DHS to Get the DCA Treatment?

culturenthrills

Well-Known Member
Not just WDI... middle suites at TDO know the park has a big problem too.
Yeah, the park just has so many issues and now Universal has fast tracked the Transformers ride. They have many plans that they could go forward with but even if they did they would drag the construction out so long it just becomes ridiculous. Disney takes forever to build attractions. Not only is UNI doing it faster they are usually coming in under budget.
 

rct247

Well-Known Member
I will buy into the DHS getting the DCA treatment rumor. I just don't think it will be as big. I think giving DHS half of DCA's budget would even be grateful. I agree with what others have stated that TDO knows that DHS is struggling. Whoever made the comment about TDO trimming the fat until they have to start trimming the muscle, well, they have. Look at DHS over the past decade and then especially in the past few years. It is pretty evident with no more Soap Opera and ESPN Weekends. They failed when they tried to bring Grad Night & Night of Joy over to the studios. Block Party Bash was cut in favor of a less expensive parade. Fantasmic was cut to perform just a few nights a week to also cut down on operating hours. The Studio Backlot Tour is a shadow of its former self. Acts like Four For a Dollar and Luxo Jr. were cut. Even the Citizens of Hollywood saw reduced hours and rope drop ceremony was removed. Magic of Animation is a shadow of itself. Sounds Dangerous.and Prince Caspian were finally removed. American Idol has seen less showtimes. LMA at once time showed 3 shows a day and now only had 2.They've finally realized that they have started cutting into the muscle.

Just now are they trying to regain some strength back. Fantasmic is back to nightly performances at least. Muppet Vision was digitized and Star Tours got it's upgrade. I think those steps are part of the proof that Studios is changing or will change. Other changes like the name change to Disney's Hollywood Studios and the recent removal of the security booths to the "backlot" (near Star Tours and ABC Commissary) are also proof that the old theme no longer applies. The transition will just be slower than what most would like.

The success of DCA in terms of rebranding a park, specialized merchandise, emersive environments, new food options, and new attactions has not gone unnoticed. TDO already wants it's hands on Glow with the Show technology. TDO has noticed how both Potter merchandise and even Carland merchandise is selling very well. TDO is still just afraid to spend the money just in case it doesn't work as well as they had hoped.

DHS would benefit greatly from a DCA treatment especially when their competing studios park down the highway is blowing them out of the water with new entertainment, new attractions, record merchandise profit, and record attendance jumps. As many have also stated, there are some things that wouldn't take much thought to improve the park. The Star Tour revamp was one of them. A revamp to Fantasmic and The Great Movie Ride should also be looked at. Many of the buildings from Animation Courtyard through Pixar Place should be removed to allow those areas of the park to expand and breathe, but if that seems like a giant task, simple re-purposing would suffice. Voyage of the Little Mermaid could benefit from a new show featuring The Princess and the Frog and the wonderful music and characters it had. Pixar Place has gotten a great start with Toy Story Midway Mania, why stop there. People love Pixar, expand that section. What do you really have to lose? You also have Marvel now, so without using some of the forbidden characters, why not let some others appear on Streets of America? It would bring that part of the park back to life. It doesn't see much in terms of crowds unless LMA is dumping out or the Osborne Lights are up. Beauty and the Beast can get a new show once the FLE opens. Redo the Backlot Express Restaurant and Sounds Dangerous into a more cohesive Star Wars mini-land. The restaurant can easily become the cantina and the Jedi Training Academy can move to an indoor theater with perhaps some upgraded interaction so the kids could also talk to Yoda (similar to Crush and Monsters Inc). Finally, give us better parade, or least bring back Block Party Bash. Many of those ideas just require re-purposing space. Ideally, the park should be expanded the park with the layout redone, but that's wishful thinking.

I don't think we will see it branded as DHS being redone like DCA has been, but I do think over the next decade we will start to see some improvements, let's just hope its on the scale we all know the DHS deserves.
 

