Covid Vaccine Updates and General Discussion About Vaccines

Will you take a Covid vaccine once one is approved and deemed safe and effective by the FDA?

  • Yes, stick me please

  • No, I will wait

  • No, I will never take one


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nickys

Premium Member
Missed that one. I spent the morning trying to get an appointment for my MIL to be vaccinated. Worse than any Moonlight magic day or getting Hamilton Tickets to be honest. My brain is mush lol. I thought I had read differently previously. Then yes this is bad.

I was talking with friends in the UK (closer to London) about how bad it was. Hopefully restrictions will help. It was horrible here in my county mid-Nov and even with our Thanksgiving, Winter holidays, and so far NYE our numbers have been dropping. Hope the same for you all. They had to divert non-covid patients to cancer hospitals even for a while. We're still teetering on the good/bad balance.
The new variant is 70% more transmissible and that’s the issue. It raises the R # by anything from 0.4 to 0.7. So from being OK and around 0.6 or 0.7 for quite a while, suddenly cases are rising inexorably.

I think the fact that Boris followed Sturgeon and so everyone is now in lockdown makes it more likely people will obey in the main. Plus it’s winter which should help keep people inside more than congregating in the parks. Now if they would just stop this nonsense with the delay in the 2nd shot and just get people protected we should be able to come out of this by Easter.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
The new variant is 70% more transmissible and that’s the issue. It raises the R # by anything from 0.4 to 0.7. So from being OK and around 0.6 or 0.7 for quite a while, suddenly cases are rising inexorably.

I think the fact that Boris followed Sturgeon and so everyone is now in lockdown makes it more likely people will obey in the main. Plus it’s winter which should help keep people inside more than congregating in the parks. Now if they would just stop this nonsense with the delay in the 2nd shot and just get people protected we should be able to come out of this by Easter.
I know about the transmission and such. I was just mistaken on what I thought about the Pfizer information. Truly my brain is fried after this morning. I wasn't joking about how hard it was to get an appointment for my MIL to get her covid vaccine.

I've been reading about this variant since Sept and Oct when it was first discussed. I don't know what made you think I wasn't aware in my previous post. I truly wish you all the best. Was simply sympathizing because we also triggered a lock down again due to the worst levels. My county has a 4 level system for this and we were the worst level ever. Though we did not shut down the way we did in March which baffled me. I truly hope the lock down helps you all! I wish they'd do more here.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
A half dose I am not as okay with as those saying your second dose might be delayed a little. There is no issue in getting a dose later than recommended. At least last I read.

We are running into issues of getting people vaccinated. I spent about 3.5 hours trying to get my MIL an appointment. The site crashed. The lines were busy etc. It was a mess. We really are having to choose who might be safe or not and that's tough. UK numbers are bad so I get why they are desperate
We aren't running into issues. Because our state hasn't made any vaccines available to the general public yet. My 80 something parents have zero idea when they'll be eligible. Haven't seen anything on it yet.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I know about the transmission and such. I was just mistaken on what I thought about the Pfizer information. Truly my brain is fried after this morning. I wasn't joking about how hard it was to get an appointment for my MIL to get her covid vaccine.

I've been reading about this variant since Sept and Oct when it was first discussed. I don't know what made you think I wasn't aware in my previous post. I truly wish you all the best. Was simply sympathizing because we also triggered a lock down again due to the worst levels. My county has a 4 level system for this and we were the worst level ever. I truly hope the lock down helps.
Oh I was just saying about the variant to explain why the cases were soaring. Not everyone is as aware of it as I absolutely know you are.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
We aren't running into issues. Because our state hasn't made any vaccines available to the general public yet. My 80 something parents have zero idea when they'll be eligible. Haven't seen anything on it yet.
I'm sorry. None here in my state either outside of medical workers and those in long term care facilities. I just aided my MIL who resides in FL. I have heard nothing on my own state for my dad. I know for myself, but I am in a trial. So my timeline is different.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
Oh I was just saying about the variant to explain why the cases were soaring. Not everyone is as aware of it as I absolutely know you are.
Oops, just chalk weird posts up to today then lol.

Disney reeaaaally trained me for today. Refresh, refresh, refresh... site crashes hours later. Redial redial redial... hold........
I'll stop posting for a while maybe lol

Truly I am not 100% sure what caused it here though. Our country isn't tracing the way they should though.
 

Animal_Kingdom_09

Active Member
Oops, just chalk weird posts up to today then lol.

