Could they repaint TTC or remodel it please?

[lazyboy97o]

They did... not so much anymore. Read my words not what you think they mean. I believe I said, "in its time". Were the same thing published today with no previous reference it would be laughed out of the office. I, for example, did great work when I was in my 20's, now it would be dated and out of touch unless, unless someone that claimed to know everything started to tell us how great it was. Then we might agree.

Your words are right there. How did "Shakespeare [get] his reputation [by] being different and hard to understand"?

 

[Goofyernmost]

Your words are right there. How did "Shakespeare [get] his reputation [by] being different and hard to understand"?

Simple... because someone or group of people that felt superior to all of us decided that this was a classic work of art. Partially because it was different (that I'm not sure of) and hard to understand. It wasn't difficult to understand when it was written (and btw, we still may be giving credit of authorship to the wrong person), however, if not given the artificial endorsement of greatness, would not be so today. Somebody said it, so we followed! Sort of like drinking Scotch. Repeatedly, it is told to us that it is an acquired taste. Suppose no one were to tell us that. Would we still be drinking Scotch or using it strictly to light campfires.

 

[danyoung56]

I'm on the side of "it all comes down to personal taste". Look at the entryway to Epcot - most people think it's hideous, but I can't make myself see it as anything bad. I think the obelisks make a beautiful counterpart to the grandness of Spaceship Earth, and the entryway as a whole really works for me. Now, someone who has serious art or architecture training might disagree, but that in no way invalidates (or even influences) my opinion.

Now, is the TTC hideous? I'm not really sure. It's a question that's never come up. Next time I see it I'll give it a bit of thought. But overall it's the place where a parking lot and a fleet of ferries and some monorails come together. And as such, it fills its purpose admirably.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Ahhhh...gotta love the stereotyping. You win the following award....

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Hey, I can say those things because, I, myself, am a Beyoncé.

 

[rkleinlein]

No, they are just people that have allowed others to tell them what they like. Shakespeare? Right we all lived in that era so we know that the gibberish is a knowledge and understanding of art. Was he good for his time... no doubt, was he great? Did what he wrote translate well and become understandable to all? Not that I can see, however, it does make a person feel superior when they stand in a room pretending to understand art. Shakespeare got his reputation for being different and hard to understand. Literature professors are solely responsible for it's continued exposure. Is it a good example of the times it was produced in? Of course it is. If produced for the first time now, how would it be judged? Art is two things. It is something to be enjoyed and appreciated. If you enjoy it and appreciate it, it is art. Not just some snobs that think they know what they actually do not. It is all bull including the Andre' vs. Dom Perignon. The only way it is really judged is by how much it costs. Even if a refined pallet is a reality, it is still an individual pallet and what one human being experiences via the pallet may be miles different then others. One persons Dom Perignon is another persons swill. It is a implanted opinion based on multiple elements and not necessarily fact.

To slightly alter your final statement... all opinions are not equally credible and the people that believe they know better will overwhelmingly disagree.

Thanks. This demonstrates my point perfectly.

 

[Tiki Queen of Outer Space]

Look yall can excuse bad design choices of the early 90's all you want, but it's still bad. If they would simply repaint it to be less obnoxious I would be ok with it, just something. I'm not asking for a full remodel (yet).

 

[rkleinlein]

Art IS Subjective. Period.

There are artists who are generally accepted as better than others, but at the end of the day you do not need to have a degree in any kind of art field to determine what you like.

There is a difference between what an individual personally likes, namely an opinion--which requires neither degree, knowledge, nor experience to determine--and an well-informed critical assessment of quality which most certainly requires knowledge and experience to be credible. Opinion and critical assessment are not the same. An opinion of art may be subjective, but a critical assessment of art is not subjective.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Simple... because someone or group of people that felt superior to all of us decided that this was a classic work of art. Partially because it was different (that I'm not sure of) and hard to understand. It wasn't difficult to understand when it was written (and btw, we still may be giving credit of authorship to the wrong person), however, if not given the artificial endorsement of greatness, would not be so today. Somebody said it, so we followed! Sort of like drinking Scotch. Repeatedly, it is told to us that it is an acquired taste. Suppose no one were to tell us that. Would we still be drinking Scotch or using it strictly to light campfires.

What group? When? Shakespeare wasn't rediscovered, so there was no moment when his work suddenly became "difficult" and catapulted into vogue. It seems you are doing exactly what you claim to be speaking against. You don't like it so no one else would like it if they weren't just a bunch of sheep. The difference though is that those you denigrate are able to articulate reasons to support their position.

Look yall can excuse bad design choices of the early 90's all you want, but it's still bad. If they would simply repaint it to be less obnoxious I would be ok with it, just something. I'm not asking for a full remodel (yet).

Repainting would not address the stark differences in materials between the primary structures and the applied signage and fencing.

 

[Matt_Black]

There is a difference between what an individual personally likes, namely an opinion--which requires neither degree, knowledge, nor experience to determine--and an well-informed critical assessment of quality which most certainly requires knowledge and experience to be credible. Opinion and critical assessment are not the same. An opinion of art may be subjective, but a critical assessment of art is not subjective.

Oh, trust me, I've tried to argue this many times on another forum*. For example, I really enjoy the film Mannequin. I've watched it more times than Schindler's List. Is Mannequin therefore a better film than Schindler's List? I would be very hard pressed to successfully argue the merits of Andrew McCarthy's opus over that of Spielberg.

*"What do you think is the best Disney film?"
ROBIN HOOD!
"How would you say it's better than Fantasia, Beauty & The Beast or The Lion King?"
WE LIKE IT!
"I understand that, but I didn't ask 'What is your favorite' or 'What do you like most?' What Disney movie do you think best showcases excellence in filmmaking?"
... ROBIN HOOD!!!
"*Sigh*"