News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[Trauma]

We probably speak with the same people. The impression I get is that it's more to do with staffing and logistics than actual standards being cut.

Well I think we can certainly agree that any accident at Disney causing severe injury to a guest would open a can of worms right now.

I would hope they make sure they have more than adequate staff to uphold their proven safety standards.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

We have heard from insiders here about an overall reduction in maintenance. I don’t know if that is true or not.

I have heard some express concerns about the safety of space mountain although I have no idea if those concerns have any basis in reality.

When people hear things like reduction in maintenance, I’m sure safety is something that comes to mind.

There’s a BIG difference in reduction in maintenance and reduction in SAFETY…reduction in maintenance could be something as basic as washing the outside of the cars every other day as opposed to daily. Again, TWDC is NOT going to put their reputation and the lives of their guests at risk…

 

[SoFloMagic]

He could shut down the parking lot trams at Epcot and Hollywood Studios....oh, wait. Nevermind.

If he really wanted to stick it to them, he could mandate they run trams

 

[Trauma]

There’s a BIG difference in reduction in maintenance and reduction in SAFETY…reduction in maintenance could be something as basic as washing the outside of the cars every other day as opposed to daily. Again, TWDC is NOT going to put their reputation and the lives of their guests at risk…

You are correct but I was referencing the optics of the statement.

If the average person hears that United has a reduction of maintenance on their airplanes they might fly another airlines.

Maybe I’m not explaining myself well.

My point is it sounds bad even though it isn’t, at least as it pertains to safety.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We have heard from insiders here about an overall reduction in maintenance. I don’t know if that is true or not.

I have heard some express concerns about the safety of space mountain although I have no idea if those concerns have any basis in reality.

When people hear things like reduction in maintenance, I’m sure safety is something that comes to mind.

There are plenty of proper discussions that can be had regarding maintenance and regulatory oversight. This is not one of them. Continuing to try and make it out into a possible positive only serves to legitimize the motivation you claim to not support.

 

[Trauma]

There are plenty of proper discussions that can be had regarding maintenance and regulatory oversight. This is not one of them. Continuing to try and make it out into a possible positive only serves to legitimize the motivation you claim to not support.

I’m not trying to make this out as a positive.

Where did I do that?

I was just posting what I heard about maintenance.

Others have heard the same.

Lots of things can be true at once.

Disney can be reducing maintenance on non safety related items.

The monorails can be completely safe.

I think it relevant to point out that at a time that you are under attack with safety inspections, it’s not good optics to have rumors of reduction in maintenance.

 

[LSLS]

But for your logic to extend the analogy, you would have to argue that Disney and RCID are "associates," which is exactly the opposite of what Disney has claimed in the past.

I just think it's a stretch for Disney to spend decades saying "RCID is a neutral third party, they're not a puppet government controlled by our corporation" and then turn around and claim "woah woah woah, an attack on them is an attack on us."

It's not though. I would think it's a pretty easy case to make that the elected board was elected to serve the voters in the district.

 

[peter11435]

But for your logic to extend the analogy, you would have to argue that Disney and RCID are "associates," which is exactly the opposite of what Disney has claimed in the past.

I just think it's a stretch for Disney to spend decades saying "RCID is a neutral third party, they're not a puppet government controlled by our corporation" and then turn around and claim "woah woah woah, an attack on them is an attack on us."

Still doing this?

It’s not a stretch. They were very clear. They went after Reedy Creek in order to punish Disney. They have told you this. Believe them.

 

[Lilofan]

We have heard from insiders here about an overall reduction in maintenance. I don’t know if that is true or not.

I have heard some express concerns about the safety of space mountain although I have no idea if those concerns have any basis in reality.

When people hear things like reduction in maintenance, I’m sure safety is something that comes to mind.

Reduction in maintenance may mean upkeep ( painting, rehab, may be more visual decline of parks and resorts, not working items in parks attractions etc ). These are not safety related.

 

[Trauma]

Reduction in maintenance may mean upkeep ( painting, rehab, may be more visual decline of parks and resorts, not working items in parks attractions etc ). These are not safety related.

Correct.

Maybe I’m not doing a good job, I’m terrible with words, but I’m just pointing out the optics or how that sounds to the average person.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

These are not safety related.

They can be.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I would think falsifying an inspection report for something pertaining to public safety and mass transit would but illegal.

These “inspectors” hate Disney so much they are willing to suffer legal consequences?

I think you are a little into conspiracy theory land with this.

I don’t think ANYONE posting here is accusing the state inspectors of falsifying information JUST to satisfy the governor…BUT, there are allowances and ranges that equipment can fall into to be deemed satisfactory and/or acceptable…there are margins of error. Maybe inspectors will be given direction that where the tolerance was +\- 10%, and inspector will fail something that is 10.1% or 9%? It’s close enough to fail even though it’s within the margin of error?
That, I think COULD happen. Maybe the inspector will check allowances an additional 3 times just to triple check when they know full well that it passed just to delay the inspection?
There’s SO many ways that small, insignificant details can be stretched out to just torment the Mouse…will it happen? Maybe…Could it happen? ABSOLUTELY.
They’re not being dishonest, they’re just MUCH less tolerant.

 

[Trauma]

They can be.

Is this just a statement or do you have any kind of information?

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I doubt state inspectors would be working on Christmas day.

No, but 30 minutes before rope drop could happen…

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Is this just a statement or do you have any kind of information?

It’s a fact. Reduced maintenance can = a safety concern. I’m not saying if it currently is or isn’t.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Still doing this?

It’s not a stretch. They were very clear. They went after Reedy Creek in order to punish Disney. They have told you this. Believe them.

Doesn't matter, legally. You don't get to lump everyone you disagree with into a collective "they," and you don't get to lump everyone you agree with into a collective "we."

DeSantis was clear in what he wanted. That one guy (senate majority leader I think?) was very clear in what he wanted. The Florida legislature is made up of 160 people. DeSantis bloviating in a speech doesn't impute legislative intent onto the entire body.

 

[Trauma]

I’m not going to get into the legalities of this I’m not a lawyer. I do know a thing or two about safety inspections though.

What concerns me the most is who will be conducting the inspections.

Not because they are out for some type of political retribution but because someone unqualified conducting a safety inspection can actually lead to a serious safety issue.

 

[StaceyH_SD]

Here are my issues with the monrail inspections:

-it’s clearly part of a pattern of retaliation against disney, regardless of whether inspections may be a good thing or not. this wasn’t prompted by an accident or safety issue that just came up, it’s all about DeSantis and the legislature using the power of the government for retaliation

-the inspections can (and i expect) will be on the up-and-up but that doesn’t stop the governor or the CFTOD or the legislature from using the results of the inspection as some bad faith gotcha. I can totally see DeSantis holding one of his fake press conferences at Reedy Creek HQ waving around a report about how unsafe Disney is or whatever

 

[mkt]

I would think falsifying an inspection report for something pertaining to public safety and mass transit would but illegal.

These “inspectors” hate Disney so much they are willing to suffer legal consequences?

I think you are a little into conspiracy theory land with this.

Take a peek at Fuller v Carollo, presently in trial at the federal court in Miami. Specifically the witness testimony, where in Florida, the power of government - but police and regulatory - was used against a political enemy (Fuller) at the behest of a politician (Carollo).

 

[Lilofan]

It’s a fact. Reduced maintenance can = a safety concern. I’m not saying if it currently is or isn’t.

Didn't know that lack of painting a wall or partial side of attraction to give a fresh coat of paint is a safety concern.