News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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This worries me. The fact is, the WDW monorail has a near perfect safety record for over 50 years, yes I remember the one fatal accident but that was human error and no guests were hurt.

This is all part of the battle between (you know who) and TWDC.

I would not be surprised if WDW shuts down the monorail as a response to this.
 
JoeCamel

JoeCamel

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ToTBellHop said:
Sir, this is the State of Florida. This will be a disorganized cluster.
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Disney going to tell the state what the safety parameters are so the state can oversee those parameters.....
Think the state will send a delegation to Las Vegas and Disneyland for fact finding?
 
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celluloid

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Disstevefan1 said:
This worries me. The fact is, the WDW monorail has a near perfect safety record for over 50 years, yes I remember the one fatal accident but that was human error and no guests were hurt.

This is all part of the battle between (you know who) and TWDC.

I would not be surprised if WDW shuts down the monorail as a response to this.
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The last few years have been wild. Pieces of vehicles, track beams and entire doors falling off or being stuck on open durring a ride.

If that keeps up or gets worse, you have evidence the concern was more than valid.
 
ChrisFL

ChrisFL

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celluloid said:
The last few years have been wild. Pieces of vehicles, track beams and entire doors falling off or being stuck on open durring a ride.

If that keeps up or gets worse, you have evidence the concern was more than valid.
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I tend to agree, even if the intentions are bad, POSSIBLY something good would come out of this. I don't believe Disney will ditch the monorail entirely as I think it would cause a negative effect on the hotel business around MK
 
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TheIceBaron

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No clue on the business model for their transit system but crossing my fingers these inspections could speed up the timeline for new monorails. I think they were also toying with the idea of expanding the monorail length and loading areas to fit more guests, so perhaps if they are forced into extensive downtime they could do a few things
 
tissandtully

tissandtully

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celluloid said:
The last few years have been wild. Pieces of vehicles, track beams and entire doors falling off or being stuck on open durring a ride.

If that keeps up or gets worse, you have evidence the concern was more than valid.
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Definitely the government that was in control of inspections for the Free Fall Tower will fix this.
 
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celluloid

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tissandtully said:
Definitely the government that was in control of inspections for the Free Fall Tower will fix this.
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They were not. That is misreporting. FL department of Argiculture passed off on it opening as it was operating with standards that it was supposed to. The state actually came and investigated as well as outside firms after the private company screwed it up. The private company was in fact altering what was supposed to be operating on per agreemnet with state inspections.

Florida Department of Agriculture of Amusements is also separate from this. Irresponsible to misrepresent.
 
tissandtully

tissandtully

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celluloid said:
They were not. That is misreporting. FL department of Argiculture passed off on it opening as it was operating with standards that it was supposed to. The state actually came and investigated as well as outside firms after the private company screwed it up. The private company was in fact altering what was supposed to be operating on per agreemnet with state inspections.

Florida Department of Agriculture of Amusements is also separate from this. Irresponsible to misrepresent.
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You missed the point, once again. This isn't being done out of some sudden concern for safety. It's just what they thought they could get done and punish for disagreeing with the state government. This won't fix anything.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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celluloid said:
They were not. That is misreporting. FL department of Argiculture passed off on it opening as it was operating with standards that it was supposed to. The state actually came and investigated as well as outside firms after the private company screwed it up. The private company was in fact altering what was supposed to be operating on per agreemnet with state inspections.

Florida Department of Agriculture of Amusements is also separate from this. Irresponsible to misrepresent.
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It's not misrepresenting.

It points out that inspections like this are only as good as what the process does. Notice what's lacking in the new law? Any actual standards or targets. It basically just gave the government jurisdiction without any purpose, objective, or standards.
 
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celluloid

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flynnibus said:
It's not misrepresenting.

It points out that inspections like this are only as good as what the process does. Notice what's lacking in the new law? Any actual standards or targets. It basically just gave the government jurisdiction without any purpose, objective, or standards.
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Since the standards can't feasibly make Disney worse, it is not really an area of concern. It can't force them to operate it.

The Freefall incident was operating below the standards of government inspections after inspectors were off site. The company is known for being seedy and lowered the standard, unfortunately, costing life. If not for state inspectors, we would be just presuming that a child died because they were too large to fit in the attraction and you got to just be smaller.

If you think Walt Disney World is comparable to the Slingshot Group, then you would have a point.

It can be annoying and for the wrong reasons. But it does not mean the safety standards must get worse.
 
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celluloid

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Rhinocerous said:
“Good morning. We’re here to make sure everything with the monorail is working correctly.

So…. How does it work?”
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It is funny, but that is how all state inspections go. You have mechanical and transportation system experts.

The Monorail is an awesome piece of equipment, but it is not some imitation game code that is hard to crack and takes decades of training for how it should generally safely operate.

They teach seasonal college kids to work on it all the time.

Mechanics for the monorails have been miracle workers due to lack of resources over the last couple decades, and smart guys, but it can be trained with someone who is already an expert in systems of the nature.

It is not exactly a JR line.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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celluloid said:
Since the standards can't feasibly make Disney worse, it is not really an area of concern.
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I don't know where you drew this conclusion from... but it certainly doesn't sound like from experience with bureaucracy :)

celluloid said:
The Freefall incident was operating below the standards of government inspections after inspectors were off site.
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And the processes couldn't catch that a change with unintended consequences was made. The ride inspections would not have found the issue that caused the accident - because the inspections didn't include that kind of scrutiny. Only the post-accident investigation did because they obviously were going through with a much finer comb.

The ride inspection standards are not strong. They are basically "are you doing what the ride designer says you are supposed to be doing?"

celluloid said:
It can be annoying and for the wrong reasons. But it does not mean the safety standards must get worse.
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I think you are going places no one else is.
 

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