DHS CARS LAND

[Next Big Thing]

Uh, as much as I love Epcot.... gotta be blind if youre not realizing how much of a dumpster fire DHS is these days....

I mean in terms of just what is in DHS, as @Disneyhead'71 was getting to in the post I quoted. The attractions there are all very solid at the moment. But i'm speaking of the operating attractions, which there are very few these days in DHS. The old hollywood area of the park is very well themed as well. The park is just in a VERY odd point in it's life where there's almost as much closed as there is open and there's a lot of wasted space throughout the entire park.

Don't mistake my post for meaning Epcot needs attention before DHS though. The point of the post was to say that the current lineup of attractions, while sad in how few there are, is solid for what it is. DHS needs MASSIVE expansion. While I think Epcot is a mess of a park, it has enough side things to do to detract from the lack of rides, whereas DHS doesn't have that. The park simply NEEDS expansion, but it has a good foundation to build upon.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I mean in terms of just what is in DHS, as @Disneyhead'71 was getting to in the post I quoted. The attractions there are all very solid at the moment. But i'm speaking of the operating attractions, which there are very few these days in DHS. The old hollywood area of the park is very well themed as well. The park is just in a VERY odd point in it's life where there's almost as much closed as there is open and there's a lot of wasted space throughout the entire park.

Don't mistake my post for meaning Epcot needs attention before DHS, the point of the post was to say that the current lineup of attractions, while sad in how few there are, is solid for what it is. DHS needs MASSIVE expansion. While I think Epcot is a mess of a park, it has enough side things to do to detract from the lack of rides, whereas DHS doesn't have that. The park simply NEEDS expansion.

What attractions? DHS aint got spit.

 

[Progress.City]

I've had this argument more than once. Search through my 19,949 other posts to find my points on it. DHS is so bad, it couldn't find water if it fell out a boat.

Epcot, while neglected, still outdraws every other park in town but MK.

I edited my post and added a few paragraphs with examples of my positions. Please read and comment.

 

[Next Big Thing]

What attractions? DHS aint got spit.

Now you're just being dense.

ToT, RNRC, GMR, TSMM and ST is all the rides the park has, but they are all D/E Tickets. All of those ride's are very worthy rides, but no park can survive on 5 rides and about the same number of shows. The park needs a massive ride increase, but at the same time, the ride's need to be quality.

Another problem is out of the 5 rides, only 2 of them are rides the entire family can go on together.

 

[Next Big Thing]

But i'd still consider that attraction line-up better than what Epcot is currently trotting out there @PhotoDave219. DHS just doesn't have the World Showcase to sidetrack people though.

 

[Progress.City]

Let's examine the condition of Future World -

Space Ship Earth - Recent redo was good except to decent sequence (wt*?). Even my sister (who does not frequent these forums and who was unaware of the changes) commented that the redo was "exciting" and that she couldn't wait until until the construction was finished. When I told her the construction was finished, she didn't believe me. I told her the story of them running out of money and couldn't finish it. She kept saying "how tacky" and keeps bringing it up from time to time.

Living Seas - my sister and I agree that this is about the only thing that hasn't been neglected. But as soon as you enter Sea Bass Alpha, the 1986 color scheme completely fails and shows the neglect of the rest of the pavilion.

The Land - Soaring done on the cheap with terrible film quality. The addition, again, does not match the 1982 color scheme of the rest of the pavilion.

Imagination - Everything is wrong, neglected, embarrassing.

Universe of Energy - Terribly outdated. The "wireless" phone that is bigger than Ellen's head is a disgraceful embarrassment.

Mission: Space - Great ride system but the smell of puke ruins it. No educational value. Needs rethinking.

Test Track 2.0 - The only ride that hasn't been fully neglected and the only thing at FW that is not an embarrassment!

Wonders of Life - Completely neglected and shuttered down.

That's six of seven FW attractions that are neglected either partially or entirely!

 

[PhotoDave219]

I edited my post and added a few paragraphs with examples of my positions. Please read and comment.

Well I agree with that. The whole plaza looks awful but at the end of the day, its a plaza. Its on the list of things to correct. Innoventions needs new life, Imagination needs.... well Imagination and UOE needs a major overhaul. Beyond that? The park is holding its own. You still have four headliners in Soarin, Track, M:S & SSE. World Showcase is in rather good shape, minus some(the moderators wouldnt approve of my description) over in canada.

Neglected? In some instances. Worse than the disaster that is DHS? Noooooooope.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Now you're just being dense.

ToT, RNRC, GMR, TSMM and ST is all the rides the park has, but they are all D/E Tickets. All of those ride's are very worthy rides, but no park can survive on 5 rides and about the same number of shows. The park needs a massive ride increase, but at the same time, the ride's need to be quality.

Another problem is out of the 5 rides, only 2 of them are rides the entire family can go on together.

Totally agree. But thats way Worse than Epcot.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Totally agree. But thats way Worse than Epcot.

I never disagreed with that sentiment. My point from the beginning was that I felt Epcot was in worse condition and while DHS has a good base to work with, it's in much more need of immediate help as it's a smaller park.

