D23 Disneyland/DCA Predictions!

Disneylover152

Well-Known Member
I do,
Marvel land is a big budget land and if you have seen what they are planning for DCA, it is big.
Grizzly Peak has stayed as almost the same thing since opening and does not exactly have a story. Including since it is the worst rapids ride they have made. They should make a proper story and maybe combine the stuff from Shanghai’s one (not the guardian, a few grizzly bear animatronics that are impressive). The ride is being outdone. GotG is a great ride, better then the DCA ToT but nothing beats the DHS/TDS ToT. It is los of fun but as DCA is changing, it needs to change to be more impressive as it averagely gets less then 45 minutes wait and is dropping more as Marvel land will eat up more crowds (including when the phase 2 part of ML will open which is rumored to be a Avengers coaster)


Not everything in Disney has to have a story. Does Space Mountain have a detailed story? No, you are just on a rocket ship through outer space. The theme is the location not the story. Same with Big Thunder Mountain. No detailed story, yet it is arguably the best themed ride Disney has ever done.

And if you've EVER been to Animal Kingdom, you would know Grizzly River Run is not the worst rapids ride ever made. Kali River Rapids is absolutely awful. It definitely needs updates (the new safety spiel is a perfect example), but not a complete retheme. Grizzly River Run is the best water ride I have ever been in a Disney, Six Flags or Sea World park (Islands of Adventure is and always be #1). Not everything in Disney needs to be a high thrill new technology breaking E-ticket. Small D-ticket rides that are fun like Grizzly is part of what makes a Disney Park special. Not everything needs to be extremely impressive, if that was the case Pixar Pier would not be a thing.

Also Grizzly River Run is a much better ride than GotG and actually fits the theme of the park its in, something GotG:MB does not. Mission Breakout doesn't even fit the theme of Marvel Land when completed...
 

Tank Man

Active Member
Grizzly Peak should be bulldozed and replaced with a version of Mystic Point
Could work
I try and see out every idea that is given and how it could work. I think that could work as Mystic Point is cool and it could work with the DCA theme if they change it but not much is needed. It will be cool as Mystic Point is a great ride
 

Tank Man

Active Member
Not everything in Disney has to have a story. Does Space Mountain have a detailed story? No, you are just on a rocket ship through outer space. The theme is the location not the story. Same with Big Thunder Mountain. No detailed story, yet it is arguably the best themed ride Disney has ever done.

And if you've EVER been to Animal Kingdom, you would know Grizzly River Run is not the worst rapids ride ever made. Kali River Rapids is absolutely awful. It definitely needs updates (the new safety spiel is a perfect example), but not a complete retheme. Grizzly River Run is the best water ride I have ever been in a Disney, Six Flags or Sea World park (Islands of Adventure is and always be #1). Not everything in Disney needs to be a high thrill new technology breaking E-ticket. Small D-ticket rides that are fun like Grizzly is part of what makes a Disney Park special. Not everything needs to be extremely impressive, if that was the case Pixar Pier would not be a thing.

Also Grizzly River Run is a much better ride than GotG and actually fits the theme of the park its in, something GotG:MB does not. Mission Breakout doesn't even fit the theme of Marvel Land when completed...
Kali River Rapids atleast has some story. Each of those rides has some sort of Kore but Grizzly Peak literally is a generic River Rapids, KRR is not amazing or great but GP needs something new as that river rapids is visited less and less because it is not worth the wait anymore (Like Dinosaur to SOME people). They should at least add a few things to make it have better theming including it is called Grizzly River run, and there are no bears or anything.
You’re smoking too much. MB is bad. Grizzly Peak is good. You demand Disney quality but defend MB and attack Grizzly Peak. Get outta here.
How is MB bad, it is good. GRR is old and need of something to advance is as the rest of the park is getting bigger, it is not and I believe we might get an announcement regarding its future as it is on the chopping block soon.
Also how rude
 

TROR

Well-Known Member
Kali River Rapids atleast has some story. Each of those rides has some sort of Kore but Grizzly Peak literally is a generic River Rapids, KRR is not amazing or great but GP needs something new as that river rapids is visited less and less because it is not worth the wait anymore (Like Dinosaur to SOME people). They should at least add a few things to make it have better theming including it is called Grizzly River run, and there are no bears or anything.
"Theme parks are not a storytelling medium." -Marc Davis
The kind of story you want is not right for a theme park. Grizzly River Run already has a story: riders experience white water rapids. Could it use some animatronics? Absolutely! But the story is just as strong as Space Mountain's.

