Tigerace81
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Thanks for the better pictures Samuele. I guess I should have zoomed in on mine but it served its purpose lol.
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Davy Crockett Canoes
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FutureWorld1982
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ops, sorry, i didn't know that you posted a picture too...
By the way I took the picture from the Liberty Square Riverboat, so i had A LOT of time to zoom
By the way I took the picture from the Liberty Square Riverboat, so i had A LOT of time to zoom
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Ummmm, Please explain. Inquiring minds want to know.
:lol:The majority of DL's visitors are Ap's which = Disney fans. The majority of WDW's visitors are tourists = Not huge Disney parks fans (to the extent where they are on internet forum and so on). Basically, DL guests would try harder b/c they care more. While there are still a good amount of WDW fans who appreciate this type of stuff, there are far more tourists than the amount of WDW fans which = DL visitors trying harder than WDW visitors. It's as simple as that
I hope you are joking since this is about asinine as Figment1986 statement to begin with.
Christi22222
Active Member
I've never heard of this concept in the parks of "kinetic energy." But this is an excellent point. Even if it isn't the canoes, something of this sort needs to come back. The biggest loss I felt as a visitor was with the Skyway leaving. It covered so much of the park and truly made things feel like they were "happening" even when the park was slow or you found a quiet corner. What is wrong with TDO that they can't see this? Wouldn't it be a basic theme park concept?
Christi22222
Active Member
For the record, I have heard of kinetic energy, just not in the theme park context!
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
I always thought the skyway at WDW looked very Six Flags'ish and cheap.
Just my opinion.... I completely respect that you liked them. :wave:
Christi22222
Active Member
On one level, I totally agree. But they were so iconic and showed up in so many of our photos, that I think they somehow transcended "tacky" for me (and my family). And I always associated them with the "alps" station and that seemed to make it fit.
However, I don't necessarily need them back. I just feel there is a total lack of "kinetic energy" in the park, even if I didn't know what to call it until today!
However, I don't necessarily need them back. I just feel there is a total lack of "kinetic energy" in the park, even if I didn't know what to call it until today!
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
If the skyway buckets were unique like the attraction poster from DL maybe, but what I remember is they resemble, or Six Flags buckets, resembled WDW buckets and I just dont like the parallel. :lol:
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
Not to mention that you could see grungy tops of show buildings and "hidden areas", which I think destroyed a lot of the illusion of the MK. The sense of loss people express over the Skyway really boggles my mind, and I think is really inconsistent coming from those who indicate that they value cohesive theming, high-quality attractions, and the "illusion" of the parks so much.
Reading such high praise of the Skyway suggests, to me at least, that a lot of people care more about nostalgia for nostalgia's sake than they care about the supposed "higher quality" of extinct attractions.
Reading such high praise of the Skyway suggests, to me at least, that a lot of people care more about nostalgia for nostalgia's sake than they care about the supposed "higher quality" of extinct attractions.
Christi22222
Active Member
Hmmm, I don't think I want to debate the merits (or lack thereof) of the Skyway, especially since I made clear that it had nothing to do with the "quality" of the attraction. The discussion at this point is purely as it relates to the presence of "kinetic energy" in the park. The Skyway offered this elsusive and intangible quality, as did the canoes and keelboats. Fine to take them away, but replace them with offerings that create a similar sense of "things happening" throughout the park.
I realize that I apparently hit a sore subject regarding the Skyway. Didn't realize it was a lightning rod as I've never been in a discussion on it. But if you read my posts, you will see that I didn't claim anything more than a sense of nostalgia that keeps it's "tackiness" from tainting my memories of the park. My only longing is for the energy it brought. I'd be more interested in what other options folks think there might be to increase this sort of kinetic energy in the park.
Christi22222
Active Member
Possibly this statement is what indicated such a great love of the Skyway? I supposed I should have written more clearly, "the biggest loss I felt ***OF KINETIC ENERGY*** as a visitor...." I didn't mean the Skyway itself was the biggest loss I felt! That would actually be kind of funny...in a sad little way.
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out or debate with you--I don't disagree with what you've said about kinetic energy (the park definitely needs more), my post was merely as an extension of jmaxwell's and a further "thread drift."
Definitely not a sore subject with me! I just always read how people love and miss the Skyway but have never responded with why I thought it was a lousy attraction. Probably not the most appropriate place for me to interject my thoughts on the topic!
CumulusIsobar
Member
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out or debate with you--I don't disagree with what you've said about kinetic energy (the park definitely needs more), my post was merely as an extension of jmaxwell's and a further "thread drift."
Definitely not a sore subject with me! I just always read how people love and miss the Skyway but have never responded with why I thought it was a lousy attraction. Probably not the most appropriate place for me to interject my thoughts on the topic!
Besides the nostalgia factor, I suppose the Skyway did help to get from point A to point B for those too exhausted to walk. This was back in the days before there was a train station on the east side of the park so the Skyway could help cut off some walking distance if you were willing to wait.
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Now we have the internet... and we dont need the skyway to see all behind the scenes.
I always found that I could get to B from A or A from B faster than waiting in line and then riding. I do however get the break from walking.... that is why i frequent the TTA. Unfortunately, it drops me off the same spot it picked me up.
