You have to include Disneyland in the mix in order for DLR to be "neck and neck" with WDW. And don't forget that most of DCA's attractions are ones that originated at WDW anyway (well,... WDW and some carnivals). :lol:
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You have to include Disneyland in the mix in order for DLR to be "neck and neck" with WDW. And don't forget that most of DCA's attractions are ones that originated at WDW anyway (well,... WDW and some carnivals). :lol:
TP2000
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I thought it was important to count major entertainment offerings like parades on both coasts, but you could take them out of both properties if you just wanted to count "rides" and "theater shows".
That list would look like this...
2001
DCA - Millionaire
WDW - Millionaire, Playhouse Disney, Magic Carpets of Aladdin
2002
DCA - Power of Blast
WDW - Journey Into Imagination With Figment
2003
DCA - Flik's Fun Fair (4 "Fantasyland style" attractions), Aladdin A Musical Spectacular
WDW - Mission Space, Mickey's Philharmagic
2004
DCA - Tower of Terror, Playhouse Disney
WDW - Stitch's Great Escape, Turtle Talk With Crush
2005
DCA - Monsters Inc. Mike & Sulley To the Rescue!, Turtle Talk With Crush
WDW - Soarin', Lights Motors Action! Stunt Show
2006
DCA - Nothin'
WDW - Expedition Everest
2007
DCA - Nothin'
WDW - Monsters Inc. Comedy Club, Finding Nemo Musical
2008
DCA - Midway Mania
WDW - Midway Mania
2009
DCA - Nothin'
WDW - American Idol Experience
2010
DCA - World of Color
WDW - Nothin'
Wilt Dasney
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If the new yardstick for attractions that "count" are ones that didn't originate at the other Disney resort, then a hefty chunk of MK is eliminated.
TP2000
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What "silly thing" would you remove from the lists? I removed the two DCA parades, per the previous post, and we'll move MuppetVision into the Attraction category for both parks instead of a Show. Let's also throw Fantasmic! in there for DHS, even though we aren't counting either of the two parades at DCA.
Here's the lists for both parks, and you can tell us what you'd remove that are the silly things listed as "Attractions" or "Shows".
Disney's California Adventure
Attractions - 21
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
Monsters Inc. Mike & Sulley To The Rescue
Muppet*Vision 3D
Disney Animation Pavilion
Flik's Flyers
Francis Ladybug Boogie
Heimlich's Chew Chew Train
Tuck N' Roll's Drive 'Em Buggies
It's Tough To Be A Bug
California Screamin'
Maliboomer
Mickey's Fun Wheel
Toy Story Midway Mania
Mulholland Madness
Silly Symphony Swings
Golden Zephyr
King Triton's Carousel
Jumpin' Jellyfish
Soarin' Over California
Grizzly River Run
Redwood Creek Challenge Trail
Shows - 2
Aladdin A Musical Spectacular
Playhouse Disney
Disney's Hollywood Studios
Attractions - 7
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
Rockin' Roller Coaster
Star Tours
Backlot Tram Tour
Great Movie Ride
Muppet*Vision 3D
Toy Story Midway Mania
Shows - 10
Fantasmic!
American Idol Experience
Sounds Dangerious - Starring Drew Carey
Indiana Jones Stunt Show
Lights, Motors, Action! Stunt Show
Walt Disney: One Man's Dream
Voyage of the Little Mermaid
Magic of Disney Animation
Playhouse Disney
Beauty & The Beast Live On Stage
I'm not saying I would remove ANYTHING from the list. I was responding to your remark that you had made a point of removing silly (or minor) things... but yet you still included them on the DCA list. :lol:
Also, you're free to count anything you want as an "attraction". But I think it's funny that you're comparing the parks based on the numbers alone. Do you really think that's a fair comparison when so many of DCA's rides are carnival rides and knock offs? :lol:
Here are some of my thoughts on your list...
TP2000
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Oohhhkay. I think we get where you are coming from now. :lol:
So I take it you don't consider Dumbo, the Teacups, Astro Orbiter or Tom Sawyer Island as legit attractions either? Only the E Tickets count in your book, and only in the park they were built in first?
Might you like to share your comments with us on the list of attractions for DHS? That could be fun too.
Wilt Dasney
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There's plenty of filler on BOTH of those lists (let's not let Drew Carey or the Magic of Disney Animation (sans animators) slide through unnoticed)...and I suspect those "attraction" lists are straight from Disney's website.
The difference (at least at the moment) is that Disney is seriously working to improve a lackluster park in DCA, while seeming content to leave DHS in its current state of torpor.
The difference (at least at the moment) is that Disney is seriously working to improve a lackluster park in DCA, while seeming content to leave DHS in its current state of torpor.
TP2000
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Thing I left off the DCA list, that Disney insists on calling "attractions", were silly and/or minor stuff like...
Boudin Bread Factory Tour
Mission Tortilla Factory Tour
Blue Sky Cellar Preview Center
Bountiful Valley Farm (totally scaled back since '01)
Hollywood Backlot Stage
Games of the Boardwalk
S.S. Rustworthy
In addition, I lumped the three separate shows inside Disney Animation all together, instead of trying to claim that Sorcerer's Workshop, Drawn To Animation and Turtle Talk With Crush were three seperate attractions. I just counted that all as one attraction.
