News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[TP2000]

This is not a California-Florida issue, no matter how much you want to use that tired old whataboutism. Nobody has said California is a center of ride system manufacturing, probably because they’re not as uninformed as you are on the subject. And maybe try to read and comprehend some of IAAPA’s publications before trying to invoke their name in your nonsense.

So is that a No on the fun list?

How is any of this relevant?

I was discussing the industry benefits of having California-style oversight of the theme park industry in Florida, because Florida has more theme parks than California and more theme park design/manufacturing facilities than California and is the home of IAPPA as the global industry organization for... theme parks.

I'm a strong proponent of government safety oversight of theme park attractions, which stems from my even stronger feelings about that type of oversight for more common transportation like cars, trains, planes. (You don't want to know the time I spent researching the IIHS ratings before I bought my last two vehicles!)

The state of Florida, as home to so many ride system leaders, should have strong governmental oversight and inspections of not just the WDW monorails, but of all operating theme park rides at all operating theme and amusement parks. It would benefit the theme park industry as a whole, and not just in the USA but globally.

 

[George]

After 53 years of wrangling about details, I’m glad monorail safety is finally receiving the attention it deserves. Clearly, not politically motivated at all. Shame on any who think otherwise.

 

[LittleBuford]

The state of Florida, as home to so many ride system leaders

But hasn’t it been demonstrated that this isn’t the case anyway?

 

[Chi84]

But hasn’t it been demonstrated that this isn’t the case anyway?

Yes. We’ve also gone through the entire “ends justifies the means” argument several times. After all, who could be opposed to political retribution if it comes in the form of safety checks? People come late to the party and it starts all over again.

 

[LittleBuford]

Yes. We’ve also gone through the entire “ends justifies the means” argument several times. After all, who could be opposed to political retribution if it comes in the form of safety checks? People come late to the party and it starts all over again.

What’s puzzling in this case, however, is that it’s the same person rather than a subsequent latecomer who’s continuing to claim something that has repeatedly been shown to be wrong. I really don’t get it.

 

[Chi84]

What’s puzzling in this case, however, is that it’s the same person rather than a subsequent latecomer who’s continuing to claim something that has repeatedly been shown to be wrong. I really don’t get it.

I deleted my answer. Best not to reply.

 

[TP2000]

But hasn’t it been demonstrated that this isn’t the case anyway?

Well, there's certainly more ride system industry presence in Florida than California, and there's certainly IAAPA headquarters and their big annual convention that brings the entire global industry there to Orlando*. So, no, it hasn't been demonstrated.

I know California is famous for WDI, started by Walt in 1953 and clearly the most famous "ride" creators of all time. But the mechanics of those rides are not generally made by WDI. They are outsourced to other companies. And I can't think of any other major ride engineers base in California besides WDI in Glendale. But many ride system companies do have offices/facilities in Florida because of what Orlando means to the global theme park industry in the 21st century.

* = I'm not sure if the Orange County Convention Center is within Orlando city limits proper, or is just in metro Orlando in an unincorporated neighborhood or adjoining city. I would hate to mislead people by saying just "Orlando", when it could mean something as exotically far afield as Doctor Phillips.

 

[TP2000]

I deleted my answer. Best not to reply.

No worries, it's fine if you disagree.

I just think it would benefit the global theme park industry as a whole if such a major operational/engineering center of power in that industry like Florida would partner with private industry and come up with some really solid oversight and inspection processes, a second set of safety eyes, using the California model of the past 20 years as a guide. Perhaps Florida could even make that California process better?

If you disagree with that, it's perfectly acceptable to say so.

 

[DLR92]

Yup, it time for Disney to refocus on more spending at California. Let DeSantis ruin himself further more.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If you disagree with that, it's perfectly acceptable to say so.

I totally agree with this as a concept.
On these boards it depends on the thread and the folks in the thread.

 

[Chi84]

I totally agree with this as a concept.
On these boards it depends on the thread and the folks in the thread.

I don't think it depends on the thread and the folks; it's more how you say it than what you say. It is true, though, that certain posters are more likely to try to take threads off-topic, ramble on, or try to provoke arguments. (In general - not talking about you.)

 

[Chi84]

No worries, it's fine if you disagree.

I just think it would benefit the global theme park industry as a whole if such a major operational/engineering center of power in that industry like Florida would partner with private industry and come up with some really solid oversight and inspection processes, a second set of safety eyes, using the California model of the past 20 years as a guide. Perhaps Florida could even make that California process better?

If you disagree with that, it's perfectly acceptable to say so.

Of course I love safety; it keeps people alive. But this tread is about political retribution (in the governor's own words). At what point does the "end" of additional safety checks - Disney has a great record - justify the "means" of political retribution?

It's okay to keep going on about how a second set of eyes could possibly make things safer because no one can ever prove otherwise. But it's disingenuous and does not address the issue here. Maybe you could start a ride technology and safety thread.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of course I love safety; it keeps people alive. But this tread is about political retribution (in the governor's own words). At what point does the "end" of additional safety checks - Disney has a great record - justify the "means" of political retribution?

