DHS to Get the DCA Treatment?

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
The first step to addressing DHS would be for TDO to decide what that park is supposed to be about in the year 2012 and beyond when there is never going to be any sort of active filming there. That was supposed to be the point of DHS in the very beginning, that it would be a working studio for guests to learn how movies and TV shows were made. In my opinion the mission statement and guiding principles of DHS need to be reconcieved as "DHS is the park that celebrates great movies from Disney and other artists".

So much could be done with that concept. There could be a whole Star Wars Land, a land for Indiana Jones with lots of fun attractions, an area for Pixar Films, the Muppet Studios, etc. It would be the one place where it would feel totally appropriate to base a land off a movie franchise because that would be the point of the place.

Tear down all the studio buildings and evict the executive offices that are there now and really go wild with bringing the movies to life.

You want a Potter-Swatter? Well, how about a place where you can visit all sorts of films and not just the Potter ones? That would be amazing.

I'm really fascinated by the remaking of Tomorrowland though. That is another thing that needs its mission statement and guiding principles reexamined. They need to find a way to present Tomorrowland so that it does not need to be remade again for another 50 years. Don't set it in the near future...set it in a make-believe world based on science fiction. I kind of like the idea of it being done up in Steampunk to look like what the people who lived on Main Street at the turn of the 20th Century thought the future would look like. That would be a fun transition from Main Street into Tomorrowland...like you were leaping into the imaginations of those Main Street residents. Disney Imagineers could have a lot of fun with Steampunk.

I'm really excited for October to come. Al Lutz has hinted a few times that Disney would be deciding soon what it's going to do and we'd get an idea somewhat of what's to come for Tomorrowland and Frontierland. I am really crossing my fingers that exciting things are coming down the pipe and this is the beginning of a New Golden Age for Disney parks.
 

Lee

Adventurer
Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.
 

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
The timing of this is great. 2013-2015 or 2014-2016 for an opening window will potentially allow the following:
Fantasyland/Seven Dwarf's Mine Train: End of 2013
DHS Changes: 2014-2016
World of Avatar: 2016-2017

Add in the fact that once Fantasyland opens, it makes a few more Hollywood Studios attractions (Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast) redundant. I could see the rumored Tangled show replacing Beauty and the Beast, a major re-working of the Animation Courtyard, an expansion to Pixar Place and something else to unify Echo Lake to the backlot (Muppet Studios/Lucasland).


The saddest thing is, the MI Coaster would have fit beautifully into that 2014-2016 timeline. If they truly want to spread out the expenditures, that's where they should start.

Let's face it though, with as popular as the Osbourne Lights are (and the elecTronica/Mad T Party is), if TDO can't see that that type of party would be successful at DHS, I hold out no hope that they will ever do anything but the status quo.

Heck, they have nothing more than to look at the insane popularity of TSMM to show them that an expansion is sustainable and desperately needed!
 

djlaosc

Well-Known Member
Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

Monsters Inc. Door Coaster?

The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.

Ranch = Land of Oz v Lone Ranger?
 

El Grupo

Well-Known Member
This is from Al Lutz at Mice Age. Here's a link to the full report, although the rest is all about DL.

This sounds like exactly the sort of thing we have all been calling for for a few years now. Leave it to TDO to find a way to screw it up.

If this story is correct (serious consideration being given to a DCA treatment for DHS/TDO already looking for ways to cut costs), I wouldn't be surprised if TDO is following directions from the Studios.

I'm not looking to defend any management in Orlando. However, from some indications, it would not be the first time that top executives in Burbank pit two divisions against each other (strongly encourage one to be creative and dream, while pushing the other to hold down/eliminate investments).
 

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.


How disappointing! So Lee, is TDO to blame or is it just that the powers to be at Disney value DL more?
 

GLaDOS

Well-Known Member
Lots of stuff on the table for DHS. Nothing greenlit. Don't expect anything even close to a DCA scale makeover, just the possible addition of a new ride, maybe (remotely possible) two.

As long as the one we get isn't the dang door coaster, I'm all for it.
 

Vader2112

Well-Known Member
The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.


Would TDO consider focusing all there enrgy on one park and making MK the shining Jewel of Disney Parks by next focusing on Tomorrowland? FLE is gorgeous from what we can see if they did this with Tomorrowland WOW...
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Would TDO consider focusing all there enrgy on one park and making MK the shining Jewel of Disney Parks by next focusing on Tomorrowland? FLE is georgeous from wht we can see if they did this with Tomorrowland WOW...

Even with a new Tomorrowland, MK still wouldn't be considered Disney's flagship park. A new Tomorrowland sounds nice, though.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
1) I take everything Lutz says about WDW with a grain of salt because I think he has ulterior motives rather than simply presenting news & rumors, and he is always making contemptuous comments about Walt Disney World and its fans (he's worse than even the worst here!). But I have to give it to him on the TDO would drag out the opening of any DHS expansion comment. Dwarfs Mine Train isn't set to open until 2014. I know plans for it didn't come about until later, but this whole expansion has moved at a snail's pace. Using FLE as the measuring stick, if Walt Disney World received any expansion comparable to DCA 2.0 in nature, it would take approximately 16 years to complete. Okay, maybe not that many, but a lot longer than three years.

2) Exciting to hear from yet another source that Tomorrowland at Disneyland is receiving the work is so desperately needs. A new attraction plus the removal of Innoventions (a rare case of addition by subtraction)?! I am pleased, especially since I think Tomorrowland is Disneyland's biggest weakness.

3) Awesome new avatar, @lebeau!
 

thehowiet

Wilson King of Prussia
But I have to give it to him on the TDO would drag out the opening of any DHS expansion comment. Dwarfs Mine Train isn't set to open until 2014. I know plans for it didn't come about until later, but this whole expansion has moved at a snail's pace. Using FLE as the measuring stick, if Walt Disney World received any expansion comparable to DCA 2.0 in nature, it would take approximately 16 years to complete. Okay, maybe not that many, but a lot longer than three years.

I couldn't agree more. They really do love spreading those costs across as many fiscal years as possible. It's frustrating.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Based on Iger and Rasulo's comments to investors, I don't think anything like DCA is even remotely on the horizon.
In the last 5 years, Rasulo's public statements have been wrong more often than they've been right.

If an investment like Carsland yields positive results they will make similar investments. It's why they keep building DVC's, they make the money back on the DVC's very quickly so they're easy decisions to make.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
The E for Tomorrowland at Disneyland is fully greenlit and underway.
The expansion into the ranch area isn't green, but has two potential attractions currently in development.

Well, at least there is good news for Disneyland on this busy day! :cool:

Disneyland USA = A new Tomorrowland E Ticket and attraction development for Big Thunder Ranch on the backside of Frontierland, all while DCA blows attendance and customer satisfaction ratings out of the water. I'll take it, even if TDO is too clueless to try and duplicate that West Coast success on the East Coast.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
By heritage, yes! By attendance no!

Attendance isn't what determines the flagship title, but the amount of things to do. That's why WDW is the flagship resort. It's got four parks, at least 20 resorts, golf courses, water parks, etc. It's the flagship resort by a mile. Disneyland has the most things to do in one park, more than any of the other Disney parks, making it the flagship park.
 

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