Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

[ToTBellHop]

The expectation is that the gap between doses delivered and doses in arms will narrow moving forward, not expand, as NYS (and a few smaller states) are expected to stop hoarding second doses a month in advance, and possibly more importantly, we finally work through the remaining senior case facilities that have had doses set aside for 2 months now.

Yes, and with next week being the 4th week in a row where deliveries will increase over the previous week, states should hopefully be willing to use this week’s doses since next week, they’ll get even more. I don’t blame the governors for lacking that trust early on, but it seems issues are being ironed out.

Here in CT, a week ago, we were told essential workers would be up in “about four weeks.” With the increase in vaccine allocations, we were told today that we will know more in about 10 days, so a week and a half was shaved off. Very exciting for us.

 

[ToTBellHop]

 

[correcaminos]

I'm not going to be bummed just yet. There were lots of maybes out there as it was. We'll get there. We're really talking a few weeks shift, not months on end as it is.

I know our county was holding back doses for 2nd. In part because one cannot mix brands. In part because they just don't know what they'll get. Almost 2 weeks were held back for some groups really here. Then snow delayed clinics. I think my dad's reschedule is still on for tomorrow but snow threatens again.

 

[goofy5380]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

 

[CastAStone]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

Sounds like you should get the J&J one

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm not going to be bummed just yet. There were lots of maybes out there as it was. We'll get there. We're really talking a few weeks shift, not months on end as it is.

I know our county was holding back doses for 2nd. In part because one cannot mix brands. In part because they just don't know what they'll get. Almost 2 weeks were held back for some groups really here. Then snow delayed clinics. I think my dad's reschedule is still on for tomorrow but snow threatens again.

I would imagine, on the whole, the awful weather this month will be more helpful than not (and I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation in Texas).

Most states can play catch-up by extending clinic hours in the weeks ahead. In the meantime, the snow and ice is forcing people to stay home. That’s forcing COVID-19 infections down worldwide (the weather is awful for much of the northern hemisphere). A weather-induced lockdown followed by a glut of vaccinations could prove effective. I remember, back in December, reading that vaccines would struggle to make a dent in infections when we had 250k infections per day in America. Now the average has fallen below 100k/day and it’s still trending downward.

 

[ToTBellHop]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

You have done zero research. You can’t manipulate genes without getting into the nucleus.

 

[MisterPenguin]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

You are uninformed.

No, mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Do Not 'Alter Your DNA'

A viral bit of copypasta falsely claiming to have been authored by Robert F. Kennedy Jr makes a series of erroneous claims about the science underlying two promising vaccines.

www.snopes.com

 

[Heppenheimer]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

High school-level biology knowledge should tell you that mRNA transcribes proteins, it has no effect on a cell's genetic code.

Googling something is not research, since the algorithm is designed to give you the answer it thinks you want, not vet the most relevant information.

If it seems like we're being harsh, its because we're sick and tired of ill-informed opinions, alternate "facts", conspiracy theories and flat out lies prolonging and making this pandemic much worse than it needed to be. We screwed up the initial response, and now that we finally have the tools to end this scourge, we need to use them to full effect. And not spread misinformation about the vaccines being "gene manipulators".

 

[The Mom]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

Please provide some evidence - but not from known anti-vaxxers but rather scientists who are experts in this field - to support your claim.

 

[ToTBellHop]

High school-level biology knowledge should tell you that mRNA transcribes proteins, it has no effect on a cell's genetic code.

Googling something is not research, since the algorithm is designed to give you the answer it thinks you want, not vet the most relevant information.

If it seems like we're being harsh, its because we're sick and tired of ill-informed opinions, alternate "facts", conspiracy theories and flat out lies prolinging and making this pandemic much worse than it needed to be. We screwed up the initial response, and now that we finally have the tools to end this scourge, we need to use them to full effect. And not spread misinformation about the vaccines being "gene manipulators".

Indeed. There are legitimate worries and then there is garbage. Want to talk about allergic reactions, ingredient lists, effectiveness against variants? Sure.

Nonsense that you should know isn’t the case if you’ve finished 10th grade? No, thank you. These literally-sophomoric claims are tiresome a year into this.

 

[correcaminos]

I would imagine, on the whole, the awful weather this month will be more helpful than not (and I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation in Texas).

Most states can play catch-up by extending clinic hours in the weeks ahead. In the meantime, the snow and ice is forcing people to stay home. That’s forcing COVID-19 infections down worldwide (the weather is awful for much of the northern hemisphere). A weather-induced lockdown followed by a glut of vaccinations could prove effective. I remember, back in December, reading that vaccines would struggle to make a dent in infections when we had 250k infections per day in America. Now the average has fallen below 100k/day and it’s still trending downward.

Not sure I agree with this. People still were out snow or not here and we are talking hours where people aren't out as much. We may call a snow day for kids but I was out in it myself. My own dad was. Safe for kids to go back today. We have more snow again tonight which makes me worried for my dad to get his. Our state held back on 65+ already 2 weeks due to supply, and now it's in jeopardy aagain. If they don't cancel and weather is bad then the risk of losing doses to waste is real. Bad weather is really not going to help at all really in the midwest. It may cancel a clinic but these people are still out.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Not sure I agree with this. People still were out snow or not here. We may call a snow day for kids but I was out in it myself. Safe for kids to go back today. We have more snow again tonight which makes me worried for my dad to get his. Our state held back on 65+ already 2 weeks due to supply, and now it's in jeopardy aagain. If they don't cancel and weather is bad then the risk of losing doses to waste is real. Bad weather is really not going to help at all.