ADP2

Member
As much as I'd like to see DHS given the DCA treatment I don't see it coming anytime soon. Disney just spent 6 billion dollars over the past 4 years on DCL and the theme parks. Another 500 million could be spent on Avatarland. That's the equivelant of 6 to 7 major sports stadiums. Bob Igor was recently quoted as saying Disney will be pulling the throttle back on domestic theme park spending in the future after their current spending binge. A Carsland project at DHS could cost another 500 to 800 million. As much as I'd love to see a bunch of projects green lit at WDW....The current spending binge would lead me to believe they're done for a while until they can recoup some of the billions they just spent.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
But you gotta love the fact that DL goes right from DCA 2.0 to multiple E-Tickets all while small scale (would be huge in FLA) stuff continues like the new character meet and greet and the new stage show coming next summer. Oh, and the fact that with crowds like this that some aspect of DCA's Phase II makeover might just happen too.

Now ... why don't we all get excited because WDW has new planning APPS coming out next month as part of the NEXT GEN billion dollar boondoggle? 'Cause when I think of going to a theme park, I think of apps!

You forgot the new Frankenweenie film/exhibit attraction coming to DCA next month for Halloween. You know, to continue to balance out the crowds even more when Haunted Mansion Holiday and Space Mountain Ghost Galaxy open 100 yards away at Disneyland on September 14th for the Halloween season?

Lutz is the first person to mention a Frankenweenie seasonal attraction coming to DCA this year, but his track record is so solid that it's likely to happen. You have to marvel at the ideas and green lights that come tumbling out of TDA executive conference rooms with new ideas and fresh offerings the usual MO there. Why the same never seems to tumble out of TDO conference rooms, I will never understand. :confused:
 

menamechris

Well-Known Member
As much as I'd like to see DHS given the DCA treatment I don't see it coming anytime soon. Disney just spent 6 billion dollars over the past 4 years on DCL and the theme parks. Another 500 million could be spent on Avatarland. That's the equivelant of 6 to 7 major sports stadiums. Bob Igor was recently quoted as saying Disney will be pulling the throttle back on domestic theme park spending in the future after their current spending binge. A Carsland project at DHS could cost another 500 to 800 million. As much as I'd love to see a bunch of projects green lit at WDW....The current spending binge would lead me to believe they're done for a while until they can recoup some of the billions they just spent.

They aren't going to stop spending. They just don't see the value of spending at WDW. So except for Avatar - I am led to believe CA will just receive the whole pie. They may be spending $500 Million on Avatar, but between one (maybe two) huge attractions already in the greenlight for DL, a rumor of a third park in the coming decade, and more work on DCA, the spending doesn't seem to be letting up. It's just not be shared with the resort that makes the majority of that money.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Big deal. To many people, the Muppets will never be Disney. How many families think, "Oh boy, when I go to WDW, I want to meet Kermit the Frog"?
The people growing up with the "Disney" name before "The Muppets"
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doctornick

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I think Animal Kingdom is a bigger mess than Hollywood Studios. Besides Everest and the Safari, I can take or leave any other part of that park.

Totally disagree but to each their own. IMHO, DAK is easily the best themed of all the WDW parks and the most fun to just "walk around" in. It's got a solid layout and well defined lands. I know there's the complaints about a lack of shade -- I haven't been in a summer in years and I'm not as bothered by horrible heat, so it's less an issue with me, but I can understand the complaint especially given the general size of the park and the amount of walking you can do.

The problem with DAK is that it needs more rides. The good news is that there is at least announced plans to address that with Pandora. And I'd like to see more than just Pandora added (I've previously suggested a cartoony "Critter Country" which some Fantasyland level attractions featuring Disney animal characters) and a nighttime show is needed. But I think you can wonder around DAK, including the trails and around the Tree of Life and just be occupied for a long time with the scenery and looking for animals. YMMV.

That's sort of the interesting thing is how there's a lot of opinions over what is good or bad about the parks. Most everyone would agree that improvements should be made to DAK and DHS and Epcot, but there's a huge spectrum of opinions as to what needs it most and what is needed (well, besides more/better rides).
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
DAK is a great park to enjoy at a slow pace.

But to enjoy the place, it helps if you're a local with unlimited time or an APer or someone who got in for free.

And if it's not summer.

But IMO having to pay as much to visit DAK as the other parks in, say, July is laughable. (Then again a $1000+ vacation to Orlando during the summer makes my head spin.)