How is MB bad, it is good. GRR is old and need of something to advance is as the rest of the park is getting bigger, it is not and I believe we might get an announcement regarding its future as it is on the chopping block soon.
Also how rude
MB's a convoluted mess where the rider can never tell what's taking place. The screens are ugly and lazy. The exterior is ugly and ruins the entire resort's skyline. It's a massive downgrade from the brilliant storytelling of Tower of Terror. It's an insult.

As for the rest, the park is regressing and Grizzly Peak, its best ride, should not follow suit. And GRR is not old. It opened in 2001. And so what if it is old? Haunted Mansion's old. Pirates of the Caribbean's old. Splash Mountain's old. These are all better attractions than anything Disney's done in the last decade. Old does not mean outdated. Mission Breakout's outdated and it's only been around since 2017.
 

Disneylover152

Well-Known Member
Kali River Rapids atleast has some story. Each of those rides has some sort of Kore but Grizzly Peak literally is a generic River Rapids, KRR is not amazing or great but GP needs something new as that river rapids is visited less and less because it is not worth the wait anymore (Like Dinosaur to SOME people). They should at least add a few things to make it have better theming including it is called Grizzly River run, and there are no bears or anything.

You completely misregarded my point that most Disney Rides do not have a story. It's a Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc. Most of the rides you'd consider classics or the best have no storyline. It doesn't need to have a storyline, a ride through a location is just as good, even better, as Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster, Radiator Springs Racers, Indiana Jones, etc.
 

Tank Man

Active Member
"Theme parks are not a storytelling medium." -Marc Davis
The kind of story you want is not right for a theme park. Grizzly River Run already has a story: riders experience white water rapids. Could it use some animatronics? Absolutely! But the story is just as strong as Space Mountain's.


MB's a convoluted mess where the rider can never tell what's taking place. The screens are ugly and lazy. The exterior is ugly and ruins the entire resort's skyline. It's a massive downgrade from the brilliant storytelling of Tower of Terror. It's an insult.

As for the rest, the park is regressing and Grizzly Peak, its best ride, should not follow suit. And GRR is not old. It opened in 2001. And so what if it is old? Haunted Mansion's old. Pirates of the Caribbean's old. Splash Mountain's old. These are all better attractions than anything Disney's done in the last decade. Old does not mean outdated. Mission Breakout's outdated and it's only been around since 2017.
I can tell you really don’t like change.
GotG MB is funner then ToT, it is
You completely misregarded my point that most Disney Rides do not have a story. It's a Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc. Most of the rides you'd consider classics or the best have no storyline. It doesn't need to have a storyline, a ride through a location is just as good, even better, as Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster, Radiator Springs Racers, Indiana Jones, etc.
You are missing the biggest point,
I bet most people who go to DCA who ride it may like it, but at the end of the day they don’t look back at it and even most of my family forgot it even existed until (me, the Disney-versal park hub creator) mentioned it.
Yeah the story may not be as I great as I sort of was wrong there (I admit it) but the main thing is that GRR is not a highlight of most people’s day and may forget about it and even though us people on the WDW Magic forums know and like it, most people won’t and it basically is free real Estate for Disney if it ain’t really remembered by most people like Tower of Terror it Radiator Springs Racers. Including they can easily make it a better ride through the amount of space it takes up as there is a lot of distance between things.
They removed Bug’s land because people don’t think of it as a highlight as it was a bad idea as the movie is fine. It was real Estate, free for them. They could have put a Marvel ride in GRR but they didn’t showing some worth to it.
But the thing is that DCA might be getting overhauled even more for another decade to fix the rest as the northern parts are (sort of) fixed. GotG MB is really likable and actually had a small budget and may not be perfect but is lots and lots of fun, it may not beat the theming if ToT but it does well.
Cars land is amazing even though some of the land is just merch stores and should be used as the rides there are ok besides RSR. It brought lots of people to the park and people love the ride.
Pixar Pier is the worst of these inclusions, it may fit in with the Californian theme more but it still is not finished and is fun, I don’t know if it is better then Paradise Pier yet. It fits well and is fun to look at. The Incredicoaster is s good ride with critical praise but I don’t think the same.
I never said GRR was not fun or should be, I have always just been saying that I bet Disney really wants to gut it now as they are getting desperate with Universal trying to become a bigger threat and DCA needing more rides. The whole Grizzly Peak area has been mostly unchanged since 2001 and only has the redwood play area (I think that is in it and I say it is). But Hollywood land has changed with new additions and removals (Super Star Limo, we won’t remember you).
Let me explain:
I was sad when ToT was going, I was sad when the Great Movie ride was going. But I don’t lurk on why it should not go and why, I think of the possibilities they have for it as it could be better or be more fun or enjoyable. Change is a good thing for some cases and I bet they are working on what could replace GRR as it has never remembered by certain people. I see what they can do with it as they can always make something better as changing GRR and maybe adding something new or just returning it could make me satisfied as they need to do something with it. Soon everyone will be going to Marvel land as the Spider Man ride is going to be awesome and the Avengers Coaster that is planned for phase 2.
GRR might become irrelevant and they just would have to do something with it. But things like SM or BTMR are inevitable as they always make people happy as they are amazing, GRR does not speak the same way to people, average people.
 

