Brian Swan
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It would be nice if they could do something with it. But they're going to have to do some sort of major media blitz to get those of us who watched the first few episodes and gave up on it back...
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DHS Makeover - What we know so far.....
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Brian Swan
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And from a practical (i.e. cost savings) perspective, a Monstropolis overlay of the current SOA would not be a difficult thing to do. Converting MM to Harry's would essentially be no more than an interior decorating refurb - also easy, quick, and relatively inexpensive. And although not entirely in keeping with Marni's color-coded map, there is plenty of room at the end of SOA (i.e. the LMA area) to house a large "dark ride" building...
Brian Swan
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I agree entirely. Although for me the new series is a flop, I think turning that whole "plaza' area by M3D into a unified Muppets-themed area is a great idea. Revamp the movie, convert the old Pizza Planet into a Muppets CM, keep the Muppets store, add some more "streetmosphere" and M&Gs, even a Muppets-themed kids "playland". Although I'd LOVE to see a high-thrill SW coaster and the legendary-but-never-built Doors coaster, the park needs more "family" attractions to keep it balanced.
Brian Swan
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The last time I saw Indy was about a year ago. It was a relatively "low crowd" day, and although I don't think they turned anyone away, there weren't very many empty seats in the arena...
Brian Swan
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I love both classic Disney and DCA, but I think you overstate the presence of one in the other. Oswald's presence is little more than a gift shop. Silly Symphonies are just an out of the box swings ride with "Band Concert" artwork painted on, and other than Mickey's face on the wonder wheel, he's virtually non-existent in DCA. I'm happy to see at least an homage to the early IPs, but saying that developing areas and rides around them is a bit of an overstatement.
elchippo
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Maybe "giving them a presence" would be a more accurate statement then
Brian Swan
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A land based on the Alice comedies? I'm a pretty hard-core fan of early Disney, but I can't begin to imagine a "land" based on these. Perhaps I am showing my ignorance, but I don't know who S W Wilson is, and this "idealized" map seems to have nothing to do with any of the "more concrete" plans that have been announced/discussed. Toyville? Metroville?Well, this idealized version of a DHS expansion (http://www.themeparktourist.com/features/20140703/19010/ideal-build-out-disney-hollywoodland-park) contained something called Timeless River, a land based upon the original black-and-white shorts Disney did. However, since the drawing places the land where a good chunk of Toy Story Land will be, I don't think it would be feasible.
Eoghann
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Those ratings are a bit misleading because they're an average. Muppets started out incredibly strong but dropped like a stone and it's not clear if the show has found its level yet. Currently it's doing considerably less than that average suggests. They're not horrible ratings, but I suspect the show is rather expensive when compared to other 30 minute comedies.
Which is probably why the "extended a limited run season" and there's been no word yet on a second season. A lot rides on the tweaking that is being done for the additional episodes.
gonzoWDW
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True, I was going to link the Muppets' episode ratings, but thought that might be better for context. Personally, I have no idea what those ratings mean, but it help to see it compared to shows I know are considered strong, like Modern Family. Also, I thought it was interesting that the ratings are comparable to Agents of Shield. Isn't that show considered a success?
Eoghann
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Successful but not really a hit. It's heavily supported by being part of the Avengers franchise but it's not the tentpole of that franchise. It does better than Castle or Nashville so it keeps getting renewed, but it pales compared to a real hit like Scandal.
However, again those averages are misleading. For its last two episodes before Christmas SHIELD scored 1.31 and 1.35 in the key 18-49 demo (the one the advertisers care about) Muppets managed only 1.06 and 1.06. Again not disastrously bad, but the problem is this was supposed to be the tentpole of a franchise.
Disney really, really want this to work. They know there's an audience, which is why the ratings were so good (2.87!) for that first episode. They just can't seem to find the right tone.
Matt_Black
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I'd be interested to see what they were against those nights where the ratings were low. A lot of Christmas specials and other events around that time, if memory serves.
Eoghann
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If that was an isolated case maybe but the trend for Muppets was down. The two weeks prior to that it was 1.21 and 1.19. And in those four weeks, only once were they head to head against a Christmas special (Rudolph). The trend is bad and there was no real sign that the bleeding had stopped before the mid-season break.
Fox&Hound
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If they did go with a Monsters Inc Land I could see it taking a page out of SW Land and having roving monsters throughout the land- headed to work and such.
A big question I have is if they go with Monsters Inc as a mini land, does that mean we get the much discussed door coaster?????
According to an outdated article I found from a few years ago, here was a description of the door coaster ride "
Here, they'll find an elaborate recreation of the Monsters, Inc. lobby. With Ceilia (You know? Mike Wazowski's one-eyed, snake-haired girlfriend?) working behind the reception desk. Given that this attraction will be set in the post-film world (After monsters have learned that laughter is 10 times more powerful than screams), Monsters, Inc. is holding an open house today. Actually inviting humans in the Monster world to come tour their energy-gathering facility.
Speaking of energy-gathering ... As they make their way through the queue, Disney World visitors will periodically encounter scream / laugh cannisters with funnels sticking up out of them. These Guests will then be encouraged to scream / laugh into these funnels. Which will cause the sides of these cannisters to light up and reveal how much energy was just gathered.
