A privilege for whom? I never said Disney was a right. I'm specifically addressing the notion that raising prices will make everything better. What is the specific goal of pricing out certain income segments of the population?
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Tony the Tigger
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Misguided, ignorant snobbery with a dash of racism to boot.
bclane
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I definitely agree with you that Idiots come from all walks of life. Unfortunately there is no way to prevent something like this from happening. Hopefully Disney does a better job handling these kind of situations as they arise in the future.
some other guy
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At least they'll be sure to take it off the streets of Toontown and over to the secluded privacy of the Main Street Pizzeria
TROR
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I think the bigger problem here is assuming everyone who goes to college is educated. You can go to college and learn absolutely nothing of value. Most colleges are scams that just take money and offer nothing but a piece of paper that won't get anyone a job or help them in the real world. Very few actually care about education, especially education on morality.
Sirwalterraleigh
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The Disney pricing scheme for 10 years is completely unrelated to “safety and security” or “riffraff”
It’s just Iger aggressively increasing the prices at parks to make up for profit losses in other segments and build enough wealth to go out “on top” as a billionaire.
It is a war on the middle class...pricing them out. They are “casualties” of that war.
But many apologize for an obvious policy...with terms like “luxury”...which is code for class war. Or that they are “reducing the crowds” through pricing...which is the silliest thing ever. Just want more money from more people. The praetorian guard of defenders don’t want to admit that everyone is being gouged. But we are...we’re all in this together.
And if anyone says that this fight proves that they need to raise prices....then that is as bigoted as it comes...because of the incident and the language and the stereotypes based on a mixture of those things.
The people are disgusting...they were ejected, and should be charged for disorderly and simple assault. I hope that happens.
Disney did a terrible job of reacting. Slow, slow, slow! And the onlookers didn’t act particularly honorable either.
And the “privilege” of a Disney park is paying for a ticket and walking in. Like it or not, this pack of wolves had that privilege. To suggest they didn’t “earn” it is borderline bigoted.
But they also earned losing it.
Time to move on and talk about D23 or Star Wars ambiguity land or something, no?
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Cesar R M
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It probably has more to do with policy than actual "fear".
And I do not think that your average store manager will gett bonuses for stopping a fight. He will most likely get fired for doing something he wasn't supposed to. Like stopping a fight.
Specially with how easy lawsuits fly in the USA.
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Tony the Tigger
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Politics board or drop it.
Cesar R M
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Cesar R M
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Which is ironic as money has nothing to do with morals and honesty either.
There are plenty of horrible persons who happen to have money.
Tanna Eros
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The more I think about it, the more I think that Pinky just hit the wall of tolerating a hot day in a crowded expensive park
I've been there, I think a lot of us have, but I feel that his means of outlet were out of control, and over the top. He didn't handle hitting the wall very well at all.
Me, When I hit the wall, I excuse myself to be alone and have a smoke and a huge bottle of water and a coffee. Pinky decided on another route.
This idea occurred to me because I used to work the night shift at a motel, where kids under a certain age stayed for free, just tell me if you need extra cots. A family came in, I informed the dad of this policy, all of his kids were free, good deal, right?
I asked him how many extra cots he'd like, and-
He started crying.
He left the lobby, went and sat in his car, and just cried. He'd been driving all day and into the night and hit the wall at the same point I asked him a seemingly difficult question for his frame of mind.
It would have been better for Pinky if he just cried. Everyone is uncomfortable when people cry, and there would have been no video, for the videographer would have been too bothered by the sight to film.
EricsBiscuit
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I work in the hospitality industry and have witnessed quite a few fights. Disney definitely had legal liabilities here and needed to be careful with how they handled the situation. Not to mention the optics. From the perspective of someone in the industry, this is a nightmare scenario for many reasons. One of the biggest being the accusation of racism.
Darkbeer1
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'When I saw the man hit a female, that was just wrong': Coach who broke up Disneyland brawl speaks out
Jason Blair, a former bouncer who is 6'5 and 275 pounds, entered the fray during the fight at Disneyland's Toontown.
www.usatoday.com
>>A Texas high school coach never expected the 'happiest place on Earth' to turn into a site for a brawl while on vacation.
He also didn't expect to become an unlikely hero, helping to separate the men in the Saturday scuffle. The fight at Disneyland, caught on video by park goers, has gone viral.
Jason Blair, a football coach at Hanks High School in El Paso, said he first thought his fellow Disneyland attendees were filming characters from the park. He didn't realize it was a fight until he saw two men yelling at two women.
"When I saw the man hit a female, that was just wrong period," Blair said Tuesday. "It was an unfortunate incident for the kids and the place. It's nothing but toddlers and young parents in Toontown."<<
Much more at the link
Darkbeer1
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Disneyland followed safety protocols in Toontown family brawl caught on viral video, security experts say
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
www.ocregister.com
>>Security experts say Disneyland followed established safety protocols during a vicious family brawl that broke out in the Toontown area of the Anaheim theme park over the Fourth of July weekend.