Tank Man

Active Member
You’re smoking too much. MB is bad. Grizzly Peak is good. You demand Disney quality but defend MB and attack Grizzly Peak. Get outta here.
I am also starting to think you just respond to my content negatively as you don’t like change and you don’t see the possibilities, I never said I didn’t like GRR as it is lots of fun, just not enough for me to directly remember it.
GotG MB is not perfect, but it was a good replacement.
 

TROR

Well-Known Member
I am also starting to think you just respond to my content negatively as you don’t like change and you don’t see the possibilities, I never said I didn’t like GRR as it is lots of fun, just not enough for me to directly remember it.
GotG MB is not perfect, but it was a good replacement.
Neither of these things are true. I’d fully support changing Mission Breakout to Tower of Terror.
 

Tank Man

Active Member
It’s “funner”?
More enjoyable. We all can go and ride a ToT in another park. MB has a lot of moments that make it stand out, break the 4th wall and be more Marvel as we don’t have much of that.
ToT was amazing but MB was fun as it is enjoyable and lots of fun. The way it works made me smile the whole time.
 

TROR

Well-Known Member
More enjoyable. We all can go and ride a ToT in another park. MB has a lot of moments that make it stand out, break the 4th wall and be more Marvel as we don’t have much of that.
ToT was amazing but MB was fun as it is enjoyable and lots of fun. The way it works made me smile the whole time.
Stop replying to me. You have nothing to say. Go back to the Armchair Imagineering forum where you can be easier ignored.
 

Tank Man

Active Member
Stop replying to me. You have nothing to say. Go back to the Armchair Imagineering forum where you can be easier ignored.
Then you stop replying to me with negative feedback and acting like the only good thing that can happen is the past, Paradise Pier is the past, we enjoyed it and change has come and we must move on
 

Old Mouseketeer

Well-Known Member
According to a CM on another website it is. But that CM rambled on about how she got all this information from her drunk managers at a West Hollywood gay bar as they hit on cute guys (I am not making that up, I swear!), so you can take it with a big grain of salt.

I have a hunch that if that CM is correct, that Magic Happens is just a working title and they'll come up with something more appropriate before it is announced at D23 Expo for a 2020 premiere.

Actually, I have it confirmed from inside the entertainment division that the West Hollywood story is true and there has been discipline in some form for sharing on social media. And I believe Magic Happens is the actual name. One CM I know said they think it will be the new "have a magical day" as in "Oh well, Magic Happens!". LOL

I can't believe they're naming it that.
 

Old Mouseketeer

Well-Known Member
I do,
Marvel land is a big budget land and if you have seen what they are planning for DCA, it is big.
Grizzly Peak has stayed as almost the same thing since opening and does not exactly have a story. Including since it is the worst rapids ride they have made. They should make a proper story and maybe combine the stuff from Shanghai’s one (not the guardian, a few grizzly bear animatronics that are impressive). The ride is being outdone. GotG is a great ride, better then the DCA ToT but nothing beats the DHS/TDS ToT. It is los of fun but as DCA is changing, it needs to change to be more impressive as it averagely gets less then 45 minutes wait and is dropping more as Marvel land will eat up more crowds (including when the phase 2 part of ML will open which is rumored to be a Avengers coaster)

Oh hell, no! Grizzly Peak is ten times better than that junkyard that is Kali in Animal Kingdom! Just. No.
 

Old Mouseketeer

Well-Known Member
No. Because:
1) Mr. Toad is a popular and much-beloved ride.
2) It makes great use of a tiny space
3) It's built underneath the Alice dark ride. It wouldn't be worth messing with, since BOTH rides are very popular.
4) Toad Hall is one of the best-looking and most-photographed sights in Fantasyland.

Dude? What have you been smoking? Toad isn't under Alice. Alice is over itself. There's no room for any of Toad under Alice. The 1983 Toad ride is roughly the same size as the original was and Alice was built after the original Toad. So far as I know every version of Alice uses the original track layout except for the final scene, which was added in '83 (my friend David Mumford worked on it).
 

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