Mobility nationwide has decreased since December. It’s likely a combination of the holidays ending and the fact that it’s the crappy part of winter. Mask usage has also slowly increases.

Mobility was higher than now from August through December.

 

[correcaminos]

these are NOT vaccines, folks. they are gene manipulations....be very careful whether you get one or not
do your research before you decide.....

me I'm waiting it out...........

Well I'm screwed as I was fully vaccinated in September

Sorry for sarcasm, but as stated you need informed information not "research" from quacks and anti-vaxxers on the internet.

Mobility nationwide has decreased since December. It’s likely a combination of the holidays ending and the fact that it’s the crappy part of winter. Mobility was higher August through December.

People traveled less. They don't go to the store and getting food or essentials less. 2 different things. Bad weather causing clinics to cancel is not good was my point. A snow storm stops us for a half a day or so. But causing delays in shots because of it doesn't help. My dad hopefully gets his tomorrow and still within the preferred 3 weeks +4. Though a small delay won't harm, I just feel better if he doesn't have to keep waiting

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well I'm screwed as I was fully vaccinated in September

Sorry for sarcasm, but as stated you need informed information not "research" from quacks and anti-vaxxers on the internet.


People traveled less. They don't go to the store and getting food or essentials less. 2 different things. Bad weather causing clinics to cancel is not good was my point. A snow storm stops us for a half a day or so. But causing delays in shots because of it doesn't help. My dad hopefully gets his tomorrow and still within the preferred 3 weeks +4. Though a small delay won't harm, I just feel better if he doesn't have to keep waiting

The mobility I am talking about has nothing to do with travel (air travel fell in January like it always does, but 4 million people flew last weekend and the parks have been busy). They use cell phone data to measure how much people are moving about locally. That has fallen. People are shopping less (not groceries, of course—more like mall shopping), going to movie theaters less (for those who were in December because it was something to do), seeing friends less, going to the local aquarium less, etc. Those things are certainly impacted by weather.

And I’ve yet to read anything suggesting weather delays push back vaccine administration significantly. States are still able to catch up within a week.

Cases have fallen by 60% and vaccine administration has increased dramatically (apparently by 57% in 4 weeks).

Hope your dad gets shot 2 soon. I understand why delays impacting shot 2 would be acutely concerning.

 

[correcaminos]

The mobility I am talking about has nothing to do with travel (air travel fell in January like it always does, but 4 million people flew last weekend and the parks have been busy). They use cell phone data to measure how much people are moving about locally. That has fallen. People are shopping less (not groceries, of course—more like mall shopping), going to movie theaters less (for those who were in December because it was something to do), seeing friends less, going to the local aquarium less, etc. Those things are certainly impacted by weather.

And I’ve yet to read anything suggesting weather delays push back vaccine administration significantly. States are still able to catch up within a week.

Cases have fallen by 60% and vaccine administration has increased dramatically (apparently by 57% in 4 weeks).

Hope your dad gets shot 2 soon. I understand why delays impacting shot 2 would be acutely concerning.

I am not sure those who were most at risk were doing the mall shopping anyway Where I live a lot of our shopping is within 2 blocks. So tracking may not be as useful either in some regions. I get what you are saying though. I just am viewing it from a different angle I think because only those who can get it are less likely to be out. So bad weather that doesn't go away can be a bad blip as much as delays in getting supplies. I feel for the 65+ group as well as high risk and essential workers who have been delayed because of both.

Watching my email and weather like a hawk. If bad weather comes and it is still on, I'll be in the car driving him myself. If this one is also canceled that's bad for both 1st and second dose people. I'm impressed they were able to move it around so quickly though. That's a lot of man power that goes into running these clinics.

I am happy with cases falling. That's for sure. I will just be happy when winter storms aren't delaying as well.

 

[lazyboy97o]

High school-level biology knowledge should tell you that mRNA transcribes proteins, it has no effect on a cell's genetic code.

This whole thing has shown how much we were failing in education well before remote learning.

 

[danlb_2000]

This whole thing has shown how much we were failing in education well before remote learning.

... but are people coming up with these things because they don't know the facts, or just don't want to listen to the facts?

 

[correcaminos]

... but are people coming up with these things because they don't know the facts, or just don't want to listen to the facts?

Yes and yes

People believe what they want to.

I'm not going to be all bold and brave and say that being in a trial wasn't a bit scary, but I even did it. The trial showed it is safe and effective. Anyone not listening to this has to have some sort of weird agenda - one that could cause negatives for more than just themselves. Or they are that scared they can't get over it? I'm not sure what else it could be.

 

[Seanual757]

Out here in Florida many counties are opening up the the vaccines to anyone who wants one after 3pm daily. Once the reservations are all filled and used many places have extra doses to give out so they open it up on the 1st come 1st serve basis. My coworker went yesterday healthy 30 year old got his dose and since he got his he was able to schedule his 2nd dose...... Sounds like by the end of the summer everyone should be able to have one.. I am just excited I was able to get mine on Monday and ready for my 2nd one in March.