DHS CARS LAND

Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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Next Big Thing said:
Honestly just sucking it up and spending that money would be a lot more worth it than trying to keep these things chugging along. At what point do you just finally say it's not worth it?
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WDW has record crowds.

Speechless.

Then again, these are the same folks that cheer at flooding our country with high powered fire arms while screaming at the top of their lungs if a crazy person gets a dollar of help. What could possibly go wrong?
 
George

George

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Bocabear said:
The Walt Disney Company's success was all based on their animation division...Why wouldn't the Animation Courtyard and Magic Of Animation section of this park be absolutely amazing and jaw dropping?? Why would this ever be allowed to languish into Meet and Greet space? None of this makes any sense to me...
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What if it were part of a master plan to have the whole resort slowly become a Meet and Greet space by 2050?
 
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doctornick

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Amy Brewer said:
Sorry if it has been asked before but I can't work out if its true, are they getting rid of LMA for Cars Land?
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Probably some day, but not necessarily imminent. It seems likely that some Cars stuff will come to DHS and the LMA/Catastrophe Canyon area is the most likely place, but it's probably up in the air what that would involve and when it would happen.
 
ProfSavage

ProfSavage

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cheezbat

cheezbat

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Wikkler said:
Well, let's see...

  1. Tower of Terror
  2. Toy Story Midway Mania
  3. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster
  4. Star Tours: The Adventures Continue
  5. The Great Movie Ride
  6. Muppet*Vision 3-D
  7. Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular
  8. Lights, Motors, Action! Extreme Stunt Show
  9. Beauty and the Beast: Live on Stage
  10. Voyage of the Little Mermaid
  11. Disney Junior - Live on Stage!
  12. Walt Disney: One Man's Dream
  13. The Magic of Disney Animation
I understand that different people have different tastes and locals have done everything already, but for a first timer there's enough to fill more than an afternoon...
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First time or not...these numbers disgust me.

5 rides
7 shows(counting Frozen)
2 walkthroughs

That's the entire park. $100 a day to visit this place? An absolute travesty. There needs to be about 8 more rides and three new shows(close about 4 or 5 of the old ones) to really make this a worthwhile park again.

I can't wait for the day when one of the Universal parks beats this one in attendance. Then maybe Disney will finally get off its butt.
 
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doctornick

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MarkTwain said:
This is 100% true. Many Imagineers talk about taking a trip to WDW as if it's as exotic or out-of-the-way as making a trip to Hong Kong.

Simply put, an awareness of what's going in Orlando isn't there for most of WDI. And unfortunately, many of WDI's decisions (like the recent changes for Disneyland's 60th, or even the DCA makeover) begin with an awareness of a need.
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So, this makes me wonder about something... Can someone explain how WDI is setup? I know they are headquartered in California (Glendale) but I always kinda thought that was more an administrative headquarters and R&D type place. Aren't there WDI offices at the various parks worldwide where individuals would be assigned to specific parks? I guess what I'm saying is, aren't there Imagineers who work in Florida permanently (not just going there for a specific project) and would be advocating or managing projects for those parks?
 
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doctornick

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cheezbat said:
First time or not...these numbers disgust me.

5 rides
7 shows(counting Frozen)
2 walkthroughs
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By comparison with Epcot:
9 rides (+1 being rebuilt) [plus Sum of all Thrills]
7 shows
a lot of streetmosphere entertainment
various walkthroughs (various WS pavilions, Innoventions, Living Seas, Imageworks, Agent P, etc.)
 
MarkTwain

MarkTwain

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doctornick said:
So, this makes me wonder about something... Can someone explain how WDI is setup? I know they are headquartered in California (Glendale) but I always kinda thought that was more an administrative headquarters and R&D type place. Aren't there WDI offices at the various parks worldwide where individuals would be assigned to specific parks? I guess what I'm saying is, aren't there Imagineers who work in Florida permanently (not just going there for a specific project) and would be advocating or managing projects for those parks?
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You aren't wrong, there are indeed satellite branches of WDI at each of the resort locations.

That said, most of those branches aren't of tremendous significance, in terms of major decisions made, or the kind of decisions we mostly care about on these forums. Anything major or large scale, such as Pandora or a potential Cars Land (or even the Jungle Cruise restaurant), would be planned or decided in Glendale. The Orlando branch mostly consists of people that work on projects requiring intimate familiarity with a site or constant site visits — the fence additions at the resort pools, perhaps. Guardrails, Benches, things like that; maybe a small refurb or new bathroom here or there. Larger refurbs (like Maelstrom -> Frozen) are still designed in Glendale.

(Criticism time)

The problem with this centralized/remote decision-making, as some have mentioned, is that there ends up being a lack of familiarity with the park being worked on. Glendale WDI constantly shifts Imagineers back and forth depending on how projects open up and where staffing is needed.

So you're a Glendale Imagineer who just wrapped up his project for Hong Kong, and now an Animal Kingdom project opened up. You're put on Animal Kingdom now. Have you ever even been to Animal Kingdom? Maybe not. Doesn't matter really, many of the people you're working with haven't. Or you just helped finish Tokyo's Frozen land and Frozen-Maelstrom still needs work, so you're transferred to the Epcot project. Okay, so you've never actually been to Epcot, but it's still Frozen, right? Big difference.