EmperorMilenko
New Member
I wasn't alive to see the skyway stations in action but its a boring concept that isn't unique to any park. :shrug: i dont see why most amusement parks deem it necessary. though i do agree on the kinetic energy. Everytime I've visited DL I've done the canoes and in Florida...no way friggin' way. Though something should be put in whether it' along the lines of the riverboat or the TTA. kinetic energy is always good
TP2000
Well-Known Member
In addition to the action and energy the Canoes bring to the Rivers of America, it's also a very unique way to see that big section of the park. You aren't way up high on the Riverboat or Sailing Ship Columbia, you are down low just a foot above the water. And since they are not on a track like the big boats, the guides take them wherever they want along the way, getting up close views of the animals and Indians and stuff.
It just adds to the fabric of the overall experience. I'm still surprised WDW only has one boat left on their Rivers of America, where the other Disneyland-style parks all have at least two or three touring options; Riverboat, Sailing Ship Columbia, Canoes, Keelboats, or a combination thereof.
In addition to the high-concept talk about kinetic energy and fabric, the Canoes also affords an up close and personal interaction with the paddlewheel on the Mark Twain!
http://www.colddeadfish.net/images/DLR/goofy-canoe.jpg
Hey, that's Goofy in a Davy Crockett outfit paddling in the back of that canoe!
(Yet another thing Disneyland does well with its Rivers of America attractions).
KaliSplash
Well-Known Member
Philosophically, I'm opposed to eliminating attractions and not replacing them with something. But in the case of the canoes, the keelboats and the Skyway...
The canoes are something I never tried, even though they were there for years after I started going to the park. Just never struck me as something I wanted to do. (Never did the Swanboats, either, which I do regret. But they went away long before the canoes.
The keelboats we would do occasionally. But they were mercilessly hot in the summer. If you were inside, you were really suffering. If you were on top, you were suffering in direct sunlight.
The problem with the Skyway, as someone mentioned, was that you could see the top of the show buildings. You could see that Fantasyland consisted of handful large buildings, as opposed to all the different facades at groundlevel. Not exciting.
As to contributing to the enery level in the park, I agree. There's a host of things that used to just go on that don't seem to much anymore. Barbarshop quartet roaming, the marching Band, the College All-Star Band, J.P. and the Silver Stars in Adventureland. Gunfights in Frontierland. etc.
The atmosphere, if you will.
No profit in them, of course. Just an expense
The canoes are something I never tried, even though they were there for years after I started going to the park. Just never struck me as something I wanted to do. (Never did the Swanboats, either, which I do regret. But they went away long before the canoes.
The keelboats we would do occasionally. But they were mercilessly hot in the summer. If you were inside, you were really suffering. If you were on top, you were suffering in direct sunlight.
The problem with the Skyway, as someone mentioned, was that you could see the top of the show buildings. You could see that Fantasyland consisted of handful large buildings, as opposed to all the different facades at groundlevel. Not exciting.
As to contributing to the enery level in the park, I agree. There's a host of things that used to just go on that don't seem to much anymore. Barbarshop quartet roaming, the marching Band, the College All-Star Band, J.P. and the Silver Stars in Adventureland. Gunfights in Frontierland. etc.
The atmosphere, if you will.
No profit in them, of course. Just an expense
EmperorMilenko
New Member
Philosophically, I'm opposed to eliminating attractions and not replacing them with something. But in the case of the canoes, the keelboats and the Skyway...
The canoes are something I never tried, even though they were there for years after I started going to the park. Just never struck me as something I wanted to do. (Never did the Swanboats, either, which I do regret. But they went away long before the canoes.
The keelboats we would do occasionally. But they were mercilessly hot in the summer. If you were inside, you were really suffering. If you were on top, you were suffering in direct sunlight.
The problem with the Skyway, as someone mentioned, was that you could see the top of the show buildings. You could see that Fantasyland consisted of handful large buildings, as opposed to all the different facades at groundlevel. Not exciting.
As to contributing to the enery level in the park, I agree. There's a host of things that used to just go on that don't seem to much anymore. Barbarshop quartet roaming, the marching Band, the College All-Star Band, J.P. and the Silver Stars in Adventureland. Gunfights in Frontierland. etc.
The atmosphere, if you will.
No profit in them, of course. Just an expense
The keelboats are another thing that I don't remember so dont have much input into. And that seems like a major flaw with the skyway. Show buildings in plain site...BLASPHEMY! But there definately isnt enough roaming entertainment. And I haven't seen the pianist at caseys corner on my past 3 visits...is he still around?
WDWFanatic
Active Member
I agree that there is alot of atmosphere that is missing I miss the little things that most people that arent hard core fans dont care about. One thing about the skyway that i see being a problem that i didnt see mentioned yet is that kids and teens throw stuff or even spit off of rides like that. They have no common courtesy and have a sense of entitlement nowadays. So yet another reason to get rid of it. I loved the ride, I liked seeing everything up high but i see the reasons for taking it out.
So someone explain to me why they took off the paddlewheel off of the empress lilly?? give me a reason for that stupidity! talk about taking away the main character of the place.:brick:
I did see the pianist at caseys the last time i was there in december
So someone explain to me why they took off the paddlewheel off of the empress lilly?? give me a reason for that stupidity! talk about taking away the main character of the place.:brick:
I did see the pianist at caseys the last time i was there in december