The response by Disneyland security to the Toontown fight was “really fast,” said Michael Downing of Oak View Group, a Los Angeles-based firm that provides security for large sports and entertainment venues.
“It seemed like they followed all their emergency procedures and standard operating procedures,” said Downing, a retired deputy chief who worked for the Los Angeles Police Department for 35 years. “They did exactly as they were supposed to do.”
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
Retired police officer and security expert Ron Martinelli was surprised that the fight lasted for three to four minutes.
“I was pretty surprised that situation went for as long as it did without a response from security,” said Martinelli, a police and security practices expert with Texas-based Martinelli & Associates. However, he also said Disneyland has a reputation for maintaining a safe environment in the park.
“Disneyland does a pretty darn good job,” he said. “They are probably one of the premier proactive security and premises liability facilities in the United States.
“Picture Disneyland like a town and picture Disneyland security as a police department,” he added. “Just like any other police department, where you have the most crime or where you have the most incidents, you put the most police. And that’s where you have the most mitigation strategies — (closed-circuit TV), uniform people. Because they act as a deterrent.”
The video shows the fight start and stop several times while Disneyland visitors look on in shock. About a minute into the video a female bystander shouts: “Call security!” A moment later a Disneyland janitor steps in to try to break up the fight without success. Other Disneyland employees can be seen making calls on their smartphones.
Downing said Disneyland’s non-security employees have two key jobs during a fight involving visitors: Serve as good witnesses and make sure other guests are protected.
About 90 seconds into the video a female bystander asks out loud: “Where’s security at Disney?”
Disneyland visitors repeatedly stepped in to try to stop the fight to no avail. As a retired police officer, Martinelli would not have gotten involved in the Toontown fight without knowing anything about those involved.
“It only takes a millisecond to get seriously injured or even killed,” said Martinelli, a former San Jose Police Department officer with 25 years of experience.
Disneyland officials said a security officer responded to the Toontown fight within a minute or so of receiving the report and immediately called for backup. The first Disneyland security officer on the scene secured the perimeter, maintained the safety of theme park visitors and called Anaheim Police for assistance, theme park officials said.
Two and half minutes into the fight the first Disneyland security officer can be seen on the video.
“My expectation would be for the first person to arrive to do exactly what she did,” Downing said. “She set up a perimeter to protect the other guests, assessed the situation and made a call for backup.”
The first security officer on the scene can be seen talking on a radio and stepping back from the fight as half a dozen bystanders intervene in the brawl.
“She assessed what was going on and she made a decision not to engage,” Downing said. “She probably would’ve gotten beat up if she had engaged.”
Once backup arrived, Disneyland security intervened to de-escalate the situation, theme park officials said.
At just over 3 minutes into the video a group of uniformed and plain clothes Disneyland security officers can be seen arriving at the scene of the fight. The Disneyland security officers spoke to those involved in the family brawl and monitored them closely.
“Once backup arrived, they intervened,” Downing said. “They used verbal commands. They had to physically restrain a couple of the people. Then a couple of minutes after that Anaheim PD arrived.”
Disneyland officials said the theme park takes a comprehensive approach to security and has been working closely with Anaheim Police since the fight.
“Any type of violence is inexcusable and will not be tolerated,” Disneyland officials said in a prepared statement. “Disneyland Resort security responded appropriately within minutes and immediately called Anaheim Police Department for assistance. Those involved were removed from the premises and turned over to Anaheim P.D.”
Disneyland can proactively discourage people from fighting but the theme park can’t prevent family disputes, Martinelli said.
“Just like every other place, you can’t mitigate bad behavior. You’re going to have people with bad behavior and they show up everywhere, even at Disneyland,” Martinelli said. “There is no mitigation strategy, there is no security device, there is no policy, there is no procedure that can stop something once it happens.”<<
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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if that was following emergency procedures, then i don't wana be there when a ACTUAL EMERGENCY goes down. and they did not intervine! the freaking family left on there own and the security followed!! they were not escorted out of toon town. it took someone to place the main guy in a choke hold to stop it while security did nothing. secure the premieter my butt!! they were not protecting other guests because even when they had their "preimeter" the dude was still walking around anywhere he wanted.Disneyland followed safety protocols in Toontown family brawl caught on viral video, security experts say
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
>>Security experts say Disneyland followed established safety protocols during a vicious family brawl that broke out in the Toontown area of the Anaheim theme park over the Fourth of July weekend.
The response by Disneyland security to the Toontown fight was “really fast,” said Michael Downing of Oak View Group, a Los Angeles-based firm that provides security for large sports and entertainment venues.
