News DeSantis moves to bring state safety oversight of the Walt Disney World Monorail including suspending the service for inspections

[celluloid]

3% of all bridges in FL are considered structurally deficient.

Which is actually a low number, nationwide.

Sounds pretty good. And it does not seem to be something that would shut down a monorail. So any argument saying that FL would somehow be harsher on Disney would be weird.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But I again point to the ABC issue of late. The Gov tells the liquor board to go and investigate these venues... and what does the investigation find? No violations.

But as I said in my other post, I don't think the Gov needs them to nitpick or find issues... just having the oversight, the threat, and the ability to force you over some speed bumps is power enough to make the move have some teeth.

In some of those cases they’re moving forward with trying to revoke licenses despite the staff no finding cause.

 

[flynnibus]

In some of those cases they’re moving forward with trying to revoke licenses despite the staff no finding cause.

Sure - but the topic was over inspector integrity and the point being the inspectors being foul isn't the keystone to this initiative.

 

[celluloid]

I think the Harambe train is also transportation. Just like the Hogwarts Express.

Peoplemover is a ride. WDW Railroad is technically transportation as well.

The act doesn’t target Universal though, so I guess it doesn’t matter what we consider the Hogwarts Express.

The Hogwarts Express for fun fact purposes and technical information, is also a cable based ride. It is more akin to a Skyliner chairlift system as it is the same tech inline cable railways use. A pulley system, not an actual powered vehicle railroad.

They also, have not had doors fall off and structural integrity questioned as often as the Monorails have in the last five years and is not past its designed intended service life.

 

[Brian]

They also, have not had doors fall off and structural integrity questioned as often as the Monorails have in the last five years and is not past its designed intended service life.

Right? Some of the same people decrying the idea of additional inspections of the monorail system are the same people who were rightfully concerned in the thread about this issue:

Monorail Support beams needing repair!

Anyone else see this image from Bioreconstruct of one of the monorail supports with damage and rust? I would think there are probably others in similar condition. I would be curious to see how long before it gets fixed.

forums.wdwmagic.com

This issue was, thankfully, fixed quite quickly. But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this one and others, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

 

[tanc]

I don't know the technicalities behind all this and the gray areas, but it's going to be really interesting if this gets implemented. My guess is we will probably see more downtime with monorails since the expectations will be higher. Despite making a joke about it earlier, I do think it would be pretty cool to get modernized monorails, but at the same time I don't see Disney properly investing into them. It feels like a lose lose situation, unless if they really were to redo the monorails and have them turn out superior... which I just don't see happening.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Right? Some of the same people decrying the idea of additional inspections of the monorail system are the same people who were rightfully concerned in the thread about this issue:

Monorail Support beams needing repair!

Anyone else see this image from Bioreconstruct of one of the monorail supports with damage and rust? I would think there are probably others in similar condition. I would be curious to see how long before it gets fixed.

forums.wdwmagic.com

This issue was, thankfully, fixed quite quickly. But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this one and others, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

Because they’re completely unrelated.

 

[flynnibus]

This issue was, thankfully, fixed quite quickly. But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

Keywords... "I suspect"

AKA this is not actual proof of anything because you don't actually know how long it was this way, nor the normal response time, nor anything about if the company knew about it or it's intents towards it.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

To me yes...I don't like attacks on their character because people don't like the gov. I don't find it difficult to hold that position while at the same time being uncomfortable with the gov's recent decision making...

I don’t think that the average person is saying that the inspectors are going in with malice as much as they will be given their marching orders from their superiors and up the ladder leading to an office in Tallahassee.
I think the inspectors will be going in with the attitude of not making stuff up but rather not showing ANY room for interpretation. A retail manager has been given his marching orders from their DM to terminate a subpar employee…how? They get a write up for being 3.00 over/under on their registers…2.99, no write up…3.00 write up…3 write ups and it’s termination. You find the penny to make the 3.00, and terminate.
The team will not be given any leeway to interpret their findings…if you don’t think instances like this don’t go on, you are truly naive. It has, does and will go on. Will the inspectors be dishonest? Nope…will they pass something that might be in the margin of error or in the inspectors discretion to pass or fail? Nope, and that’s a part of how they will attempt to make Disney’s life miserable.

