

I know there is thought about TDO 'downsizing' what Lutz reports, but...

1. Isn't it thought by several of you 'insiders' here that TDO personnel will likely change in the next year to year and a half?
2. Can't Staggs or someone overrule TDO regardless of who is running it?

 

[doctornick]

Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.

Assuming that the DL E-ticket isn't Marvel, is there talk/plans to put it in MK Tomorrowland as well? Isn't that the kind of One Disney cost-saving measure that we sometimes see, spreading the cost for development over two parks.

In the same vein, is there room in MK's Fronteirland for a new ride without demolishing an existing? Like on the other side of the train station? Or just south of Splash?

 

[baymenxpac]

Be mindful that our insiders didn't know about FLE OR Avatar before they were announced. Anything can happen. DHS needs some major love. As does Epcot.

in fairness, that's not entirely true. lee admitted that avatar had crossed his desk, but he didn't believe it to be valid/far along enough to pass it on.

i'm assuming that if he had more info than he has already shared about DHS, he'd at the very least tease or allude to it considering there's some smoke right now around the studios.

 

[flynnibus]

Disneyland has the most things to do in one park, more than any of the other Disney parks, making it the flagship park.

It's their Gem - but not what they lead with. WDW, with it's scale and range of offerings is what the company leads with in marketing and promotion. It is their 'global' property, etc.

DL is near and dear to most - but it's the WDW machine that gets pumped by the company at the outward facing level.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It's their Gem - but not what they lead with. WDW, with it's scale and range of offerings is what the company leads with in marketing and promotion. It is their 'global' property, etc.

DL is near and dear to most - but it's the WDW machine that gets pumped by the company at the outward facing level.

This is exactly what I meant. I never said Disneyland leads the company, I just said it's the flagship park. I even said WDW is the number one, leading resort in another post. I'm not trying to put Disneyland on the best resort pedestal, I was just stating a fact.

 

[flynnibus]

Assuming that the DL E-ticket isn't Marvel, is there talk/plans to put it in MK Tomorrowland as well? Isn't that the kind of One Disney cost-saving measure that we sometimes see, spreading the cost for development over two parks.

Part of the problem with that tho is.. the main bullseye in DL's TL is the Innovations building.. which is occupied by CoP here. In DL it's dispised.. in MK, CoP isn't a huge draw, but trashing it would be sacrilegious.

The best hope is Autopia really is the target and maybe that means they'd replace Indy speedway at the MK. But I think that is less likely.

 

[WDWFigment]

Be mindful that our insiders didn't know about FLE OR Avatar before they were announced. Anything can happen. DHS needs some major love. As does Epcot.

So many people knew about FLE before it was announced that Rasulo joked about the rumors in the lead up to his announcement.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Insiders don't know weeks in advance what will be decided upon on a certain day. Rather, they know about and have an understanding of, the way the company works and how plans are touted around, are considered by which department. They know what floats around and what is nearer to being greenlit than other plans.


There wasn't a Disney fan left without a full FLE blueprint well before it was announced. Avatar did come out of the blue (*insert clever pun involving blue aliens*).


Disneyland makes about as much profit as a pool bar in a WDW luxury resort.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Part of the problem with that tho is.. the main bullseye in DL's TL is the Innovations building.. which is occupied by CoP here. In DL it's despised.

Got that right. Can't stand it.

 

[TP2000]

Assuming that the DL E-ticket isn't Marvel, is there talk/plans to put it in MK Tomorrowland as well? Isn't that the kind of One Disney cost-saving measure that we sometimes see, spreading the cost for development over two parks.

Of course. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (get it? Tomorrowland?) to figure out that the new E Ticket coming to Anaheim will be showing up around 2015 in two Tomorrowland's; in Anaheim and in Shanghai.

There's more going on with Disney theme parks beyond just Florida. TDA has likely tapped in to the development of major new attractions for Shanghai Disneyland, for both the new Tomorrowland E TIcket in 2015 and whatever arrives on the backside of Frontierland shortly after that.

 

[flynnibus]

This is exactly what I meant. I never said Disneyland leads the company, I just said it's the flagship park. I even said WDW is the number one, leading resort in another post. I'm not trying to put Disneyland on the best resort pedestal, I was just stating a fact.

Ergo - the condradiction in your statements and your 'facts'. The flagship is the most important one.. and for TWDC as a product.. WDW is that figurehead. It's a sad reality when the figurehead isn't the best maintained or arguably the best at what it is.. but that's just the way it is at times.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Be mindful that our insiders didn't know about FLE OR Avatar before they were announced. Anything can happen. DHS needs some major love. As does Epcot.

Fantasy Land Expansion was a horribly kept secret. It was known on these boards in June of '09 and announced at the Expo (I believe in September 09). Lee said he received an e-mail on Avatar shortly before the announcement but thought it was too far fetched so he didn't share it. Other than that there was nothing on it. Of course there's been nothing else since either so that might explain it.

 

[TP2000]

Part of the problem with that tho is.. the main bullseye in DL's TL is the Innovations building.. which is occupied by CoP here. In DL it's dispised.. in MK, CoP isn't a huge draw, but trashing it would be sacrilegious.

Yup, Innoventions in the Carousel Theater at Disneyland's Tomorrowland is despised. I absolutely hate it. Everyone hates it. In order to renew your Annual Pass at Disneyland they make you pledge an oath that you will continue to hate it through the next calendar year.

When they bulldoze Innoventions for a new E Ticket in Tomorrowland soon, people will cheer and rejoice. But if they bulldozed the Carousel Theater at WDW, it would be a very sad day. Very sad. I'd be furious.

It's like the difference between the Little Mermaid in DCA and FLE. At DCA the Little Mermaid replaced a boring and unloved history movie that no one cared about, and so the net gain for DCA was a huge hit and a happy addition. At FLE the Little Mermaid replaces an original 1971 E Ticket that people loved and enjoyed, so there is some grumbling that it's just a status quo addition at best, or at worst it's a change that dumbs down the overall park experience a bit.

Two different parks, two different Tomorrowlands, two very different directions they take.

 

[worldfanatic]

Exciting to hear from yet another source that Tomorrowland at Disneyland is receiving the work is so desperately needs.

I am pleased, especially since I think Tomorrowland is Disneyland's biggest weakness.

So true.

Disney does seem to be addressing their biggest park issues.
(Tomorrowland in DL, Fantasyland in MK, Major additions to DCA, Major addition to AK.)
And for the most part, they don't seem to be "going cheap" on those projects.

An acknowledgement of DHS's problems is a nice place to start.
Hopefully wiser heads prevail, and DHS get the MAJOR, MAJOR amount of work it needs.

 

[TalkingHead]

DHS needs some major love. As does Epcot.

So do DAK and MK...

Wait, that's all the parks.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ergo - the condradiction in your statements and your 'facts'. The flagship is the most important one.. and for TWDC as a product.. WDW is that figurehead. It's a sad reality when the figurehead isn't the best maintained or arguably the best at what it is.. but that's just the way it is at times.

A park and a resort are two different things, a resort being more important than a single park. Since the entire resort is what brings in revenue, not the dependence of one, sole park, WDW is the most important. It doesn't mean Disneyland can't be the flagship park.