Disney reeaaaally trained me for today. Refresh, refresh, refresh... site crashes hours later. Redial redial redial... hold........
I'll stop posting for a while maybe lol

Truly I am not 100% sure what caused it here though. Our country isn't tracing the way they should though.
Not sure if you got an appointment for you MIL. If you did not, I will suggest that you try other counties if she is able to drive a little or has someone who can drive her. I was able to get an appointment for my mother in the next county over, probably because it has fewer residents over 65 than does my county.

While I am one of those who is going to wait to get the vaccine until I have to since my wife and I have already had the disease, I can't really see any unacceptable risk to my mom with the vaccine. The short term problems have all been identified pretty well, and nobody is going to be able to answer the question about long term issues until it has been used for 5-10 years. I don't remember if you are in the Moderna or Pfizer trial, but the reactions you described reminded me of the reactions to the Shringrix vaccine.

I imagine that other states are going to have the same distribution issues that we are having in Florida. Since they are doing drive-thru's with appointments, the same set up is needed as what is used for the testing sites. Stadiums and parks work best, but there are only so many of those to go around.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
Not sure if you got an appointment for you MIL. If you did not, I will suggest that you try other counties if she is able to drive a little or has someone who can drive her. I was able to get an appointment for my mother in the next county over, probably because it has fewer residents over 65 than does my county.

While I am one of those who is going to wait to get the vaccine until I have to since my wife and I have already had the disease, I can't really see any unacceptable risk to my mom with the vaccine. The short term problems have all been identified pretty well, and nobody is going to be able to answer the question about long term issues until it has been used for 5-10 years. I don't remember if you are in the Moderna or Pfizer trial, but the reactions you described reminded me of the reactions to the Shringrix vaccine.

I imagine that other states are going to have the same distribution issues that we are having in Florida. Since they are doing drive-thru's with appointments, the same set up is needed as what is used for the testing sites. Stadiums and parks work best, but there are only so many of those to go around.
Oh to make it clear, I got through via phone at just about 1pm. She goes Friday. Thank goodness! But yes, I was looking at the county just north of them too if this one failed as they are close to the edge of theirs.

I'm in the Pfizer, and yes talking to friends they have said similar sounding to shingles, though some had more of a reaction to that than I did to these shots. Of course I am still not unblinded but I am comparing it to the flu vaccine I had 2 weeks later after my 2nd dose. It reminded me of a tetanus shot I had about a year ago now.

I'm lucky to be in a large city with massive venues they can use. For H1N1 they even used a national guard air installation for distribution. So they will have options. Having to wait 15-30 mins after in cold places will require completely indoor locations here I think. Depending on how many doses they do a day will point to locations I think. We will see what my home state does. We are still doing only medical people and care facilities. But at least my dentist and spouse (both dentists) got their shot already. I'm waiting on my dad at home to see when he can go.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
The FDA shut down the idea of modifying vaccine dosage or scheduling for all the right reasons (you know...the ones I said...).

From CNN:

Anyone who receives the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine must get both doses, two top US Food and Drug Administration officials said Monday.

They said people who are speculating about the possibility of making do with just one dose are misinterpreting the data.

“We have been following the discussions and news reports about reducing the number of doses, extending the length of time between doses, changing the dose (half-dose), or mixing and matching vaccines in order to immunize more people against COVID-19,” FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn and Dr. Peter Marks, who heads FDA’s vaccine division, said in a statement.

“These are all reasonable questions to consider and evaluate in clinical trials. However, at this time, suggesting changes to the FDA-authorized dosing or schedules of these vaccines is premature and not rooted solidly in the available evidence. Without appropriate data supporting such changes in vaccine administration, we run a significant risk of placing public health at risk, undermining the historic vaccination efforts to protect the population from COVID-19,” they added.
“The available data continue to support the use of two specified doses of each authorized vaccine at specified intervals. For the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, the interval is 21 days between the first and second dose. And for the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, the interval is 28 days between the first and second dose.”

British officials have said they will allow more than 21 days between doses of Pfizer’s vaccines and would consider allowing people to get vaccinated with two different vaccines. Hahn and Marks dismissed these ideas for the US, saying while there is speculation that a single dose offers protection, there is not enough hard evidence to show it will.

“What we have seen is that the data in the firms’ submissions regarding the first dose is commonly being misinterpreted. In the phase 3 trials, 98% of participants in the Pfizer-BioNTech trial and 92% of participants in the Moderna trial received two doses of the vaccine at either a three- or four-week interval, respectively,” they wrote.

