Destination D: Amazing Adventures, at Contemporary Nov 19-20, 2016

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Since the S.E.A. was mentioned, I figured I would list out the existing S.E.A. related properties for "reasons" :)

Please correct me if any of these are wrong, or if I'm missing anything.

Jungle Cruise- every Disneyland/MK park (I believe?)
The Adventurer's Club- (now closed) WDW
The Explorer's Club - HKDL
Mystic Manor- HKDL
Mysterious Island- TDS
Fortress Explorations - TDS
Tower of Terror- TDS (Harrison Hightower)
Skipper Canteen- WDW
Captain Nemo (20,000 leagues) walkthrough area - DLP (I haven't been there)
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I guess Imagineering took on the challenge of making bus service even more intolerable and obnoxious. Two minutes and I would be pulling the emergency release on the windows to hurl my body to the pavent on World drive.

I feel terrible for anyone with a loved one who is autistic and sensitive to stimuli. Ugh.

Or anyone prone to seizures possibly
 

djkidkaz

Well-Known Member
So what was discussed at this event today in regards to avatar land? Any new information or concept art shown today with Cameron there? All I saw was a 5 second clip of navi animatronic.
 

Rteetz

Well-Known Member
So what was discussed at this event today in regards to avatar land? Any new information or concept art shown today with Cameron there? All I saw was a 5 second clip of navi animatronic.
Apparently some photos of inside the land were shown I believe, like actual photos of the land.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Since the S.E.A. was mentioned, I figured I would list out the existing S.E.A. related properties for "reasons" :)

Please correct me if any of these are wrong, or if I'm missing anything.

Jungle Cruise- every Disneyland/MK park (I believe?)
The Adventurer's Club- (now closed) WDW
The Explorer's Club - HKDL
Mystic Manor- HKDL
Mysterious Island- TDS
Fortress Explorations - TDS
Tower of Terror- TDS (Harrison Hightower)
Skipper Canteen- WDW
Captain Nemo (20,000 leagues) walkthrough area - DLP (I haven't been there)

The Wikia on SEA has more, such as Jock Lindsey and Big Thunder Mt.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
At this point, Marvel and Star Wars are authentic Disney. As much as people now think of Pixar as being Disney.

Don't forget that a lot of what you may consider to be authentic Disney were public domain or bought properties. Alice in Wonderland, Mary Poppins, Pooh, Beauty and the Beast, Peter Pan, The Little Mermaid, the Ice Queen (Elsa), etc... were all adaptations of other people's works. Mickey and friends are one of the few original Disney IPs.

The time will come when you'll be talking to a twenty-something and you'll find out they have absolutely no idea that Star Wars and Marvel were once non-Disney properties. For them, they will have been always authentic Disney.

Not this again. You know why the OP mentioned "authentic Disney"? Because most people think of the treasures of the Disney Vault in just that way. They DON'T think of the Eisner-Iger purchases of already fully-developed-played-out generated-originally-by-another-media-company properties as authentic Disney. People aren't stupid. They know the difference between a Disney-created-adapted classic and something created by Lucasfilm. So no. Marvel and Star Wars aren't authentic Disney and never will be. They don't have the Disney magic. They have merits of their own, but those merits have nothing to do with Disney. Disney is just financing what George Lucas and Stan Lee already established, and then reaping the rewards. Period.

And for my part, I don't think of Pixar as being Disney. As acquisitions go, it is a much better fit than either Marvel or Star Wars, because of John Lasseter's previous history with Disney and because of shared aesthetics. But Pixar is Pixar, and Disney's not pretending otherwise. That's why you see both the Disney castle AND the Pixar lamp in the opening signature before every Pixar film.
 
Jungle Cruise- every Disneyland/MK park (I believe?) Yes, retconned to be created by Dr. Albert Falls and run by his Grandaughter, Alberta.
The Adventurer's Club- (now closed) WDW Yes, founded by S.E.A. member Colonel Critchlow Suchbench. Unclear if other members were also in S.E.A., seems to have possibly disbanded before the founding of the club. They also retconned a portrait that used to be in the Library of the Imagineers that built the Club, as members of an unscrupulous Plunderers Club, including Harrison Hightower (Joe Rodhe).
The Explorer's Club - HKDL Yes
Mystic Manor- HKDL Yes, both Lord Henry Mystic and Albert the Monkey are members
Mysterious Island- TDS ? I think anything Nemo is tangentially related, but I doubt Nemo was a member. Doesn't seem like a "joiner"
Fortress Explorations - TDS Yes, the builders of the Fortress seem to be the founders of the earliest version of S.E.A.
Tower of Terror- TDS (Harrison Hightower) Yes
Skipper Canteen- WDW Yes
Captain Nemo (20,000 leagues) walkthrough area - DLP (I haven't been there) See above.
Big Thunder (DL and MK only?) - Owner Barnabus T. Bullion is a member.
Oceaneer Lab (Cruise Line) - Captain Mary Oceaneer and Salty the Parrot
Miss Fortune Falls - Also Mary and Salty
Jock Lindsey's - Jock is a member, unclear if Indy is too. Maybe not, he's also not really a "joiner". Still, same universe, so anything Indy is also in.
The Lamented Unbuilt Discovery Bay - Jason Chandler was a character worked into the backstory of Big Thunder who would've gone on to found Discovery Bay. He is a member, and many references are also made to him owning the Hyperion airship, and maybe the Nautilus after Nemo?
Adventureland Trading Company - Involved in the two or three games Imagineers conducted that involved scavenger hunts to collect Juju artifacts. Apparently the Jujus were shipped from Mystic's collection originally.
The Museum of the Weird - A Madame Zasher is referenced in a letter from Jason Chandler
Haunted Mansion - One of Constance's ill-fated grooms was George Hightower, presumably a relative of Harrison
Raging Spirits - Harrison stole artifacts from the site.
Adventure Isle - I'm unclear if the fictional group running the dig site at Raging Mountain is related or not.
Journey Into Imagination - Dreamfinder makes a cameo at the Skipper Canteen
Pleasure Island (R.I.P.) - Merryweather Adam Pleasure was a member.
Typhoon Lagoon and Stormalong Bay - Since Pleasure's whole backstory has been adopted in, the typhoon he was lost in is cannon, and I believe that is the same storm that wrecked the ship at Beach Club and created Typhoon Lagoon. I think they're also tying the storm into Miss Fortune Falls' backstory. Someday it would be interesting for WDI to explore the mystery of why so many calamities have befallen S.E.A. Members.
Wilderness Explorers - I feel like there is a reference to them, but I may be mistaken. I do have a headcannon that I like that Emil Bleehall of the Adventurers Club went on to found the Wilderness Explorers, wish it were true.