“It seemed like they followed all their emergency procedures and standard operating procedures,” said Downing, a retired deputy chief who worked for the Los Angeles Police Department for 35 years. “They did exactly as they were supposed to do.”
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
Retired police officer and security expert Ron Martinelli was surprised that the fight lasted for three to four minutes.
“I was pretty surprised that situation went for as long as it did without a response from security,” said Martinelli, a police and security practices expert with Texas-based Martinelli & Associates. However, he also said Disneyland has a reputation for maintaining a safe environment in the park.
“Disneyland does a pretty darn good job,” he said. “They are probably one of the premier proactive security and premises liability facilities in the United States.
“Picture Disneyland like a town and picture Disneyland security as a police department,” he added. “Just like any other police department, where you have the most crime or where you have the most incidents, you put the most police. And that’s where you have the most mitigation strategies — (closed-circuit TV), uniform people. Because they act as a deterrent.”
The video shows the fight start and stop several times while Disneyland visitors look on in shock. About a minute into the video a female bystander shouts: “Call security!” A moment later a Disneyland janitor steps in to try to break up the fight without success. Other Disneyland employees can be seen making calls on their smartphones.
Downing said Disneyland’s non-security employees have two key jobs during a fight involving visitors: Serve as good witnesses and make sure other guests are protected.
About 90 seconds into the video a female bystander asks out loud: “Where’s security at Disney?”
Disneyland visitors repeatedly stepped in to try to stop the fight to no avail. As a retired police officer, Martinelli would not have gotten involved in the Toontown fight without knowing anything about those involved.
“It only takes a millisecond to get seriously injured or even killed,” said Martinelli, a former San Jose Police Department officer with 25 years of experience.
Disneyland officials said a security officer responded to the Toontown fight within a minute or so of receiving the report and immediately called for backup. The first Disneyland security officer on the scene secured the perimeter, maintained the safety of theme park visitors and called Anaheim Police for assistance, theme park officials said.
Two and half minutes into the fight the first Disneyland security officer can be seen on the video.
“My expectation would be for the first person to arrive to do exactly what she did,” Downing said. “She set up a perimeter to protect the other guests, assessed the situation and made a call for backup.”
The first security officer on the scene can be seen talking on a radio and stepping back from the fight as half a dozen bystanders intervene in the brawl.
“She assessed what was going on and she made a decision not to engage,” Downing said. “She probably would’ve gotten beat up if she had engaged.”
Once backup arrived, Disneyland security intervened to de-escalate the situation, theme park officials said.
At just over 3 minutes into the video a group of uniformed and plain clothes Disneyland security officers can be seen arriving at the scene of the fight. The Disneyland security officers spoke to those involved in the family brawl and monitored them closely.
“Once backup arrived, they intervened,” Downing said. “They used verbal commands. They had to physically restrain a couple of the people. Then a couple of minutes after that Anaheim PD arrived.”
Disneyland officials said the theme park takes a comprehensive approach to security and has been working closely with Anaheim Police since the fight.
“Any type of violence is inexcusable and will not be tolerated,” Disneyland officials said in a prepared statement. “Disneyland Resort security responded appropriately within minutes and immediately called Anaheim Police Department for assistance. Those involved were removed from the premises and turned over to Anaheim P.D.”
Disneyland can proactively discourage people from fighting but the theme park can’t prevent family disputes, Martinelli said.
“Just like every other place, you can’t mitigate bad behavior. You’re going to have people with bad behavior and they show up everywhere, even at Disneyland,” Martinelli said. “There is no mitigation strategy, there is no security device, there is no policy, there is no procedure that can stop something once it happens.”<<
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
'When I saw the man hit a female, that was just wrong': Coach who broke up Disneyland brawl speaks out
Jason Blair, a former bouncer who is 6'5 and 275 pounds, entered the fray during the fight at Disneyland's Toontown.www.usatoday.com
>>A Texas high school coach never expected the 'happiest place on Earth' to turn into a site for a brawl while on vacation.
He also didn't expect to become an unlikely hero, helping to separate the men in the Saturday scuffle. The fight at Disneyland, caught on video by park goers, has gone viral.
Jason Blair, a football coach at Hanks High School in El Paso, said he first thought his fellow Disneyland attendees were filming characters from the park. He didn't realize it was a fight until he saw two men yelling at two women.
"When I saw the man hit a female, that was just wrong period," Blair said Tuesday. "It was an unfortunate incident for the kids and the place. It's nothing but toddlers and young parents in Toontown."<<
Much more at the link
He’s not really a hero though...that fight went on with multiple blows to faces for 4 minutes. A lot of watching by the crowd. In my opinion: too much.
Disneyland followed safety protocols in Toontown family brawl caught on viral video, security experts say
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
>>Security experts say Disneyland followed established safety protocols during a vicious family brawl that broke out in the Toontown area of the Anaheim theme park over the Fourth of July weekend.
