Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

Folks who think the vaccine is 100 percent safe or 100 percent dangerous are fooling themselves.

This sort of false equivalency only gives undo credence to anti-vaxxer lies and misinformation.

 

[HeartOfTeFiti]

It singles out COVID-19 because businesses contemplating vaccine passports has never been a thing for any other disease. Proving that I've had the MMR vaccine would be very difficult as an adult. I was vaccinated in NY before entering school by a pediatrician who died a few years ago. I don't think getting the records would even be possible.

There is a test that can be done from a blood draw that can prove whether or not you were properly vaccinated with the MMR vaccine. I say properly because people who received an early version may not have gotten full benefit.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Without derailing into political discussion, elected officials are elected to represent the electorate which put them in office. Some politicians believe in implementing the desires of the electorate and some politicians believe that they know better, the electorate is incapable of making their own decisions and that they should do "what's best" like dealing with a child. We don't know how much discussion there was behind the scenes.

When it comes to a public health crisis, I would hope we could all agree that elected officials’
primary reaponsibility should be listening to public health officials in how to respond.

 

[Angel Ariel]

My bolded x1000. This makes me so sad I want to cry. I'm getting really worried that there's seemingly a decrease in interest to get the children under 12 vaccinated at all.

Agreed. My child needs the option. I don’t care who else does or doesn’t do it at this age, but her specialists have made it clear it is the best route for her.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I could be mis-remembering. We did have discussion here about whether "enlarged" and "inflammation" meant the same thing - they are not. We also talked briefly about fluid around the heart...my step-dad has this from time-to-time, and I seem to remember that basically being a part of heart failure.

Then where did the "official cause of death not yet determined" part come from if not from a medical professional?

Correct. A physician using the term "enlarged heart" will almost certainly be talking about a cardiomyopathy. These are either congenital.or take years to develop.

I can't say 100% what someone's heart who died of peri- or myocarditis would look like on gross autopsy, but I don't think there would be any more than minimal enlargement if it didn't pre-exist in the patient.

 

[Touchdown]

There isn’t disinterest, the studies are on going, results will be published late Sept-Mid Oct and if good, approval will come late Nov-Dec.

 

[Jwink]

How much anxiety does your DH feel from worrying he will bring COVID home to you?

How much anxiety will you feel when you get COVID, wondering if you will be the one with an adverse reaction?

How much guilt will your family members feel when you get COVID wondering who brought it home?

If you have a bad case, how much anxiety will your family feel wondering if you will recover and how long it will take?

How much anxiety will you feel if you get long-COVID? Your DH who would have to care for you, your kids that would have to help?

You see, you aren't avoiding anxiety by not getting the shot. Only delaying anxiety; and transferring anxiety onto someone in your family. Delaying for you. Both for your DH, your kids. Your friends and family who are missing you.

Plus, the anxiety they could end up experiencing could be far worse. Because you could be the one that is sedated and feeling no anxiety at all, while they wonder what will happen to Mom.

If your anxiety is so bad that you would rather everyone else around you feel anxiety, for an undetermined amount of time, and potentially far worse depending on the outcome, then you need a professional therapist. And I say that with all the empathy in the world, because I bet this is not the only thing you are feeling anxiety about in your life. Its preventing you, your DH and your kids from living your best lives.

If you get the shot, how long do you really think you will feel anxious? 1-3 days, like the rest of us wondering if we're going to have something more than sore arm? 6 weeks, because that's what the maximum time for vax related symptoms to appear? Somewhere in between? Either way, it comes with an expiration date. Not the undetermined amount you've chosen for your family. I'm sure everyone says they're fine, because they want Mom to be fine. They're not. All of your family is missing something, and your choice means they have to miss it longer. Talk to them honestly about what they miss and how missing it makes them feel. Don't settle for the answer "it's fine." You're a Mom, you know there's something else there.

And don't let your inside voice say, "You aren't going to get COVID." You will. Maybe not Delta, but this winter, or next winter, or the winter after that. Are you going to stay at home that long? You really think doing that isn't causing anxiety to someone that you love?

So the anxiety you say "isn't worth it." I guarantee you it is, but you, your DH and kids won't be able to see how much it was worth it until you get to the other side.

You’re right. I’m being selfish. That’s definitely a perspective I have not thought of. Thank you- you’ve given me something to think about.

