News Country Bear Jamboree is getting new songs and acts

[scottieRoss]

For a E ticket coaster with individual seating? Sure. For a bench seating show that runs every 15 minutes? No.

It’s important to have these “get out of the heat” hidden gem shows in a theme park. It’s a part of the reason why Magic Kingdom is so much more successful than other theme parks. If every attraction was filled to the brim and had a long wait, guests would grow tired and impatient, less likely to come back to the park.

No, it is for profitability. The net expense per guest is higher when the theater is not full. So it needs to be full. What you are expressing is just a made up justification, not the real world. Like an agenda searching for a reason.

 

[scottieRoss]

Also a great point. This is partly why things like The Horror Make Up Show and Animal Actors are still there since opening day at Universal Studios Florida.

except Animal Actors closed. And from what is on the grapevine, Horror Make Up Show's days are dwindling.

 

[celluloid]

except Animal Actors closed. And from what is on the grapevine, Horror Make Up Show's days are dwindling.

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[lazyboy97o]

you most certainly want to fill every available space.

No you don’t. Thats why operating capacity is expected to be below theoretical capacity.

People don’t nearly organize themselves into the most efficient arrangement. Doing that takes time and space that doesn’t make sense for a lot of theaters, especially smaller ones. Taking the time to load people in to fill every seat would take more time which would increase the cycle time resulting in a reduction to capacity.

 

[doctornick]

CBJ gets a lot more people than Tiki Room does, based on all the times I have visited. It's always got a decent sized crowd with the exception of opening hour and last hours.

Not sure where everyone is getting their numbers from... But it's always been at LEAST half full whenever I've visited. Especially mid-afternoons...

Now Tiki, though? Unless it's a super packed day, I only ever ever a dozen or so people in there... I've also never understood the defense for Tiki Room and not CBJ. Of the two, I think CBJ is more entertaining. But I guess that's just an opinion.

I'd be curious if @lentesta or anyone has data because I tend to feel it is the opposite with Tiki being more full when I have visited (though neither plays to packed houses).

 

[flynnibus]

No you don’t. Thats why operating capacity is expected to be below theoretical capacity.

People don’t nearly organize themselves into the most efficient arrangement. Doing that takes time and space that doesn’t make sense for a lot of theaters, especially smaller ones. Taking the time to load people in to fill every seat would take more time which would increase the cycle time resulting in a reduction to capacity.

Except we know the primary trigger here is not efficiency but modern guests being opposed to sitting nect to strangers or people “picking” their seats.

Yes disney would spend more time fighting that everytime but otherwise would prefer to get that higher stuffing.

Tldr : no they don’t wanna stall to fit the odd gaps but would otherwise prefer not having unnecessary empties mid row/etc

 

[flynnibus]

60-70%
You don’t want to fill every seat in a row because then guests get uncomfortable

Well i’d love to hear actuals from the ride because I can’t recall the last time i’ve seen it half full… let alone thinking it’s 60-70% most of the time.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Except we know the primary trigger here is not efficiency but modern guests being opposed to sitting nect to strangers or people “picking” their seats.

Yes disney would spend more time fighting that everytime but otherwise would prefer to get that higher stuffing.

Tldr : no they don’t wanna stall to fit the odd gaps but would otherwise prefer not having unnecessary empties mid row/etc

The various theater shows were not designed with staging areas that are no longer in use. So no, this y just an issue of modern guests. It’s an understood basic of how theater shows do and should operate. No good operator is going to waste time that reduces overall capacity to improve one off throughput.

 

[flynnibus]

No good operator is going to waste time that reduces overall capacity to improve one off throughput.

Thats my point - the topic here is not about operators having to reshuffle or fill gaps - its about guests having their selfish preferences. It was mentioned “guests being uncomfortable” and that’s what the response was to - disney would prefer guests fill in instead of leaving unnecessary gaps. Disney not fighting it because of avoiding conflict and keeping on schedule doesn’t negate the first point.

“Fill in every available seat” was still a thing and preference even tho disney knew and never tried to fit 100%

 

[aladdin2007]

After thinking about it, my concern is if they cut anything or any animatronics from the show its going to be buff and max and the other one off to the side.....there are 3 right?

 

[PiratesMansion]

Now Tiki, though? Unless it's a super packed day, I only ever ever a dozen or so people in there... I've also never understood the defense for Tiki Room and not CBJ. Of the two, I think CBJ is more entertaining. But I guess that's just an opinion.

