News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[CaptainAmerica]

Take a peek at Fuller v Carollo, presently in trial at the federal court in Miami. Specifically the witness testimony, where in Florida, the power of government - but police and regulatory - was used against a political enemy (Fuller) at the behest of a politician (Carollo).

Legislation is different than regulation.

See @mikejs78 on legislative intent.

 

[mkt]

Legislation is different than regulation.

See @mikejs78 on legislative intent.

That's not the point I was making.

The point is that it does happen in Florida, quite openly and quite brazenly.

This state is extremely corrupt. It just happens to mostly be good-ole-boy corruption that get swept under the rug.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

My guess is that they will inspect simple things like cracks in the track concrete and support foundation. Structural engineers that do concrete and bridges could do that with no trouble.

There are photos circulating around the internet that show cracks in the monorail support pillars (vertical ones) and I guess the state has seen those photos too?

If I was Disney today? Id send crews right now to repair any questionable cracks ASAP before they are inspected by outsiders first.

Absolutely true, but if the state starts finding cracks in the beams, I’d be out photographing EVERY bridge support with those same types of cracks and take that matter to court saying the state is unfairly singling TWDC out when the states roadways and bridges are in similar condition and not being addressed. Disney can play ToT for tat also…

 

[lazyboy97o]

-the inspections can (and i expect) will be on the up-and-up but that doesn’t stop the governor or the CFTOD or the legislature from using the results of the inspection as some bad faith gotcha. I can totally see DeSantis holding one of his fake press conferences at Reedy Creek HQ waving around a report about how unsafe Disney is or whatever

Which is exactly what we just saw occur the other week talking about some huge number of health code violations at restaurants. A huge number dropped down with absolutely no context.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Here are my issues with the monrail inspections:

-it’s clearly part of a pattern of retaliation against disney, regardless of whether inspections may be a good thing or not. this wasn’t prompted by an accident or safety issue that just came up, it’s all about DeSantis and the legislature using the power of the government for retaliation

-the inspections can (and i expect) will be on the up-and-up but that doesn’t stop the governor or the CFTOD or the legislature from using the results of the inspection as some bad faith gotcha. I can totally see DeSantis holding one of his fake press conferences at Reedy Creek HQ waving around a report about how unsafe Disney is or whatever

Agreed. I think most on here will believe me when I say I will very happily complain endlessly about the current state of upkeep at Disney in general and as regards the monorails in particular, but this is absolutely not the context in which to do so.

 

[Trauma]

Take a peek at Fuller v Carollo, presently in trial at the federal court in Miami. Specifically the witness testimony, where in Florida, the power of government - but police and regulatory - was used against a political enemy (Fuller) at the behest of a politician (Carollo).

Jeez fine.

I pay my lawyers to do this stuff for me.

Can you at least give me a link since I have no idea how to find this stuff.

 

[mkt]

Jeez fine.

I pay my lawyers to do this stuff for me.

Can you at least give me a link since I have no idea how to find this stuff.

Carollo Takes Stand in Ball & Chain Trial, Accuses Witnesses of Lying Under Oath

Miami Commissioner Joe Carollo took the stand Monday to defend himself against accusations of stalking, harassment, lies and retaliation, all made by the owner of Little Havana’s Ball & Chain.

www.nbcmiami.com

 

[Trauma]

Carollo Takes Stand in Ball & Chain Trial, Accuses Witnesses of Lying Under Oath

Miami Commissioner Joe Carollo took the stand Monday to defend himself against accusations of stalking, harassment, lies and retaliation, all made by the owner of Little Havana’s Ball & Chain.

www.nbcmiami.com

Ok well I see a link to an article with a bunch of accusations from both parties.

Has a judgement been reached ?

 

[mkt]

Ok well I see a link to an article with a bunch of accusations from both parties.

Has a judgement been reached ?

I believe trial is still ongoing. However, google and look at the witness testimony that includes police officers and code enforcement officers.

 

[Trauma]

I believe trial is still ongoing. However, google and look at the witness testimony that includes police officers and code enforcement officers.

Yeah my point is doesn’t this stuff happen all the time on both sides of the isle? That’s why we have the court system.

If your trying to point to some overarching theme of corruption and abuse of power you don’t need too sell that story to me.

I see it all the time.

 

[Incomudro]

And AGAIN, it happened ONCE, in 2018, and never happened again…I mean, be real, do you REALLY think Disney would do anything to put their guests at risk especially NOW with DeSantis breathing down Mickey’s neck?

2018 was not long ago, and the door issue happened at essentially the same time the piece fell off of a monorail car.
I'm happy that Disney has gone to work renovating the trains, but they are still a very old fleet - and i don't really know what goes on behind the scenes in maintenance and repairs.
It could be extremely thorough, or it could be duct tape and JB Weld.

 

[Trauma]

2018 was not long ago, and the door issue happened at essentially the same time the piece fell off of a monorail car.
I'm happy that Disney has gone to work renovating the trains, but they are still a very old fleet - and i don't really know what goes on behind the scenes in maintenance and repairs.
It could be extremely thorough, or it could be duct tape and JB Weld.