 

[Angel Ariel]

There isn’t disinterest, the studies are on going, results will be published late Sept-Mid Oct and if good, approval will come late Nov-Dec.

This is slower rhan what pfizer was announcing even a month ago, when they indicated results would be end of august/sept. There have also been indications that fda may not approve EUA for this group

 

[Disstevefan1]

This sort of false equivalency only gives undo credence to anti-vaxxer lies and misinformation.

I will put you down for 100 percent safe. That’s ok, everyone must make their choice no matter what they think the percentage safe or unsafe the vaccine is for them. Folks must make their best guess for them looking at all the information.

 

[LittleBuford]

I have this vision of dying in my sleep after jab no.2 and my kids wake up to find me or something.

The scariest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life was a night in February this year when my father nearly died on a ventilator after catching COVID. Please, for your children’s sake as well as your own, trust your doctors over anything you read online. Get the vaccine and protect yourself.

(Tone is difficult to convey on a message board, but please know that I say all this with kindness and concern. I understand your fears and take them seriously.)

 

[Touchdown]

This is slower rhan what pfizer was announcing even a month ago, when they indicated results would be end of august/sept. There have also been indications that fda may not approve EUA for this group

Prelim results, not final ones, and the FDA cannot make a decision one way or the other until the data is out.

 

[hopemax]

You’re right. I’m being selfish. That’s definitely a perspective I have not thought of. Thank you- you’ve given me something to think about.

You can only see the anxiety monster right in front of you. And that makes sense; it's closest. Please, just make sure you consider all the other anxiety monsters you have brought into your loved ones lives. The guilt monsters you invite if you get a bad COVID. The sadness monsters from everyone who is missing you, and others feel from missing things about their life. They count too.

{{{hugs}}}

 

[Angel Ariel]

Prelim results, not final ones, and the FDA cannot make a decision one way or the other until the data is out.

That hasn’t stopped the FDA from discussing it. They were split on the issue of emergency authorizatiolast month.

Administration’s (FDA) Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) disagreed as to whether the agency should grant emergency use authorizations (EUAs) for COVID-19 vaccines for children at a 10 June meeting.

These are from those questioning the need for EUA under 12, and this concerns me

Some panel members cited declining COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations and the incidence of severe disease in children as reasons to avoid taking the EUA route.

“We certainly need a pediatric vaccine, that is not the issue of what we are discussing today, the question is at what point will we have sufficient data …There are four hospitalizations per one million children, that is not an emergency and is a very low hospitalization rate,” said Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics at the Tufts University School of Medicine.

Meissner said that he is also concerned about the potential link between the mRNA vaccines and myocardia in children based on the data from Israel and the CDC.

“I am worried about myocarditis,” Meissner said, adding that it is still unknown whether these cases could cause scarring of the myocardium or a predisposition to arrythmias, though he believes those outcomes are unlikely.

He added that, “Before we start vaccinating millions of adolescents and children it is so important to find out what the consequences are … By not insisting on a full BLA … I do not feel we can justify [an] EUA including children.” Meisner said he would prefer to see the vaccines licensed with at least 12, or potentially 18-24, months of safety follow-up in children and adolescents.

“Once we clarify [the risks] then we definitely want to go ahead with this immunization program,” Meisner added.

“I really am not seeing this as an emergency authorization in children. The EUA just seems like overkill in my opinion,” said Michael Kurilla, director of the division of clinical innovation at the National Center for Advancing Translation Sciences at the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Pamela McInnes, a retired deputy director of the National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences at NIH, concurred. “I am uncomfortable in granting an EUA for these vaccines. I think there should be full licensure.”

FDA panel split on approach to COVID-19 vaccines for younger children

Some said that EUAs were necessary to get the pediatric population vaccinated quickly to achieve herd immunity as the country emerges from the pandemic and that these vaccines should be available soon as the fall and flu season approach and the risk of contracting respiratory infections increases.

www.raps.org

 

[Chi84]

That hasn’t stopped the FDA from discussing it. They were split on the issue of emergency authorizatiolast month.



These are from those questioning the need for EUA under 12, and this concerns me

FDA panel split on approach to COVID-19 vaccines for younger children

Some said that EUAs were necessary to get the pediatric population vaccinated quickly to achieve herd immunity as the country emerges from the pandemic and that these vaccines should be available soon as the fall and flu season approach and the risk of contracting respiratory infections increases.

www.raps.org

I can sort of understand the objection to EUA authorization where the article says the FDA data is showing 4 hospitalizations per one million children. Under those circumstances, maybe they’ll wait for enough data to go straight to full approval.