I think Tiki Room is defended by some who don't defend CBJ because:
1. It's the first AA show and it can be more directly tied to Walt than CBJ can (his "last laugh" may have been in reference to CBJ concepts, but the show as it was then and the show that opened in 1971 are not 1:1).
2. Many things that started in Florida and moved to other places are inherently treated as 'lesser' by some people than things that started in CA-arguably Space Mountain is the only thing that opened first in FL and later moved elsewhere that everybody loves. All because Disneyland was the first one, which some construe to mean the 'important' one, so obviously it's more important if it opened at Disneyland first. And on a related note:
3. If the show never really caught on at Disneyland the same way as it did elsewhere (and has been closed in California for over 20 years, and last played the OG show even more long ago than that), obviously it must be because it's "inferior art" and people who like it must be morons. So goes the logic for some people, anyway.
4. Long-standing bias that some segment of the population will always feel against country music and/or the people who listen to country music.

I would agree that more often than not, there have been more people in CBJ showings than Tiki Room in my experience. There's a reason that Tiki Room got converted to UNM, but when CBJ changed to Vacation Hoedown it proved short-lived because people wanted the original show back. There are plenty of people who are Florida/WDW based that clearly prefer the Bears over the Tiki Room-but the people who make the decisions are in California, and likewise assume that DL is always correct and MK is always the flawed sequel while subscribing to additional biases noted above. So anyone who prefers the Bears over the Tiki Room probably seems incomprehensible to them, even if the numbers and history might point to that reality.

 

[celluloid]

The pitch made a lot.more sense in 2004 when Philharmonic was not about to be the hit that suits the sing along for the park.
We don't need any duplication.
Another aspect of they are not careful the pacing of the show will be odd. Most songs(especially the ones left) are country novelty songs that were originally short so having them abridged.

I will miss it all so much. Ope slewfoot. "Some folks say he looks a lot like me" was always a cute and emotional ending of amazement for me.

 

[Meeko77]

After thinking about it, my concern is if they cut anything or any animatronics from the show its going to be buff and max and the other one off to the side.....there are 3 right?

Yep - Melvin is the 3rd. I hope they stay, too!

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Unless I’m not super sensitive what are these problematic lyrics? It’s funny to nitpick when you actually hear what lyrics are on the radio.

 

[LittleBuford]

Unless I’m not super sensitive what are these problematic lyrics? It’s funny to nitpick when you actually hear what lyrics are on the radio.

I definitely think the lyrics are a product of their time. None of them bother me, but as I noted earlier, the reference to “all the guys that turn me on” now seems really surprising and even out of place in a Disney park. If a new attraction debuted with those lyrics, I think most of us would be taken aback.

 

[Musical Mermaid]

Blue Shadows is a country classic, and in Three Amigos as well.

I looked up the Three Amigos version and that's a different song, melody and lyrics, despite having the same name. I'm not sure which one is considered a classic, maybe they both are.

 

[celluloid]

I looked up the Three Amigos version and that's a different song, melody and lyrics, despite having the same name. I'm not sure which one is considered a classic, maybe they both are.

Definitely the Melody time one was first. The Three Amigos one is by Randy Newman. Just making a joke. We don't need more Randy Newman in Frontierland.

 

[Musical Mermaid]

Definitely the Melody time one was first. The Three Amigos one is by Randy Newman. Just making a joke. We don't need more Randy Newman in Frontierland.

Ah, ok. I agree on no more Randy Newman in Frontierland, but they're probably itching to insert a Toy Story song into the Country Bears.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Ah, ok. I agree on no more Randy Newman in Frontierland, but they're probably itching to insert a Toy Story song into the Country Bears.

In my view, there's probably an 80% chance they open or close with "You've Got a Friend in Me."

Not something to inspire confidence.

 

[celluloid]

Ah, ok. I agree on no more Randy Newman in Frontierland, but they're probably itching to insert a Toy Story song into the Country Bears.

That would suck and show how stuck and dry they are.
That would make the second place in the park you could hear you've got a friend in me and the fourth theme park attraction at the resort you could. Maybe a female vocality for when somebody loves you for the sad song bit.

The issue too is all this does is make people think of the scenes from the films they are from. They are directly connected. The songs the Bears perform now are true to their characters.
Now they are a Disney cover band.