Yeah but cmon.

You know that if there was a monorail accident right now with injury’s involved …

Well let’s just say I couldn’t even imagine the size of a problem that would become.

 

[peter11435]

Doesn't matter, legally. You don't get to lump everyone you disagree with into a collective "they," and you don't get to lump everyone you agree with into a collective "we."

DeSantis was clear in what he wanted. That one guy (senate majority leader I think?) was very clear in what he wanted. The Florida legislature is made up of 160 people. DeSantis bloviating in a speech doesn't impute legislative intent onto the entire body.

You realize your argument here is an entirely different one than the one I was replying to.

Classic example of moving the goalpost.

DeSantis and “that one guy” are not the only ones that have made their intent clear. And DeSantis is the one that called the special session and the one that signed the bill into law. And… as he points out himself in his book, is the one that had secret discussions with legislators pushing them to do this. This does not happen without him.

 

[Trauma]

I wonder if Iger is happy this is all happening.

If Disney prevails against the state of Florida he will be able to take a victory lap, covering his legacy of failure everywhere else.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You realize your argument here is an entirely different one than the one I was replying to.

Classic example of moving the goalpost.

DeSantis and “that one guy” are not the only ones that have made their intent clear. And DeSantis is the one that called the special session and the one that signed the bill into law. And… as he points out himself in his book, is the one that had secret discussions with legislators pushing them to do this. This does not happen without him.

This is where discovery could be more damning. How many were involved in the discussions? There have been multiple mentions of potentially sizable groups discussing this matter, starting with Spencer Roach’s first tweet on the subject.

 

[peter11435]

This is where discovery could be more damning. How many were involved in the discussions? There have been multiple mentions of potentially sizable groups discussing this matter, starting with Spencer Roach’s first tweet on the subject.

Yep… could be very interesting. It wouldn’t be hard for them to be caught having broken the law here.

 

[celluloid]

There’s a BIG difference in reduction in maintenance and reduction in SAFETY…reduction in maintenance could be something as basic as washing the outside of the cars every other day as opposed to daily. Again, TWDC is NOT going to put their reputation and the lives of their guests at risk…

You must have never heard of the Pressler era. This kind of leadership eventually results in more accidents than the freak accidents and thus harm and death to CMs and guests. This bad management concept is occuring again.

The Splash Mountain boats with multiple sinking incidents.

The door on the monorail falling off

The door on the monorail being stuck in motion.

The panel falling off of the monorail.

The peoplemover speedramp fire.

The skyliner collisions.

You must not have noticed the Dragon's catching on fire on both coasts that could have ended very differently, and should not have happened at all. Let alone two major in park pyro incidents within a few years of operation.

How about the Jungle Cruise boat sinking?

The doombuggy coming loose from its fixture.


How about the fact that all of these were within five years of operation
There was the known incident (even one would be too many) where the doors of monorail red were stuck open and the vehicle remained in motion. Many safety issues going on there. There is a reason Tower of Terror has operated as it has with maintenance long overdue and RocknRollercoaster needing this long period of downtime.

Upkeep in both show, but also in mechanical maintenance has been so bad in Disney in the last decade. It is a fact. Disney is amazingly lucky those events did not have a stroller, wheelchair or person going out the opening, or that entire door that did come off or parts of the monorail hitting anyone below.

 

[mkt]

You must have never heard of the Pressler era.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

You must have never heard of the Pressler era. This kind of leadership eventually results in more accidents than the freak accidents and thus harm and death to CMs and guests. This bad management concept is occuring again.

The Splash Mountain boats with multiple sinking incidents.

The door on the monorail falling off

The door on the monorail being stuck in motion.

The panel falling off of the monorail.

The peoplemover speedramp fire.

The skyliner collisions.

You must not have noticed the Dragon's catching on fire on both coasts that could have ended very differently, and should not have happened at all. Let alone two major in park pyro incidents within a few years of operation.

How about the Jungle Cruise boat sinking?

The doombuggy coming loose from its fixture.


How about the fact that all of these were within five years of operation
There was the known incident (even one would be too many) where the doors of monorail red were stuck open and the vehicle remained in motion. Many safety issues going on there. There is a reason Tower of Terror has operated as it has with maintenance long overdue and RocknRollercoaster needing this long period of downtime.

Upkeep in both show, but also in mechanical maintenance has been so bad in Disney in the last decade. It is a fact. Disney is amazingly lucky those events did not have a stroller, wheelchair or person going out the opening, or that entire door that did come off or parts of the monorail hitting anyone below.

And again, we’re talking years ago…if course I’ve heard about the problems, but you’re making it seem like the parks are falling apart and all guests should increase their life insurance to enter the gates…when I see the accidents occurring present day on a regular basis, then I think there’s reason for concern.

 

[LittleBuford]

Safety and maintenance are red herrings in this debate, because the legislation in question isn't motivated by a concern for either of these things.