Could they repaint TTC or remodel it please?

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Design police with degrees in the Visual Arts and Architecture.
I believe that when I see it. But, thanks for the clarification. Plus no idea what people like to see or want to see. Degrees in abstract fields have little to no influence on me. One cannot make an artistic endeavor into a fact based statement.
 

MrHappy

Well-Known Member
I'm going to go out on a limb and say TTC is down the list of priorities.
Actually, hasn't there been conversation around the whole MK transportation flow as it relates to increased security and optimized traffic flow? TTC has been mentioned to get a refresh I believe for the same purpose. I hope all this is true. Beyond the security and traffic flow reasons, the style and colors are...well....not good. I'd love to throw the traffic signs and many of the bus wraps in this conversation as well. Purge the 90s!
 

rkleinlein

Well-Known Member
OK, but what if I think Kinkade is better then Monet... why would that make you right and me wrong? I don't happen to think that the TTC colors are horrid. That is what you and some others THINK not what you know. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There is no finite definition, it is totally objective. I think that considering it is the start of the excitement of seeing the theme park show waiting ahead and not really an attraction of it's own that there is nothing out of place about it. I'm really not even sure of where you get the idea that it is a consensus in this case. Consensus of how many? A couple of people that consider themselves to be the fashion and design police? I stopped bowing to the opinions of others a long time ago.
If someone thinks Thomas Kindade is a better painter than Claude Monet they are certainly entitled to their opinion. But that opinion demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge and understanding of art. Someone may think that Jackie Collins is a better writer than William Shakespeare, but most people--not just a couple of people who consider themselves to be the "literature police" but most people who know a little something about English literature will vehemently disagree. Someone may think a bottle of André is better than Dom Perignon, but everyone who regularly drinks champagne knows better. The belief that taste--good taste--is totally objective and nothing more than individual opinion is just plain wrong. Those who think the TTC colors are not horrid are entitled to their opinions. But all opinions are not equally credible and people who know better will overwhelmingly disagree.
 

Nubs70

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Redesign like this:

7.-Berlin-Hauptbahnhof-Germany.jpg
 

SherlockWayne

Active Member
Design police with degrees in the Visual Arts and Architecture.

But just because one has a degree, does not mean they are necessarily correct. I am fortunate enough to have an architecture degree, among others, and I have vast fundamental disagreements with many colleagues and former instructors about structures and designs that are nearly universally acclaimed. I think at the end of the day, there is a good combination of personal taste, as well as developmental indoctrination involved as to what constitutes good design. I, for my part, actually think the TTC is ugly, and would love to see a comprehensive redesign of the entire space. That may again put me at odds with the design community at large, but to say I'm uninformed or lack appropriate knowledge would be incorrect, and I have the documentation to prove otherwise.
 

DznyRktekt

Well-Known Member
But just because one has a degree, does not mean they are necessarily correct. I am fortunate enough to have an architecture degree, among others, and I have vast fundamental disagreements with many colleagues and former instructors about structures and designs that are nearly universally acclaimed. I think at the end of the day, there is a good combination of personal taste, as well as developmental indoctrination involved as to what constitutes good design. I, for my part, actually think the TTC is ugly, and would love to see a comprehensive redesign of the entire space. That may again put me at odds with the design community at large, but to say I'm uninformed or lack appropriate knowledge would be incorrect, and I have the documentation to prove otherwise.
I am in full agreement with you and respect the five years you studied to earn your Architecture degree and if you chose to become licensed, the seven NCARB examinations passed to add AIA to your signature. It is a huge accomplishment!
 

Brad Bishop

Well-Known Member
But just because one has a degree, does not mean they are necessarily correct. I am fortunate enough to have an architecture degree, among others, and I have vast fundamental disagreements with many colleagues and former instructors about structures and designs that are nearly universally acclaimed. I think at the end of the day, there is a good combination of personal taste, as well as developmental indoctrination involved as to what constitutes good design. I, for my part, actually think the TTC is ugly, and would love to see a comprehensive redesign of the entire space. That may again put me at odds with the design community at large, but to say I'm uninformed or lack appropriate knowledge would be incorrect, and I have the documentation to prove otherwise.

Reminds me a bit of the elite liking modern art which any of us would say is a waste and them taking the attitude of, "Well, you're just not sophisticated enough to appreciate it," and it's something like a bumper bolted to a keg with the title, "Keg bolted to bumper." I actually saw that in D.C. around 1993 or so. Also saw a piece entitled, "Blank Canvas," - try to guess what was on it.

The attitude is definitely there that you're not sophisticated (not smart enough - a lowly peasant) to appreciate it.