Well, yes it is. This is how nuances of places get lost. There is no sense by many Imagineers of what the special quirks or characteristics of the original Norway pavilion consist of, or even necessarily why the Norway pavilion matters at all (vs. just being another "Frozen project.") This is how differences that make coast-to-coast attractions unique slowly blend together and disappear.

Note: This doesn't always happen though; many Imagineers do their research, or someone will speak up about why a certain thing matters, etc. But not always. Often those people aren't in the right decision to call those shots, people are ignored while decisions are made, so on. And those more experienced Imagineers are constantly retiring or *ahem* otherwise leaving.
 
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doctornick

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MarkTwain said:
You aren't wrong, there are indeed satellite branches of WDI at each of the resort locations.

That said, most of those branches aren't of tremendous significance, in terms of major decisions made, or the kind of decisions we mostly care about on these forums. Anything major or large scale, such as Pandora or a potential Cars Land (or even the Jungle Cruise restaurant), would be planned or decided in Glendale. The Orlando branch mostly consists of people that work on projects requiring intimate familiarity with a site or constant site visits — the fence additions at the resort pools, perhaps. Guardrails, Benches, things like that; maybe a small refurb or new bathroom here or there. Larger refurbs (like Maelstrom -> Frozen) are still designed in Glendale.

(Criticism time)

The problem with this centralized/remote decision-making, as some have mentioned, is that there ends up being a lack of familiarity with the park being worked on. Glendale WDI constantly shifts Imagineers back and forth depending on how projects open up and where staffing is needed.

So you're a Glendale Imagineer who just wrapped up his project for Hong Kong, and now an Animal Kingdom project opened up. You're put on Animal Kingdom now. Have you ever even been to Animal Kingdom? Maybe not. Doesn't matter really, many of the people you're working with haven't. Or you just helped finish Tokyo's Frozen land and Frozen-Maelstrom still needs work, so you're transferred to the Epcot project. Okay, so you've never actually been to Epcot, but it's still Frozen, right? Big difference.*

Well, yes it is. This is how nuances of places get lost. There is no sense by many Imagineers of what the special quirks or characteristics of the original Norway pavilion consist of, or even necessarily why the Norway pavilion matters at all (vs. just being another "Frozen project.") This is how differences that make coast-to-coast attractions unique slowly blend together and disappear.

Note: This doesn't always happen though; many Imagineers do their research, or someone will speak up about why a certain thing matters, etc. But not always. Often those people aren't in the right decision to call those shots, people are ignored while decisions are made, so on. And those more experienced Imagineers are constantly retiring or *ahem* otherwise leaving.

*Everyone sure knows Disneyland though; that maingate makes it a great weekend hangout. And as a result, everyone wants to work on Disneyland too — imagine being able to do your site visit and be back home by 6pm instead of having to fly overseas for a week.
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Okay. It does seem like a poor setup. I guess it doesn't make sense to me that with 4 parks that wouldn't be a huge WDI presence in Orlando which would work semi-autonomously and having a lot of permanent staff intimately familiar with those parks.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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MarkTwain said:
You aren't wrong, there are indeed satellite branches of WDI at each of the resort locations.

That said, most of those branches aren't of tremendous significance, in terms of major decisions made, or the kind of decisions we mostly care about on these forums. Anything major or large scale, such as Pandora or a potential Cars Land (or even the Jungle Cruise restaurant), would be planned or decided in Glendale. The Orlando branch mostly consists of people that work on projects requiring intimate familiarity with a site or constant site visits — the fence additions at the resort pools, perhaps. Guardrails, Benches, things like that; maybe a small refurb or new bathroom here or there. Larger refurbs (like Maelstrom -> Frozen) are still designed in Glendale.

(Criticism time)

The problem with this centralized/remote decision-making, as some have mentioned, is that there ends up being a lack of familiarity with the park being worked on. Glendale WDI constantly shifts Imagineers back and forth depending on how projects open up and where staffing is needed.

So you're a Glendale Imagineer who just wrapped up his project for Hong Kong, and now an Animal Kingdom project opened up. You're put on Animal Kingdom now. Have you ever even been to Animal Kingdom? Maybe not. Doesn't matter really, many of the people you're working with haven't. Or you just helped finish Tokyo's Frozen land and Frozen-Maelstrom still needs work, so you're transferred to the Epcot project. Okay, so you've never actually been to Epcot, but it's still Frozen, right? Big difference.

Well, yes it is. This is how nuances of places get lost. There is no sense by many Imagineers of what the special quirks or characteristics of the original Norway pavilion consist of, or even necessarily why the Norway pavilion matters at all (vs. just being another "Frozen project.") This is how differences that make coast-to-coast attractions unique slowly blend together and disappear.

Note: This doesn't always happen though; many Imagineers do their research, or someone will speak up about why a certain thing matters, etc. But not always. Often those people aren't in the right decision to call those shots, people are ignored while decisions are made, so on. And those more experienced Imagineers are constantly retiring or *ahem* otherwise leaving.
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There also seems to be more and more third parties brought in who do not really care about or get themed entertainment, particularly when it comes to the notion of things being "Disney."
 

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