 

[celluloid]

Right? Some of the same people decrying the idea of additional inspections of the monorail system are the same people who were rightfully concerned in the thread about this issue:

Monorail Support beams needing repair!

Anyone else see this image from Bioreconstruct of one of the monorail supports with damage and rust? I would think there are probably others in similar condition. I would be curious to see how long before it gets fixed.

forums.wdwmagic.com

This issue was, thankfully, fixed quite quickly. But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

Because they’re completely unrelated.

If a company is not trusted enough to make their transportation safe. Than it understandable why an outside transportation regulation inspection may bring some good things. Regardless of the initial reason being questionable in timing.

 

[Andrew C]

I don’t think that the average person is saying that the inspectors are going in with malice as much as they will be given their marching orders from their superiors and up the ladder leading to an office in Tallahassee.
I think the inspectors will be going in with the attitude of not making stuff up but rather not showing ANY room for interpretation. A retail manager has been given his marching orders from their DM to terminate a subpar employee…how? They get a write up for being 3.00 over/under on their registers…2.99, no write up…3.00 write up…3 write ups and it’s termination. You find the penny to make the 3.00, and terminate.
The team will not be given any leeway to interpret their findings…if you don’t think instances like this don’t go on, you are truly naive. It has, does and will go on. Will the inspectors be dishonest? Nope…will they pass something that might be in the margin of error or in the inspectors discretion to pass or fail? Nope, and that’s a part of how they will attempt to make Disney’s life miserable.

I was going to like this post...then saw the little shot in there, hesitated...but liked it anyways.

 

[Stripes]

It appears the amendment went through committee today without changing the language to say “independent districts created by special act” instead of “local act.”

Despite the amendment meant to target Disney, it doesn’t. RCID was created by a special act of the Florida legislature not a local act by Orange and Osceola counties.

 

[tissandtully]

But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this one and others, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

There's no way you know that lol

 

[Brian]

Keywords... "I suspect"

AKA this is not actual proof of anything because you don't actually know how long it was this way, nor the normal response time, nor anything about if the company knew about it or it's intents towards it.

You're correct. I don't keep in touch with anyone in transportation or any other department with knowledge of maintenance issues such as these, and even if I did, I wouldn't be able to provide "proof."

What I can say is that, in general, when a spotlight is put on a show quality and/or safety issue by sites like this one and the one run by "unscrupulous," the issues tend to get fixed much quicker.

 

[tissandtully]

I guess the mods want to be real busy moderating two political threads

 

[Brian]

There's no way you know that lol

Yeah, that's why I said "I suspect."

Is speculating no longer permitted around here? Or is it only permitted when considering just how evil and unethical the FDOT inspectors will be?

 

[celluloid]

Keywords... "I suspect"

AKA this is not actual proof of anything because you don't actually know how long it was this way, nor the normal response time, nor anything about if the company knew about it or it's intents towards it.

The person was fair and said suspect.

What we DO Know, and everyone should admit, is Disney's Monorails should not have panels and doors falling off or safety overrides failing as often as they do.
An outside source inspection is not guaranteed to help, but it sure sounds like it is needed. Regardless of the cause people find with it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If a company is not trusted enough to make their transportation safe. Than it understandable why an outside transportation regulation inspection may bring some good things. Regardless of the initial reason being questionable in timing.

The ends do not justify the means. You are just trying to obfuscate the actual motivation which gives it legitimacy. Every abuse of power is justified by some need. If this was based on a genuine need then it would apply uniformly across the state, not to just one very particularly type of special district that wasn’t even properly identified because this has not been properly considered.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This issue was, thankfully, fixed quite quickly. But if not for the reporting of Bioreconstruct, and the subsequent attention the issue received on sites like this one and others, I suspect it would have taken longer to be addressed.

I mean, none of us are structural engineers (and if any of us are, none of us have inspected that site), so nobody actually knows if that issue even needed attention. It could have been entirely cosmetic but within tolerances for safe operation of the system.

 

[Chi84]

Yeah, that's why I said "I suspect."

Is speculating no longer permitted around here? Or is it only permitted when considering just how evil and unethical the FDOT inspectors will be?

I don’t think people are saying in general that state inspectors are unethical. But when the only reason for ordering the inspections is political retribution, it tends to taint the entire process.

I posted earlier that I wonder what the workers actually inconvenienced by this political nonsense think about it.