As they make their way up to the attraction's load area, these WDW visitors will learn that this Open House is all Mike Wazowski's idea. That -- along the route that their coaster is supposed to travel through the Door Hangar -- this wiley one-eyed monster has placed even more scream / laugh cannisters. Which will then collect all of the energy that these humans produce as they scream & laugh their way through this attraction.
These Guests will then board a train that's two seats wide and eight-to-ten cars long. After chugging up the lifthill past show scenes where Mike & Sulley will quickly recap the backstory of this attraction, these WDW visitors will drop down into the Door Hangar building. Where they then quickly whip past various comic tableaus featuring some of the more memorable characters from the "Monsters, Inc." film. Not to mention some far-too-close encounters with huge scare / laugh cannisters (Whose sides -- once again reinforcing this attraction's interactive aspect -- will light up depending on how loudly the Guests on board that particular coaster train scream).
Copyright 2001 Disney Pixar. All Rights Reserved
As for the finale of this two-minute-long attraction ... Well, it seems that these Disney World visitors will produce so much energy with all of their screams & laughter that the cannisters in the Door Hangar just can't contain it all. So there's this huge explosion near the end with bright lights & smoke. And just before their train rolls back into the station, these Guests will see a slightly charred versions of Mike & Sulley. With Wazowski telling his big blue friend "I think we need to get some bigger cannisters."
Now granted, this was from Jim Hill...I know, I know, but still. I could see a lot this being in the door coaster if they even build it. Kids screaming into canisters in the queue sounds like an awful idea. Not sure if it would make sense but I thought it would be INCREDIBLE if the door coaster somehow shot guests into different doors and so different rooms could be themed to different areas: a kids bedroom, frozen wasteland, Epcot, etc. down the road they could change out some of the rooms and add a repeatability factor to the ride since some of the rooms could be ever changing...
End of rant. I really hope they go with a monsters inc land- man that could be awesome.
Either way, we can all agree this will be a brand new park in 5-10 years!
A big question I have is if they go with Monsters Inc as a mini land, does that mean we get the much discussed door coaster?????
According to an outdated article I found from a few years ago, here was a description of the door coaster ride "
Here, they'll find an elaborate recreation of the Monsters, Inc. lobby. With Ceilia (You know? Mike Wazowski's one-eyed, snake-haired girlfriend?) working behind the reception desk. Given that this attraction will be set in the post-film world (After monsters have learned that laughter is 10 times more powerful than screams), Monsters, Inc. is holding an open house today. Actually inviting humans in the Monster world to come tour their energy-gathering facility.
Speaking of energy-gathering ... As they make their way through the queue, Disney World visitors will periodically encounter scream / laugh cannisters with funnels sticking up out of them. These Guests will then be encouraged to scream / laugh into these funnels. Which will cause the sides of these cannisters to light up and reveal how much energy was just gathered.
As they make their way up to the attraction's load area, these WDW visitors will learn that this Open House is all Mike Wazowski's idea. That -- along the route that their coaster is supposed to travel through the Door Hangar -- this wiley one-eyed monster has placed even more scream / laugh cannisters. Which will then collect all of the energy that these humans produce as they scream & laugh their way through this attraction.
These Guests will then board a train that's two seats wide and eight-to-ten cars long. After chugging up the lifthill past show scenes where Mike & Sulley will quickly recap the backstory of this attraction, these WDW visitors will drop down into the Door Hangar building. Where they then quickly whip past various comic tableaus featuring some of the more memorable characters from the "Monsters, Inc." film. Not to mention some far-too-close encounters with huge scare / laugh cannisters (Whose sides -- once again reinforcing this attraction's interactive aspect -- will light up depending on how loudly the Guests on board that particular coaster train scream).
Copyright 2001 Disney Pixar. All Rights Reserved
As for the finale of this two-minute-long attraction ... Well, it seems that these Disney World visitors will produce so much energy with all of their screams & laughter that the cannisters in the Door Hangar just can't contain it all. So there's this huge explosion near the end with bright lights & smoke. And just before their train rolls back into the station, these Guests will see a slightly charred versions of Mike & Sulley. With Wazowski telling his big blue friend "I think we need to get some bigger cannisters."
Now granted, this was from Jim Hill...I know, I know, but still. I could see a lot this being in the door coaster if they even build it. Kids screaming into canisters in the queue sounds like an awful idea. Not sure if it would make sense but I thought it would be INCREDIBLE if the door coaster somehow shot guests into different doors and so different rooms could be themed to different areas: a kids bedroom, frozen wasteland, Epcot, etc. down the road they could change out some of the rooms and add a repeatability factor to the ride since some of the rooms could be ever changing...
End of rant. I really hope they go with a monsters inc land- man that could be awesome.
Either way, we can all agree this will be a brand new park in 5-10 years!
Matt_Black
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Ah, but part of that "trend" included being up against the MLB playoffs a few times. As there were more teams from major markets in the game this year as opposed to previous years (i.e., people in many big cities actually gave a crap about baseball this year), many shows took a hit.
disneygeek90
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Man I would absolutely love a Monstropolis. Even though I love Toy Story, I would probably prefer it over TSL. But even so, any additions to HS is welcomed at this point.
Hula Popper
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You might have missed it but the backlot tour closed 16 months ago.
jt04
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Yes, now I remember. That is when some of us were talking them down from the misguided Carsland clone. As long as they get it right....
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