Disney apparently at one time--late 80s, I assume--contemplated charging less to visit MGM than MK and Epcot. But of course they didn't do this because they didn't want to perception to be that one of the parks was weaker than the others (even if that was the case). It's too bad they didn't follow through with this policy, because if they charged less for a DAK ticket, I think a lot more people would appreciate what it has to offer.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
The problem with DAK is that it needs more rides

I agree with your opinion that DAK is better off, mostly because of the themes. Imo, it's the most immersive park in wdw, it just, like you said needs more rides.

The same can go for DHS too, which only has six rides technically.

But the type of rides that I would really want at both of these parks are just some simple dark rides. Just a few c-ticket style dark rides where my family and I can go to cool off. Part of the problem with DAK at least is a lot of the attractions are outdoors, and in the florida heat, people get tired out in the hot sun all day. A good balance of indoor and outdoor rides is why DAK needs. They don't all have to be thrills (although i'd like Pandora to have at least one big ticket attraction). Just a few small rides to balance out the park. And they used to have a riverboat around the discovery river, if i rememeber right back when the park opened. Does anyone know why they closed it? Was the ride not garnering enough attendance? was it too long? I was wondering because even though it's outdoors, that's a simple ride that could still be in use at DAK.
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
Guys, I know some of you would love for Cars Land to come to Florida but I hope it stays exclusive to California. DCA got off to a really, really bad start and ever since Cars Land came and pretty much saved the entire park, its become the heart and soul. Let it stay in California, please. Wouldn't you want something original anyway? That's why I'm glad Westcot was scrapped. The MK is great but I always hear fans saying Epcot is the best park on the property. I wouldn't want something of the same bloodlines in California, since it very dear to WDW fans.
It's been a long, bumpy road, but I like the Disneyland Resort that we got! On the whole, I'm glad that we have the cool DCA that we have now instead of Westcot. However, I do think the more demanding Disneyland fans would have kept Westcot, and by extension Epcot, more up-to-date. Look at what happened with the small fixes that DCA's Mermaid got (and will be in MK's when it opens). If that's an MK-only attraction, NO WAY do those things get changed. No way.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
It's been a long, bumpy road, but I like the Disneyland Resort that we got! On the whole, I'm glad that we have the cool DCA that we have now instead of Westcot. However, I do think the more demanding Disneyland fans would have kept Westcot, and by extension Epcot, more up-to-date. Look at what happened with the small fixes that DCA's Mermaid got (and will be in MK's when it opens). If that's an MK-only attraction, NO WAY do those things get changed. No way.

I'm happy with the Disneyland Resort too and I think you are so right! I said this a long time ago but I'll say it again; when we (Disneyland fans) say jump, TDA says how high? I'm glad Disneyland fans are more demanding and hardcore too, helps us get what we want. No doubt Westcot would have been different than Epcot.
 

c-one

Well-Known Member
My apologies. I didn't mean to exclude the Disney name. But if there were a "Hollywood Studios" "land" according to this set up, I can't imagine keeping the name of the park "Hollywood Studios". It'd be like Fantasyland being called Magic Kingdom inside Magic Kingdom.

As for the rest, if they could actually section it off to visit different studios as was proposed with more attractions & rides then I don't see how it would be very different from what DHS already has. Other than Pixar Place, it's hard to generalize where you are in DHS in terms of "lands" to me. Giving each a studio name doesn't sound all that theme-altering to me.
It used to be "the Disney Studios" on those old planning videotapes in the early 90s...
 

c-one

Well-Known Member
DAK is a great park to enjoy at a slow pace.

But to enjoy the place, it helps if you're a local with unlimited time or an APer or someone who got in for free.

And if it's not summer.

But IMO having to pay as much to visit DAK as the other parks in, say, July is laughable. (Then again a $1000+ vacation to Orlando during the summer makes my head spin.)

Disney apparently at one time--late 80s, I assume--contemplated charging less to visit MGM than MK and Epcot. But of course they didn't do this because they didn't want to perception to be that one of the parks was weaker than the others (even if that was the case). It's too bad they didn't follow through with this policy, because if they charged less for a DAK ticket, I think a lot more people would appreciate what it has to offer.
A better idea would be making it such that all the parks actually DO have an equal amount of quality.
 

c-one

Well-Known Member
Just curious -- how long has the Monsters Inc. Door Coaster rumor been kicking around? Has to be about 8 years now, right?
 

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