“Those participants who did not receive two vaccine doses at either a three-or four-week interval were generally only followed for a short period of time, such that we cannot conclude anything definitive about the depth or duration of protection after a single dose of vaccine from the single dose percentages reported by the companies.”

It’s understandable that people may want to stretch the vaccine supply, they said. But it’s not advisable.

“If people do not truly know how protective a vaccine is, there is the potential for harm because they may assume that they are fully protected when they are not, and accordingly, alter their behavior to take unnecessary risks,” they said.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
Extremely significant news from Moderna today--immunity should last "years" and work against the variants first discovered in the UK and South Africa. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...OS5PlHAYM7r6KKGK_11w_nVLxUjfezfzTj7a-WRnFClKw

The light is getting brighter.
Great news! I was reading along and more were positive that these mRNAs would be effective against newer variants than negative. Though still saying "should" I do think from what I've read it really is a more likely than not.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Great news! I was reading along and more were positive that these mRNAs would be effective against newer variants than negative. Though still saying "should" I do think from what I've read it really is a more likely than not.
I try to be cautious with wording until data is released but he would not say this if he was not certain. You can’t pull a fast one when the world is watching this closely. I presume they just need a bit of time before releasing a full report and thought the world could use good news today.

Thank the maker.
 

Rabflmom

Active Member
We had plans to try to get the vaccine, but with the death of the Miami Beach doctor from a stoke after noticing the broken blood vessels in his feet 3 days after getting the first shot we are going to wait. I have had mini stroke before and my husband has a pace maker so is on Eliquis to hopefully keep him from having a stroke, so we are in the compromised health group over 65. If there is a possibility of it causing stroke our best bet is to remain in the home except for food and doctor runs with an occasional outing to the beach for a while longer. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine will be a 1 shot vaccine so might wait to hear more about it.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
We had plans to try to get the vaccine, but with the death of the Miami Beach doctor from a stoke after noticing the broken blood vessels in his feet 3 days after getting the first shot we are going to wait. I have had mini stroke before and my husband has a pace maker so is on Eliquis to hopefully keep him from having a stroke, so we are in the compromised health group over 65. If there is a possibility of it causing stroke our best bet is to remain in the home except for food and doctor runs with an occasional outing to the beach for a while longer. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine will be a 1 shot vaccine so might wait to hear more about it.
All people die - now listen more. Stroke killed several people in the placebo group as the trials are on going. Chances of it being vaccine related are pretty nil and every article I read about this doctor said as much. If you are compromised health over 65, you are exactly the type that should not be waiting. Even food, doctor, and beach runs will put you at some risk. Talk to your doctor too before deciding due to a coincidence.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
All people die - now listen more. Stroke killed several people in the placebo group as the trials are on going. Chances of it being vaccine related are pretty nil and every article I read about this doctor said as much. If you are compromised health over 65, you are exactly the type that should not be waiting. Even food, doctor, and beach runs will put you at some risk. Talk to your doctor too before deciding due to a coincidence.
Strokes also have a baseline rate in the general population. Even strokes in relatively young, apparently healthy people aren't exactly rare, although certainly less common than in the elderly.

I would consider this a data point, and nothing more at the present time. The risk of COVID-19 is already one of the leading causes of death in the US, and going forward over the next couple months as the vaccines become more widely available, it should soon become an entirely preventable cause of death.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
We had plans to try to get the vaccine, but with the death of the Miami Beach doctor from a stoke after noticing the broken blood vessels in his feet 3 days after getting the first shot we are going to wait. I have had mini stroke before and my husband has a pace maker so is on Eliquis to hopefully keep him from having a stroke, so we are in the compromised health group over 65. If there is a possibility of it causing stroke our best bet is to remain in the home except for food and doctor runs with an occasional outing to the beach for a while longer. I hear the Johnson and Johnson vaccine will be a 1 shot vaccine so might wait to hear more about it.
While it is prudent to wait and see for a bit longer, A) the link between shot and death 3 weeks later is extremely unlikely and B) this is the first death after 6 million shots given to Americans. If those same 6 million Americans contracted COVID-19, somewhere around 60,000 would die.

Hopefully JnJ is more to your liking, but you are unlikely to find a single shot or medication without serious (rare) side effects. Tylenol kills people.

Not that one should come to Disney World discussion boards for medical advice.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
The articles say the doctor died from Immune Thrombocytopenia. I wonder if he possibly had COVID because that condition has been found to be a complication from COVID infection:

 

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