Dead Monsters?

[WDW1974]

Great instead of MI coaster we get an expansion at MK filled with pointless crap execpt TLM and a restaurant.

Here goes the WDW Hater defending da Mouse ...

First, the plans haven't been announced. Everything I've heard and pieced together leads me to believe that F-Land will be getting at least three attractions of some kind (and no, I am not counting meet and greets), as well as new shopping and dining facilities and much better theming all around as well as plussing to existing attractions.

Now ... we all know plans change. But everything says this is going to be significant.

Beyond that, Jungle Cruise is next up for its plussing (delayed for 3-4 years thus far) much like Mansion, Pirates, Small World, HoP have all gotten.

And there are still plans (in flux naturally) to reopen the Adventureland Veranda with a pirates themed buffet experience in time for the next film.

In other words, there's a lot on the table (I know there are a few other things being talked about too) for MK.

From a fanboi's standpoint, I'll gladly sacrifice (not that I, or any of us have a choice) a short coaster shoehorned into an existing facility at my least favorite WDW park for bringing some life to the No. 1 theme park in the world.

 

[Missing20K]

Here goes the WDW Hater defending da Mouse ...

First, the plans haven't been announced. Everything I've heard and pieced together leads me to believe that F-Land will be getting at least three attractions of some kind (and no, I am not counting meet and greets), as well as new shopping and dining facilities and much better theming all around as well as plussing to existing attractions.

Now ... we all know plans change. But everything says this is going to be significant.

Beyond that, Jungle Cruise is next up for its plussing (delayed for 3-4 years thus far) much like Mansion, Pirates, Small World, HoP have all gotten.

And there are still plans (in flux naturally) to reopen the Adventureland Veranda with a pirates themed buffet experience in time for the next film.

In other words, there's a lot on the table (I know there are a few other things being talked about too) for MK.

From a fanboi's standpoint, I'll gladly sacrifice (not that I, or any of us have a choice) a short coaster shoehorned into an existing facility at my least favorite WDW park for bringing some life to the No. 1 theme park in the world.

Wait a second, so you are saying the MK is getting a huge influx of new attractions, shops, theming, as well as refurbs?? But I thought you hated WDW and had sinister, ulterior motives?? You're such a doom and gloomer. :animwink:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Here goes the WDW Hater defending da Mouse ...

First, the plans haven't been announced. Everything I've heard and pieced together leads me to believe that F-Land will be getting at least three attractions of some kind (and no, I am not counting meet and greets), as well as new shopping and dining facilities and much better theming all around as well as plussing to existing attractions.

Now ... we all know plans change. But everything says this is going to be significant.

Beyond that, Jungle Cruise is next up for its plussing (delayed for 3-4 years thus far) much like Mansion, Pirates, Small World, HoP have all gotten.

And there are still plans (in flux naturally) to reopen the Adventureland Veranda with a pirates themed buffet experience in time for the next film.

In other words, there's a lot on the table (I know there are a few other things being talked about too) for MK.

From a fanboi's standpoint, I'll gladly sacrifice (not that I, or any of us have a choice) a short coaster shoehorned into an existing facility at my least favorite WDW park for bringing some life to the No. 1 theme park in the world.

*nods* Fantastically said.:wave:

 

[WDW1974]

Like I said it is not a cut. I really believe that they want MI to debut with the Monsters 2 movie but it was going forward in case ST2 wasn't going to happen. Disney does not control Lucas, so I have a feeling the MI coaster was the "plan b". Again I'm engaging in conjecture. We should know more during D23's convention.

Star Tours 2.0 has been a go in the sense of Disney and Lucas since at least 2006 (I believe 2005).

The coaster in no way was a plan B or anything of the like.

There was a plan for both and now there isn't.

And I have no clue whether you'll hear anything about ST 2.0 at D23. The big 'announcement' was supposed to be Fantasyland, but now with the leaked blueprints they may actually have to WOW the crowd a bit more.

I won't care. I'll be in Paris (of course, unfortunately, they do have the Internet there too so I guess I'll be hearing about it!)

