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MagicHappens1971

Well-Known Member
Yes, let's do the math. At $15/LL slot, if they sold 2k slots for one ride in a day, that's $11 million in a year. And there are only 4 rides with LL at the moment. WDI can't do a site survey for $11 million these days. When new rides are going north of $200-300 million, your argument breaks down in a hurry. Bump it up to 5k slots per day and you're still looking at 8 years to recover $200 million in construction costs for one ride. GotG was double that cost, if not a shade more.

Granted that prior to ILL, aside from the potential increase in ticket/resort sales or maybe new comers to check out these new attractions, there was no direct ROI attached to an attraction. While the cost would take many years to recoup as mentioned, at the math you’ve provided that’s $44 million extra revenue, with very little cost associated
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Way off. They allocate AT LEAST 50% of capacity to LL+. Oftentimes more. Even if 1/2 GotG is only 900/hour and open 11 hours a day, that’s $54 million per year. Between LL+ and Genie Plus, they’re taking in at least an extra $300-400 million per year at WDW alone.
Ok, so 10k people per day on GotG. 6000 LL per day. $33 million a year. If it averages that every day over the course of a year for 14 years, the ride will be paid off! Good job, Bob & Josh! 👍

You know, it's ridiculous that ROI for a theme park attraction is even a subject. Yeah, it's a business, but for decades, quality attractions brought in the people and they didn't have to worry about, "*Gasp!* What if the ROI is xx years instead of yy years??" This is the exact crap I was afraid of when Bob 1.0 was installed as CEO. Yes, Eisner needed to go, but what a lot of us didn't want was someone worse. Guess what? It's been worse ever since.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Ok, so 10k people per day on GotG. 6000 LL per day. $33 million a year. If it averages that every day over the course of a year for 14 years, the ride will be paid off! Good job, Bob & Josh! 👍

You know, it's ridiculous that ROI for a theme park attraction is even a subject. Yeah, it's a business, but for decades, quality attractions brought in the people and they didn't have to worry about, "*Gasp!* What if the ROI is xx years instead of yy years??" This is the exact crap I was afraid of when Bob 1.0 was installed as CEO. Yes, Eisner needed to go, but what a lot of us didn't want was someone worse. Guess what? It's been worse ever since.
Are you seriously that naive or just delusional? Leaving aside message board warriors or tourists who are talking about ROI of rides now, so you honestly think that for the entire history of WDW that the CFO and executive committees were not discussing ROI during budget meetings? Do you think new construction expenses and projects weren’t judged based on cost vs revenue? Disney isn’t a charity. It’s a publicly traded company any major new project if going to be judged on roi. The entire Program of Project Future from its inception had ROI analysis built into it. It was in fact one of Roy’s major roles in the program. You think a Fortune 500 business just decided to not be a business for awhile?
 

EricsBiscuit

Well-Known Member
Ok, so 10k people per day on GotG. 6000 LL per day. $33 million a year. If it averages that every day over the course of a year for 14 years, the ride will be paid off! Good job, Bob & Josh! 👍

You know, it's ridiculous that ROI for a theme park attraction is even a subject. Yeah, it's a business, but for decades, quality attractions brought in the people and they didn't have to worry about, "*Gasp!* What if the ROI is xx years instead of yy years??" This is the exact crap I was afraid of when Bob 1.0 was installed as CEO. Yes, Eisner needed to go, but what a lot of us didn't want was someone worse. Guess what? It's been worse ever since.
I said HALF of GotG was 900/ hour. It averages AT LEAST 1800 per hour. This will get better as the team operating it gains experience. The ride can handle well over 2000+ an hour if operating efficiently. It is a money making machine. That’s not even factoring in the increased attendance.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I said HALF of GotG was 900/ hour. It averages AT LEAST 1800 per hour. This will get better as the team operating it gains experience. The ride can handle well over 2000+ an hour if operating efficiently. It is a money making machine. That’s not even factoring in the increased attendance.

Oh, so only 7 years to make the money back instead of 14. Top notch.
 

EPCOT-O.G.

Well-Known Member
Given how much their touting their obscene revenue and increased customer spending right now during the earnings call, there's no excuse for them not to make some massive announcements at D23 for new attractions and offerings that are proportional to that increased revenue, right? Right?
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
Given how much their touting their obscene revenue and increased customer spending right now during the earnings call, there's no excuse for them not to make some massive announcements at D23 for new attractions and offerings that are proportional to that increased revenue, right? Right?
You're talking crazy. Get a hold of yourself, for goodness' sake!
Wake Up Shake GIF
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Given how much their touting their obscene revenue and increased customer spending right now during the earnings call, there's no excuse for them not to make some massive announcements at D23 for new attractions and offerings that are proportional to that increased revenue, right? Right?
The thing is that what you are saying is correct. They’ve been about to hugely monetize the parks and the new attractions have been a part of driving that revenue. If anything, it should encourage to invest more in the parks to continue to strengthen that revenue stream.
 

Marc Davis Fan

Well-Known Member
The thing is that what you are saying is correct. They’ve been about to hugely monetize the parks and the new attractions have been a part of driving that revenue. If anything, it should encourage to invest more in the parks to continue to strengthen that revenue stream.

Yeah, an interesting upshot of LL+ is that it gives Disney an additional incentive to open high-quality attractions. Not only do such attractions impact attendance and willingness to spend on tickets/hotels (as they did before), but now they also create revenue from their LL+ sales. So, the more top-tier attractions, the more LL+ revenue.

It remans to be seen, however, if their standards for "top tier" attractions remain what they should be (e.g., FoP, RotR, and other fully-transportive adventures).
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Yeah, an interesting upshot of LL+ is that it gives Disney an additional incentive to open high-quality attractions, since those would mean not only attendance (as they did before) but also the revenue from their LL+ sales. So, the more top-tier attractions, the more LL+ revenue.

It remans to be seen, however, if their standards for "top tier" attractions remain what they should be (e.g., FoP, RotR).
And if it pushes other attractions to the Genie+ inventory then it also incentivizes selling that and its revenue.

I do hope that with the parks on seemingly solid footing and EU on the way as competition that they’ll look at the big picture and realize they need to continue to invest in the parks.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
Original Poster
On the D23 Inside Disney podcast, it was announced today the opening and Disney Legends Ceremony will be live-streamed.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Imagineers have publicly confirmed that there is a plan to put the Hatbox Ghost in the WDW Mansion. The justification for it was that there were 2 figures built back in 1969. One for DL and one for WDW. Both were lost. So they feel that, while Hatbox is a DL legend, he deserves a spot in WDW's version. This was talked about at an Imagineering panel back in 2015/6. The desire is very much there. We'll see if it happens.
Am I the only person here who just doesn’t get the whole Hatbox Ghost obsession?
 

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