I think that's it, everything's so interconnected that it's like a puzzle, with scraps and clues scattered all over.

Bold is mine.
 
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FigmentJedi

Well-Known Member
SEA's so expansive at this point that I can't help but think someone in Imagineering's hoping someone in the Film division will notice and try to engineer some kinda Disney Park cinematic universe out of it.
We do have that Jungle Cruise movie with Dwayne Johnson coming out. Of course, Disney's so risk-averse at this point that when they run out of ideas for actual Pirate movies, they'll come up with some artifact that sends Jack Sparrow a couple centuries in time so he can be such a franchise's Iron Man/Cap.
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
Not this again. You know why the OP mentioned "authentic Disney"? Because most people think of the treasures of the Disney Vault in just that way. They DON'T think of the Eisner-Iger purchases of already fully-developed-played-out generated-originally-by-another-media-company properties as authentic Disney. People aren't stupid. They know the difference between a Disney-created-adapted classic and something created by Lucasfilm. So no. Marvel and Star Wars aren't authentic Disney and never will be. They don't have the Disney magic. .

Your visits to any of the parks must be quite bleak if you shun anything not an IP generated internally by Disney.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
You know why the OP mentioned "authentic Disney"? Because most people think of the treasures of the Disney Vault in just that way. They DON'T think of the Eisner-Iger purchases of already fully-developed-played-out generated-originally-by-another-media-company properties as authentic Disney. People aren't stupid. They know the difference between a Disney-created-adapted classic and something created by Lucasfilm. So no. Marvel and Star Wars aren't authentic Disney and never will be.

For you.

But we already had people admit they forgot that so much of what they considered authentic Disney were other people's properties, some of which were fully fleshed out.

We're already witnessing a generation that doesn't know the difference between what is authentically Pixar and what is authentically Disney. And the same will happen for all the other acquisitions when people grow up going to LucasFilm, Pixar, and Marvel Lands inside Disney parks. That will happen whether you like it or not.
 

Marlins1

Well-Known Member
So the takeaways from this "amazing adventures" conference were concept art of a restaurant and a store, a picture of a bridge, video of a very cool AA that we had already seen, a vague Pandora opening date and the SWL concept art with sunlight removed. Sounds like a pretty big disappointment even by Disney announcement standards.
 
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WDWFANSINCE81

Active Member
So the takeaways from this "amazing adventures" conference was concept art of a restaurant and a store, a picture of a bridge, video of a very cool AA that we had already seen, a vague Pandora opening date and the SL concept art with sunlight removed. Sounds like a pretty big disappointment even by Disney announcement standards.
This was my first D23 event and it will be my last. What a joke. 2 days of PowerPoints....it was as exciting as it sounds.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Always have to read between the lines with guys like Chappie. Anything and everything he says/does will be met with a healthy dose of skepticism and a large amount of salt, and for good reason. To him, "...more Disney..." = More Disney IPs in the park, and thus, in his eyes, that makes Epcot "more Disney". Which then means... more merchandise. The guy is a merchandiser, ala Pressler 2.0. It's all he knows and it'll be all he ever does.

My expectations are regrettably low around all of this. Sorry, pixie dusters, but guys like The Weatherman and Chappie, THEY are the ones who have set the bar this low. THEY are the ones who have turned WDW into a money-printing operation for the rest of the company. THEY are the ones who say things like, "dream big", but in the same breath talk about cutting budgets. I, and many others around here, know and have seen what Disney can do. They either no longer care to do what they are capable of doing, or are too afraid to take a chance that something could fail. EVERYTHING they do now is the "safe play", the "safe bet", the "safe money". They pat themselves on the back about "plussing" several things that have become nothing more than a huge outdoor bar (Epcot), a mixed-use mall (Disney Springs), and two half-day (at best) theme parks (DHS and AK). And for a company built by visionaries taking chances, dreaming big, and pushing boundaries, those currently running it are abhorrently the opposite, completely uninspiring and completely unoriginal. So yes, I will continue to complain about things until they actually improve, because the Disney I know is capable of a helluva lot more than they are giving us.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Perhaps if you visited the parks more often.

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