 

[correcaminos]

If the world was filled with people like you we wouldn’t even be in this mess anymore.

So much compassion and empathy.

Only problem is most people are not like you.

Most people don’t even have a friend or family member like you.

I don’t think we can compassion our way out of this.

Just not enough to go around.

We need a large stick or a large carrot or preferably both.

That being said people like you make an enormous impact on everyone around them.

To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.

Thank you for being wonderful.

Every person needs to be reached in their own way. Normally getting angry doesn't work. Though I have lost my temper. I haven't reached enough but I sure try

However this below... ugh...

I don’t remember seeing any quotes from medical professionals but again I may have missed an update.

It certainly sounded like it COULD be myocarditis / pericarditis and the timing (soon after the second shot) is consistent with other cases.

I’m not saying it was, I’m just not saying it wasn’t until we hear something official.

“Two conditions were linked to the vaccines - inflammation of the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, and inflammation of the fluid-filled sac the heart sits in, known as pericarditis.”

Stop it! Seriously why on earth would you even think of posting this after someone with real anxiety is worried? We've called you out more than once. If you are not willing to help, then don't reply. More than one medical person here has even turned this down as not a concern. Right now they will make sure there is no connection as they take it seriously but really those are not what kids are seeing with myocarditis. It was even discussed in my paperwork.

Try to be helpful and not regurgitate anti-vax rhetoric please. Because really whether you know it or not, that's what you are doing. Here is a related story with very similar rhetoric that was spewed. End result, not related. I've lost 2 teens in my circle to this type of heart issue. One in his sleep, one while water skiing

X-ray tech who died after second COVID-19 vaccine killed by heart disease, coroner says

Rochelle Zook has decided to preserve samples of her husband’s tissue for future testing, hoping to unlock a mystery as more data about the vaccines emerge in years to come.

www.ocregister.com

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Then where did the "official cause of death not yet determined" part come from if not from a medical professional?

Yes that quote did come from a professional. Sorry, I was saying I hadn’t seen any quotes from a professional regarding the condition of his heart.

 

[danlb_2000]

Agreed. My child needs the option. I don’t care who else does or doesn’t do it at this age, but her specialists have made it clear it is the best route for her.

There doesn't seem to be a decreased interest from the manufacturers or the FDA, so we will likely get a vaccine for children at some point.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Stop it!

It’s scary how people are told to stop discussing the fact that there are rare but serious side effects to the vaccines.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Every person needs to be reached in their own way. Normally getting angry doesn't work. Though I have lost my temper. I haven't reached enough but I sure try

However this below... ugh...

Stop it! Seriously why on earth would you even think of posting this after someone with real anxiety is worried? We've called you out more than once. If you are not willing to help, then don't reply. More than one medical person here has even turned this down as not a concern. Right now they will make sure there is no connection as they take it seriously but really those are not what kids are seeing with myocarditis. It was even discussed in my paperwork.

Try to be helpful and not regurgitate anti-vax rhetoric please. Because really whether you know it or not, that's what you are doing. Here is a related story with very similar rhetoric that was spewed. End result, not related. I've lost 2 teens in my circle to this type of heart issue. One in his sleep, one while water skiing

X-ray tech who died after second COVID-19 vaccine killed by heart disease, coroner says

Rochelle Zook has decided to preserve samples of her husband’s tissue for future testing, hoping to unlock a mystery as more data about the vaccines emerge in years to come.

www.ocregister.com

The sad face is for the loss of the two teens in your circle.

And yes...heart issues can go undiagnosed for any number of reasons. My husband didn't learn he had a heart murmur and faulty heart valve until he was in his 40s, and in a very short (uncomfortably quickly, actually) time span was in the hospital for open-heart surgery valve replacement.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I can sort of understand the objection to EUA authorization where the article says the FDA data is showing 4 hospitalizations per one million children. Under those circumstances, maybe they’ll wait for enough data to go straight to full approval.

And that is my concern. The wait. I get that my child is rare, but her medical specialists have indicated she needs the vaccine, and that sending her to school without a vaccine AND withour mitigation strategies (which our district isn’t doing) is a major risk. Virtual schooling is not an option this year for her mental health reasons. I just want the opportunity for her to be protected from serious complications.