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Star Tours 2.0 has been a go in the sense of Disney and Lucas since at least 2006 (I believe 2005).

The coaster in no way was a plan B or anything of the like.

There was a plan for both and now there isn't.

And I have no clue whether you'll hear anything about ST 2.0 at D23. The big 'announcement' was supposed to be Fantasyland, but now with the leaked blueprints they may actually have to WOW the crowd a bit more.

I won't care. I'll be in Paris (of course, unfortunately, they do have the Internet there too so I guess I'll be hearing about it!)

Fine by me. Announce more, do more. I'm liking the person who leaked the FL Plans.


And leave the Laptop at home.:lol:

 

[WDW1974]

My concern with this is the fact that the Studios is in desperate need of an attraction and expanding Pixar Place is what is necessary. While Studios does have a fair selection of attractions it still isn't worth staying a day. Magic Kingdom has a large selection and there is more to see, so Fantasyland doesn't need to be rushed.

MK has serious capacity issues. This is what finally got Burbank's attention. A park that once could fit over 90,000 people in it (and that was pre-Splash Mountain, pre-Toontown Faire and pre-new walkways in both of those lands) now appears (at least to newbie's and young fanbois) very crowded on days when attendance goes over 40,000 (which is most days).

You take out two E-Tickets (Space Mountain and HoP) and a constant-moving people-eater (TTA) as happened this spring and add in the wonders of FP, double-wide strollers and ECVs by the thousands (since no one wants to walk) and it gets very uncomfortable, very quickly.

Too much was taken out and not replaced. Too many dead zones exist. And then there's the staleness factor, which probably bothers regulars like me a lot more than it does TDO or Burbank, but is still a factor.

Studios may have its issues, but it also debutted AIE and TSMM recently (and both are extremely popular) and a 'new' (for this coast anyway) parade/street party.

And again, there are seven attractions that can be changed/updated/upgraded in major ways without construction of any significance there.

I'd hate to lose my Disney Basher LE pin, but I can't criticize this one.

There's only so much money to go around. You have billions going into Anaheim, Hong Kong, Paris, (soon MK), Hawaii and ships on the high seas. Oh, and let's not forget a HUGE resort in Shanghai with a MK that will be a whole lot closer to DLP at opening than HKDL and will also debut with 3-4 resorts and a Downtown Disney-type area.

I want to see more at WDW. Especially at EPCOT ... but they're actually doing the smartest thing here.

Harry Potter will not affect this at all however. The people who go to Disney will still go to Disney and anyone else will be at IOA.

I don't want to go back and forth on this, so I should just ignore it.

But there are plenty of people -- most Central Florida theme park visitors -- who make choices for a variety of reasons.

Harry Potter will be MAJOR and it will affect those choices. That's just common sense (but I haven't had my pixie dust yet today!)

 

[WDW1974]

Have a little faith in Lasseter if nothing else. It'll be OK.

Many of us do. Especially those of us who actually have met the man and have friends who work with him.

That said, JL is extremely busy these days on the Pixar/WDFA end of the business, his bread and butter.

He is spending very little time in Glendale.

All the meetings on Carsland at DCA right now are actually being held upstate because he doesn't have the time to get down to SoCal.

With all that in mind, I think people are deluding themselves if they think he has things like 'MK' listed on some magical 'to do' list.

It's not that he doesn't care. It's just there's only so much one person can do, especially when they care about quality above all else on whatever projects they are currently working on.

Jay Rasulo still is running the show at WDI through Bruce Vaughn, and the environment is still largely toxic.

How bad is it? Both Tony Baxter and Tom Fitzgerald are agreeing on things!

Seriously.

 

[Jasonflz]

MK has serious capacity issues. This is what finally got Burbank's attention. A park that once could fit over 90,000 people in it (and that was pre-Splash Mountain, pre-Toontown Faire and pre-new walkways in both of those lands) now appears (at least to newbie's and young fanbois) very crowded on days when attendance goes over 40,000 (which is most days).

You take out two E-Tickets (Space Mountain and HoP) and a constant-moving people-eater (TTA) as happened this spring and add in the wonders of FP, double-wide strollers and ECVs by the thousands (since no one wants to walk) and it gets very uncomfortable, very quickly.