No I wouldn't say that at all. You missed my point. You appear to be trying to build a case that "number of attractions" somehow translates to a measurement of park quality. Using that standard, most Six Flags parks would blow away most Disney parks. The vast majority of DCA's rides are still carnival rides and knock offs. It could have five times as many rides, but if most of those rides are things you can generally find at most carnivals, then I wouldn't consider it a better park, or even equal to other Disney parks.
No argument at all with this statement. And as I've stated earlier (a couple of separate times I think), I too am excited about the changes to come at DCA. But I'm keeping it in perspective. They are just that... changes to COME. They don't represent what DCA currently is.
And I do agree that DHS has lost it's focus... in a BIG way. Of the four Disney parks in Orlando, and the two Universal parks there, I rate DHS at the bottom of the list (in it's current state). But I would still rate it above DCA (based on the current state of both parks). :wave:
TP2000
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I agree that can't be the only factor, but since these are theme parks we're talking about here, the number of rides available for customers to go on certainly is a big selling point, and very major factor customers look for in, you know, a theme park.
What is it about DHS that you love so much that some of us don't see? What do you do there after riding the handful of good E Tickets (I love Rockin'! :sohappy
and sitting in on a couple of the newer stage shows? Do you just sit on a bench and stare at the hat in all its glory? Ride the anemic 20 minute tram tour again to try and remember where the Golden Girls house used to be? Please don't tell us your visiting Beauty & The Beast Live On Stage repeatedly. :lol:
But I don't work in Disney's Marketing department, do you? You and I aren't in a meeting trying to come up with ways to "sell" DCA. We're consumers. As a consumer, it doesn't matter to me how many rides a theme park has if I have no interest in 90% of those rides (or could easily experience them far more cheaply at a Six Flags park, amusement park, or carnival). I care about the overall quality of the park. It's just not there with DCA.
What is it about DHS that you love so much that some of us don't see? What do you do there after riding the handful of good E Tickets (I love Rockin'! :sohappy
Please don't tell us your visiting Beauty & The Beast Live On Stage repeatedly. :lol:
You have me mixed up with someone else if you think I hold DHS in tremendously high regard. :lol: Have you not read my comments? Not sure where you're getting this idea. True, I would rate DHS above DCA, but trust me... there are LOTS of things I would rate above DCA. :lol:
sponono88
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Except you can't. As I previously said.. The Fun Wheel is only one of the only two replicas of the Coney Island original, Golden Zephyr was built from scratch just for DCA and is the only one still in existence in North America. Not sure where else you can find a coaster like Screamin where you have the launch right over the bay.
And i'm not sure I get this whole thing about DCA and the future changes. The changes are happening as we speak. There are projects that are opening next week, next month, some that have already opened. The expansion isn't years away, it's happening now.
Here is what I said in my post though: "As a consumer, it doesn't matter to me how many rides a theme park has if I have no interest in 90% of those rides (or could easily experience them far more cheaply at a Six Flags park, amusement park, or carnival)."
You seem to only want to address that part that I put in parentheses.
Yeah, I've gathered that. :lol: See here's how it works... When someone asks you how something "is", then future projects (even those currently in progress if they haven't opened yet), don't really factor in. Otherwise, you're not evaluating it on how it "is". You're evaluating it on how you anticipate that it "will be". Make sense?
You and TP2000 seem to be taking it very personally that I don't share your opinion and high regard of DCA... even going to great lengths to look up pictures and information as a means of somehow "proving" your opinion is the "right" one. On second thought, maybe both of you DO work for DCA's Marketing department! :lol:
TP2000
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You very, very clearly don't know how much I've been complaining about DCA since 1997, starting on the old alt.disney.disneyland usenet forums (under this same handle, if you want to check the archives). :wave:
DCA has now had a decade of fixes of varying success and varying budgets thrown at it, and overall it's improved a great deal since '01. Even a famous DCA dectractor like me can admit that. And since WDW parks generally are allowed to stagnate for decades on end, then it's not surprising that DCA is pulling in to the lead over some other Disney parks like DHS, WDSP, and maybe even Animal Kingdom.
But when someone holds DCA in such low regard as to claim that Bigfoot Rapids at Knott's is a superior attraction to Grizzly River Run, then even I have to consider that there's a bigger issue involved with the thought process there. We never did get to see a better picture of Bigfoot Rapids, after all.
I never said that. Go back and check my post. :wave:
Wilt Dasney
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So...did the OP ever decide between DCA and KBF? :lookaroun
TP2000
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You're right, you said this... "It also has Bigfoot Rapids, which is just as good as Grizzly River Run."
But that's still such an odd comment to make. Most of us in this thread aren't living in France, and we've all been on both of those rapids rides in recent years. We all know what they're both like from personal experience, and the dozens of YouTube videos of both attractions are sitting there for those East Coasters who have never been to SoCal for an easy compare/contrast video.
I mean really, Bigfoot Rapids?!? :veryconfu
TP2000
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Who?
Actually, let's hope the OP does both if they have the time past the usual 3 days at DLR.
We never did get to see a better picture of Bigfoot Rapids, after all.
Checking archives, doing extensive searches of photos on the internet, and taking the time to put together exhaustive lists to prove your point seems to be your thing, but it's really not mine. I'm happy to keep this conversation going while I sit here on my couch watching tv, because it's an entertaining discussion. But "proving" my point isn't nearly as important to me as it seems to be to you. I get the sense that it's just eating you up that you're unable to support your case and sway my opinion. Why? Does it take away from your own enjoyment of the park if you can't get others to think the same way?