Future World has more attractions (even if many of them happen to be pretty crappy) and for all intents and purposes, an entire SECOND PARK latched on to it, so it's much more able to sustain itself right now.

 

[Matt_Black]

To be fair, Disney was also a much smaller company back then. They didn't own Pixar, LucasFilm, Marvel, ABC or ESPN, they didn't produce Broadway theatre, etc.

 

[Progress.City]

Well I agree with that. The whole plaza looks awful but at the end of the day, its a plaza. Its on the list of things to correct. Innoventions needs new life, Imagination needs.... well Imagination and UOE needs a major overhaul. Beyond that? The park is holding its own. You still have four headliners in Soarin, Track, M:S & SSE. World Showcase is in rather good shape, minus some(the moderators wouldnt approve of my description) over in canada.

Neglected? In some instances. Worse than the disaster that is DHS? Noooooooope.

Read what I just posted (the update to the message I started writing above and posted by accident). I list all the pavilions at FW. All but one have been neglected either partially or entirely. That's five out of six. Not good for a company that makes billions and billions in profits annually. There's no excuse that could justify that!

EDIT - I forgot WOL. So, that's actually 6 of 7 neglected pavilions!

 

[PhotoDave219]

Read what I just posted (the update to the message I started writing above and posted by accident). I list all the pavilions at FW. All but one have been neglected either partially or entirely. That's five out of six. Not good for a company that makes billions and billions in profits annually. There's no excuse that could justify that!

EDIT - I forgot WOL. So, that's actually 6 of 7 neglected pavilions!

I'm not doing this.

Nothing personal, I just don't have the energy.

 

[Progress.City]

I'm not doing this.

Nothing personal, I just don't have the energy.

I understand. I got my point across, I think. I understand where you're coming from. You are coming from the total packages of the parks. When you throw in WS as part of EC and the fact that billions of dollars were spent over the years constructing EC and that DHS could easily fit inside EC in the same footprint as about three WS pavilions, I see your point. Besides that and besides TT 2.0, the actual attractions at DHS - TZToT, RRRC, TSMM, Star Tours 2.0, and now GMR being updated, nothing really in that park has been neglected, compared to EC!

 

[PhotoDave219]

I understand. I got my point across, I think. I understand where you're coming from. You are coming from the total packages of the parks. When you throw in WS as part of EC and the fact that billions of dollars were spent over the years constructing EC and that DHS could easily fit inside EC in the same footprint as about three WS pavilions, I see your point. Besides that and besides TT 2.0, the actual attractions at DHS - TZToT, RRRC, TSMM, Star Tours 2.0, and now GMR being updated, nothing really in that park has been neglected, compared to EC!

I'm not disagreeing that Epcot Has been neglected for the past 10 years. That's pretty obvious.

I'm just saying that while Epcot has been neglected, studios have been neglected more and In a far worse condition.

 

[Progress.City]

I think I can settle this argument. Can we all agree that DHS needs EXPANSION (and retheming in order to get such expansion to fit), while EPCOT needs lots and lots and lots of TLC for Future World and expansion of WS (including new rides in some of current pavilions plus new pavilions in the several vacant lots there)?

 

[Progress.City]

I'm not disagreeing that Epcot Has been neglected for the past 10 years. That's pretty obvious.

I'm just saying that while Epcot has been neglected, studios have been neglected more and In a far worse condition.

But not the existing rides. The actual rides between the two parks are in far worse shape at EC. But Studios is in desperate need for more rides.

 

[FigmentForver96]

But not the existing rides. The actual rides between the two parks are in far worse shape at EC. But Studios is in desperate need for more rides.

Yea pretty much every ride in EC has some sort of broken element. Nemo, LWTL, SE, JII, TT, MS, etc. Honestly the best looking ride in there was probably SE, but then again it is hit and miss.

 

[Progress.City]

Yea pretty much every ride in EC has some sort of broken element. Nemo, LWTL, SE, JII, TT, MS, etc. Honestly the best looking ride in there was probably SE, but then again it is hit and miss.

Not TT 2.0? SE is missing the descent sequence and people who don't follow these forums (like my sister) even noticed it!

 

[FigmentForver96]

Eh we went in February and there was a few issues with Test Track. Nothing just glaring if you haven't rode multiple times, but the audio was cutting out right after the Efficiency Test. We went through the entire section without any sound whatsoever not even a narration. SE, like I said hit and miss. The decent is a totally different issue that I don't considered "broken" just neglected. I mostly refer to everything before the decent.

 

[Progress.City]

Eh we went in February and there was a few issues with Test Track. Nothing just glaring if you haven't rode multiple times, but the audio was cutting out right after the Efficiency Test. We went through the entire section without any sound whatsoever not even a narration. SE, like I said hit and miss. The decent is a totally different issue that I don't considered "broken" just neglected. I mostly refer to everything before the decent.

When I was there, TT was working perfectly. The audio problem was probably the "problem of the day" and is probably no big issue. As for SE, the conversation was about neglect and the descent screams neglect and mismanagement. It was mismanagement as far as going over budget and not finishing it. The same issue happened with Space Mountain. We have Meg to blame for both.