Too much was taken out and not replaced. Too many dead zones exist. And then there's the staleness factor, which probably bothers regulars like me a lot more than it does TDO or Burbank, but is still a factor.

Studios may have its issues, but it also debutted AIE and TSMM recently (and both are extremely popular) and a 'new' (for this coast anyway) parade/street party.

And again, there are seven attractions that can be changed/updated/upgraded in major ways without construction of any significance there.

I'd hate to lose my Disney Basher LE pin, but I can't criticize this one.

There's only so much money to go around. You have billions going into Anaheim, Hong Kong, Paris, (soon MK), Hawaii and ships on the high seas. Oh, and let's not forget a HUGE resort in Shanghai with a MK that will be a whole lot closer to DLP at opening than HKDL and will also debut with 3-4 resorts and a Downtown Disney-type area.

I want to see more at WDW. Especially at EPCOT ... but they're actually doing the smartest thing here.

Well said. I suppose that MK does need it way more badly than DHS, which tends to never be very crowded. If 3 attractions closed down congests an entire area than by all means, fix that problem. I am also hopeful that Toontown gets the full axe and that the new area will attract more visitors. This apparent "cut" most likely won't affect the FL project too extensively. (if it is even true)

I don't want to go back and forth on this, so I should just ignore it.

But there are plenty of people -- most Central Florida theme park visitors -- who make choices for a variety of reasons.

Harry Potter will be MAJOR and it will affect those choices. That's just common sense (but I haven't had my pixie dust yet today!)

:lol: It probably will affect the average tourist's choice on where to go (depending on how Universal decides to advertise the park). Most likely, HP will be a hit or miss but I do agree, it could be MAJOR and could steal a percentage of WDW's regular guests if it turns out right. I think many fans won't budge though.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Jungle Cruise next for major refurb!? Any guess on a start date, 74? And what of CoP?

 

[WDW1974]

MI being delayed will likely be a positive thing in the long run. But 74 and conundrum couldn't wait to get on these boards and spin it as an anti-management rant and to stir people up, especially the AC people. He knows how to channel their anger to his will.

Wow. I am really powerful ... (actually, I am, but I'm talking where it matters not on Disney fan sites!)

And if you weren't so quick to attack, you might actually read what I write. I am not criticizing Disney for this at all.

You spin so well you should work for FOX.

 

[WDW1974]

Just look at the time stamps when this thread opened. The usual suspects were all over it. So they have no lives and are just sitting around waiting for gloom threads, or it was coordinated. Too much went down within several minutes of the OP for it not to have been a coordinated effort by at least 2 people.

JT ... you are a hoot. Really. The official MAGIC troll.

I don't coordinate my threads with anyone. Judging by the fact you can't ignore a single thread of mine (well, except my trip observation thread where I gushed about how great WDW was ... never did see you on that one!), one would think you have no-life and live for my posts.

Either that or you just have an online hard-on for me!

 

[Missing20K]

I guess my post got lost in the mess of this thread, but a couple questions. One for 74, you said the Hat coming down is still in the works, probably by 2012. In time for the 40th? Or just after?

The other question regards WDW Insiders claim that Pixar Place will be getting a second expansion in the near future.

For what it's worth, I can tell you that Disney's Hollywood Studios is receiving many new changes in the shortterm. I won't comment on the status of the new coaster, but I can tell you that a second expansion of Pixar Place is soon in coming, a major change to one of our attractions at DHS is on the way, Star Tours 2.0 is on the way, etc.

Could this be anything but the rumored re-theme of the HISTK play area to A Bug's Life?

 

[WDW1974]

I know WDW Insider is fairly new, and they are making some pretty bold posts about the future projects. Could be real, could not be. But my only observation from this thread is that he/she is 100% sure MI is being canned. But then why is the thread titled "Dead Monsters?" Should the end punctuation for such a sure statement be an exclamation point, or nothing at all? I'm not saying it's not true, but everyone already has MI out of the near future plans just because a random poster decided to voice an opinion or make something up. Heck I could have easily signed up under a different e-mail address and said that Beastly Kingdomme was just green lit over the FL expansion according to my "very reputable source".