It is very much an "Emperor has no clothes" type of thing.
 

rkleinlein

Well-Known Member
But just because one has a degree, does not mean they are necessarily correct. I am fortunate enough to have an architecture degree, among others, and I have vast fundamental disagreements with many colleagues and former instructors about structures and designs that are nearly universally acclaimed. I think at the end of the day, there is a good combination of personal taste, as well as developmental indoctrination involved as to what constitutes good design. I, for my part, actually think the TTC is ugly, and would love to see a comprehensive redesign of the entire space. That may again put me at odds with the design community at large, but to say I'm uninformed or lack appropriate knowledge would be incorrect, and I have the documentation to prove otherwise.
Of course there are instances where there is not universal agreement, even among people with credentials in a given field, and especially if the subject is particularly challenging or controversial (conceptual art and cutting edge architecture for example).

In many cases however, the consensus is universal and the conclusion is obvious: Shakespeare IS a better writer than Jackie Collins. Claude Monet IS a better painter than Thomas Kinkaid. Period.

I know next to nothing about classical music. I hear it and can let you know whether or not I like it. I have an opinion. But if I thought my uninformed assessment of the quality of Beethoven's Fifth was as just as valid of the judgment of the millions of professionals trained in classical music performance and criticism, and the millions of aficionados who listen to classical music all the time, it would be the height of arrogance. We all need to trust that some people know more than we do about certain things and are therefore more qualified to render informed opinions.

Not all opinions are equal, even in matters of art.

The look of the TTC is obvious for everyone who knows anything about design, art, and architecture: it's ugly. Period.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
If someone thinks Thomas Kindade is a better painter than Claude Monet they are certainly entitled to their opinion. But that opinion demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge and understanding of art. Someone may think that Jackie Collins is a better writer than William Shakespeare, but most people--not just a couple of people who consider themselves to be the "literature police" but most people who know a little something about English literature will vehemently disagree. Someone may think a bottle of André is better than Dom Perignon, but everyone who regularly drinks champagne knows better. The belief that taste--good taste--is totally objective and nothing more than individual opinion is just plain wrong. Those who think the TTC colors are not horrid are entitled to their opinions. But all opinions are not equally credible and people who know better will overwhelmingly disagree.
No, they are just people that have allowed others to tell them what they like. Shakespeare? Right we all lived in that era so we know that the gibberish is a knowledge and understanding of art. Was he good for his time... no doubt, was he great? Did what he wrote translate well and become understandable to all? Not that I can see, however, it does make a person feel superior when they stand in a room pretending to understand art. Shakespeare got his reputation for being different and hard to understand. Literature professors are solely responsible for it's continued exposure. Is it a good example of the times it was produced in? Of course it is. If produced for the first time now, how would it be judged? Art is two things. It is something to be enjoyed and appreciated. If you enjoy it and appreciate it, it is art. Not just some snobs that think they know what they actually do not. It is all bull including the Andre' vs. Dom Perignon. The only way it is really judged is by how much it costs. Even if a refined pallet is a reality, it is still an individual pallet and what one human being experiences via the pallet may be miles different then others. One persons Dom Perignon is another persons swill. It is a implanted opinion based on multiple elements and not necessarily fact.

To slightly alter your final statement... all opinions are not equally credible and the people that believe they know better will overwhelmingly disagree.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Art IS Subjective. Period.

There are artists who are generally accepted as better than others, but at the end of the day you do not need to have a degree in any kind of art field to determine what you like.
Maybe not, but a thorough understanding of the medium makes for a more knowledgeable opinion.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Opinion. That's the key word there.

But anyway, by that logic you would need to be a writer to appreciate a good book.
No, but to know the difference between a good book and a great book, it helps to have a good understanding of the English language.

edit: You know, as well as I do, that you are over-simplifying my argument to the absurd.
 
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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
No, the ultimate arbiters of taste is a bunch of gay guys and Beyoncé.

If you want their take on the TTC, submit a précis to their next meeting. Or, invite them to take a look and track their eye rolls and lip pursings.
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
No, the ultimate arbiters of taste is a bunch of gay guys and Beyoncé.

If you want their take on the TTC, submit a précis to their next meeting. Or, invite them to take a look and track their eye rolls and lip pursings.

Ahhhh...gotta love the stereotyping. You win the following award....

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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Do tell us how speakers of Early Modern English had difficulty understanding Shakespeare's works.
They did... not so much anymore. Read my words not what you think they mean. I believe I said, "in its time". Were the same thing published today with no previous reference it would be laughed out of the office. I, for example, did great work when I was in my 20's, now it would be dated and out of touch unless, unless someone that claimed to know everything started to tell us how great it was. Then we might agree.
 

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