The response by Disneyland security to the Toontown fight was “really fast,” said Michael Downing of Oak View Group, a Los Angeles-based firm that provides security for large sports and entertainment venues.
“It seemed like they followed all their emergency procedures and standard operating procedures,” said Downing, a retired deputy chief who worked for the Los Angeles Police Department for 35 years. “They did exactly as they were supposed to do.”
A four-minute viral video of the Toontown brawl posted on YouTube has been viewed more than 2 million times.
Retired police officer and security expert Ron Martinelli was surprised that the fight lasted for three to four minutes.
“I was pretty surprised that situation went for as long as it did without a response from security,” said Martinelli, a police and security practices expert with Texas-based Martinelli & Associates. However, he also said Disneyland has a reputation for maintaining a safe environment in the park.
“Disneyland does a pretty darn good job,” he said. “They are probably one of the premier proactive security and premises liability facilities in the United States.
“Picture Disneyland like a town and picture Disneyland security as a police department,” he added. “Just like any other police department, where you have the most crime or where you have the most incidents, you put the most police. And that’s where you have the most mitigation strategies — (closed-circuit TV), uniform people. Because they act as a deterrent.”
The video shows the fight start and stop several times while Disneyland visitors look on in shock. About a minute into the video a female bystander shouts: “Call security!” A moment later a Disneyland janitor steps in to try to break up the fight without success. Other Disneyland employees can be seen making calls on their smartphones.
Downing said Disneyland’s non-security employees have two key jobs during a fight involving visitors: Serve as good witnesses and make sure other guests are protected.
About 90 seconds into the video a female bystander asks out loud: “Where’s security at Disney?”
Disneyland visitors repeatedly stepped in to try to stop the fight to no avail. As a retired police officer, Martinelli would not have gotten involved in the Toontown fight without knowing anything about those involved.
“It only takes a millisecond to get seriously injured or even killed,” said Martinelli, a former San Jose Police Department officer with 25 years of experience.
Disneyland officials said a security officer responded to the Toontown fight within a minute or so of receiving the report and immediately called for backup. The first Disneyland security officer on the scene secured the perimeter, maintained the safety of theme park visitors and called Anaheim Police for assistance, theme park officials said.
Two and half minutes into the fight the first Disneyland security officer can be seen on the video.
“My expectation would be for the first person to arrive to do exactly what she did,” Downing said. “She set up a perimeter to protect the other guests, assessed the situation and made a call for backup.”
The first security officer on the scene can be seen talking on a radio and stepping back from the fight as half a dozen bystanders intervene in the brawl.
“She assessed what was going on and she made a decision not to engage,” Downing said. “She probably would’ve gotten beat up if she had engaged.”
Once backup arrived, Disneyland security intervened to de-escalate the situation, theme park officials said.
At just over 3 minutes into the video a group of uniformed and plain clothes Disneyland security officers can be seen arriving at the scene of the fight. The Disneyland security officers spoke to those involved in the family brawl and monitored them closely.
“Once backup arrived, they intervened,” Downing said. “They used verbal commands. They had to physically restrain a couple of the people. Then a couple of minutes after that Anaheim PD arrived.”
Disneyland officials said the theme park takes a comprehensive approach to security and has been working closely with Anaheim Police since the fight.
“Any type of violence is inexcusable and will not be tolerated,” Disneyland officials said in a prepared statement. “Disneyland Resort security responded appropriately within minutes and immediately called Anaheim Police Department for assistance. Those involved were removed from the premises and turned over to Anaheim P.D.”
Disneyland can proactively discourage people from fighting but the theme park can’t prevent family disputes, Martinelli said.
“Just like every other place, you can’t mitigate bad behavior. You’re going to have people with bad behavior and they show up everywhere, even at Disneyland,” Martinelli said. “There is no mitigation strategy, there is no security device, there is no policy, there is no procedure that can stop something once it happens.”<<
They didn’t really respond all that well. Let’s be honest.
But anyone expecting police like tactics and training from Mickey cops is sadly mistaken. It’s mall security.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That sure seems like the spin machine at work, doesn’t it?
You can tell when “mouseprints” are on an article
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
Well-Known Member
Oh it is the definition of spin because that video made them look soooooo bad. this is revisionist history. the video clearly shows how not in control disney was of the situation.
Curious Constance
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Not sure if this is true or not, but I just read that the fight after exiting Toontown continues near Pixie Hollow and then in the parking structure.
I also read that the main guy in the video was an ex Raider.
I also read that the main guy in the video was an ex Raider.
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT
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interesting. would be curious if another video shows up.Not sure if this is true or not, but I just read that the fight after exiting Toontown continues near Pixie Hollow and then in the parking structure.
I also read that the main guy in the video was an ex Raider.
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