First, I was the OP just to be clear. Not 'Insider'. And I stand behind the information. I used a question mark because, frankly, I wasn't thinking about punctuation and besides, folks can always claim that something will happen 'in the future' ... by that criteria everything from Discovery Bay to the Western River Expedition to the Iran pavilion for EPCOT 'may' happen in the future.

What's the saying about no guarantees in life?

But right now, the status of this project is DEAD. No lights. No colors of the rainbow. No delay. Just dead.

Let's not count MI out right away until further known insiders surface or some kind of announcement is made.

Disney doesn't make announcements over attractions they aren't building that were never announced to the public.

Of course, some folks here do still think BK is coming to DAK, so what can you do?

Try to set them straight and then ignore them.

 

[jt04]

Wait a second, so you are saying the MK is getting a huge influx of new attractions, shops, theming, as well as refurbs?? But I thought you hated WDW and had sinister, ulterior motives?? You're such a doom and gloomer. :animwink:

Steve is bringing him around. You have to admit he has really evolved from his first postings that always mentioned walmart. Or was it Target? Or maybe K-Mart. :shrug: Can't remember.

And I'll stand by my belief MI was a plan b that will happen eventually.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Steve is bringing him around. You have to admit he has really evolved from his first postings that always mentioned walmart. Or was it Target? Or maybe K-Mart. :shrug: Can't remember.

And I'll stand by my belief MI was a plan b that will happen eventually.

Cant remember? I thought you kept files, or was it flies?

 

[WDW1974]

So, just in time for the 40th?? Or just after??

I was told the goal is for it to be history before the start of FY'12.

On the topic of the 40th, has there been any word on when it might actually start? Will they wait until October, or will it start at the beginning of the calender year 2011??

I have heard no definitive information that Disney has any intention of even acknowledging the 40th. The projects for the MK are clearly going to last for years, well beyond that milestone, so I until I hear otherwise I assume they'll ignore the 40th.

If they don't, then it would likely start on 10/1/11.

And back to the topic at hand, if MI coaster is dead, and WDW Insider states Pixar Place will have a second expansion in the near future, could they possibly be talking about anything but a re-theme of HISTK Play area, to a Bug's Life?

That's an easy one. But there are many small scale things (like that) which could and likely will be done over time.

BTW, forgot to mention on my negative WDW thread that Luxo was always under a tarp and never worked when I was there.

 

[jt04]

Cant remember? I thought you kept files, or was it flies?

Only in my brain. :lookaroun

Nice Avatar BTW. All the words of the album are in my brain too.

Best PF album by far.

 

[JustInTime]

Here goes the WDW Hater defending da Mouse ...

First, the plans haven't been announced. Everything I've heard and pieced together leads me to believe that F-Land will be getting at least three attractions of some kind (and no, I am not counting meet and greets), as well as new shopping and dining facilities and much better theming all around as well as plussing to existing attractions.

Now ... we all know plans change. But everything says this is going to be significant.

Beyond that, Jungle Cruise is next up for its plussing (delayed for 3-4 years thus far) much like Mansion, Pirates, Small World, HoP have all gotten.

And there are still plans (in flux naturally) to reopen the Adventureland Veranda with a pirates themed buffet experience in time for the next film.

In other words, there's a lot on the table (I know there are a few other things being talked about too) for MK.

From a fanboi's standpoint, I'll gladly sacrifice (not that I, or any of us have a choice) a short coaster shoehorned into an existing facility at my least favorite WDW park for bringing some life to the No. 1 theme park in the world.

I can handel MI getting put on hold for MK. I like everything you said.

 

[jt04]

BTW, forgot to mention on my negative WDW thread that Luxo was always under a tarp and never worked when I was there.

Perhaps Luxo fears you.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Only in my brain. :lookaroun

Nice Avatar BTW. All the words of the album are in my brain too.

Best PF album by far.

Excreta! I agree with you about something. :shrug: And heres you claiming your not a doom and gloomer. Next thing youll be admiting that Disney isnt perfect.