It's okay to keep going on about how a second set of eyes could possibly make things safer because no one can ever prove otherwise. But it's disingenuous and does not address the issue here. Maybe you could start a ride technology and safety thread.

It should be quite telling that the claimed advocacy is not true when it is based on lies. Florida is not one of the states that lacks a state-wide inspection and approval regimen. Even exempt facilities are doing the required annual inspection per state guidelines, it’s just not state employees doing the work. Even in California, qualified safety inspectors are not all state employees and can be employed by the operator.

The constant invoking of IAAPA is also disingenuous. They have long opposed federal regulation of amusement rides. They’re position is that the industry is best at providing for safety. From their website:
”Relevant data consistently shows only a small percentage of incidents that do occur are caused by factors subject to governmental ride operations oversight, namely either staff or mechanical error.”

Regulations & Standards | IAAPA

www.iaapa.org

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don't think it depends on the thread and the folks; it's more how you say it than what you say. It is true, though, that certain posters are more likely to try to take threads off-topic, ramble on, or try to provoke arguments. (In general - not talking about you.)

My thinking was some threads are of a subject that there can be no deviation whatsoever, there is only one correct narrative and other thoughts, opinion, and there are even people not to be spoken of.

The good thing about this, I can look at the thread title and there is little need to read it, I already know the consensus.

Just a general observation. Not pointing fingers at anyone.

Oh, boy, am I derailing this thread?

The state taking over the monorail inspection in my opinion is not about safety, is about the new district just trying to be an annoyance to WDW.

 

[Disstevefan1]

People can have a different perspective. A lie is not a different perspective, it is not a different opinion to be respected and treated as equally valid. You get called out because you knowingly and repeatedly lie and admit to not reading factual information that is repeatedly provided.

I do not knowingly lie. I will defend your right to think so.

I will defer to all the legal experts on these boards on the matters of CFTOD.

In my uninformed opinion, RCID should have been left alone, and the Gov. continues to make mistakes.

In my uninformed opinion, the state should not have to inspect the WDW monorails, and the Gov. is just doing this to be an annoyance to WDW. Another stupid move by the Gov. in my opinion.

 

[mkt]

In my uninformed opinion, RCID should have been left alone, and the Gov. continues to make mistakes.

In my uninformed opinion, the state should not have to inspect the WDW monorails, and the Gov. is just doing this to be an annoyance to WDW. Another stupid move by the Gov. in my opinion.

The first is an opinion I mostly agree with, at least compared to what there is now.

In my opinion, the first law should have been written with two provisions: 1- RCID would be dissolved upon payment of the debt, and 2- A new district with a board comprised of "appointees" by local landowners and elected by the residents of the affected counties would be put in power, to continue providing services to the higher standard that Disney expects.

The second seems more like a fact than an opinion.

 

[scottieRoss]

So is that a No on the fun list?



I was discussing the industry benefits of having California-style oversight of the theme park industry in Florida, because Florida has more theme parks than California and more theme park design/manufacturing facilities than California and is the home of IAPPA as the global industry organization for... theme parks.

I'm a strong proponent of government safety oversight of theme park attractions, which stems from my even stronger feelings about that type of oversight for more common transportation like cars, trains, planes. (You don't want to know the time I spent researching the IIHS ratings before I bought my last two vehicles!)

The state of Florida, as home to so many ride system leaders, should have strong governmental oversight and inspections of not just the WDW monorails, but of all operating theme park rides at all operating theme and amusement parks. It would benefit the theme park industry as a whole, and not just in the USA but globally.

Except, Florida does not have many theme park design/manufacturing facilities (much less so many) and the fact that IAPPA is there has no bearing on ride inspections.

 

[Rich Brownn]

The first is an opinion I mostly agree with, at least compared to what there is now.

In my opinion, the first law should have been written with two provisions: 1- RCID would be dissolved upon payment of the debt, and 2- A new district with a board comprised of "appointees" by local landowners and elected by the residents of the affected counties would be put in power, to continue providing services to the higher standard that Disney expects.

The second seems more like a fact than an opinion.

The only problem is you reduce the amount of taxes (the ones paid to RCID) while adding to Orange/Osceola counties expenditures (now having to pay for roads, sewage, canals, etc.) More work with less money means those services would, of course, deteriorate over time

 

[mkt]

The only problem is you reduce the amount of taxes (the ones paid to RCID) while adding to Orange/Osceola counties expenditures (now having to pay for roads, sewage, canals, etc.) More work with less money means those services would, of course, deteriorate over time

Realistically, the way I thought it up it, it would be to maintain most of the district's public services, and ability to tax itself for those public services - but shift permitting to the counties, and involving the residents of the impacted counties in the selection of the boardmembers.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Realistically, the way I thought it up it, it would be to maintain most of the district's public services, and ability to tax itself for those public services - but shift permitting to the counties, and involving the residents of the impacted counties in the selection of the boardmembers.

The point is, the counties really aren't impacted that much by the district - maybe by Disney itself - but I do not want the people responsible for OC's road to be responsible for Disneys!