ImperfectPixie
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I don't think she's telling you not to discuss them...it's the manner in which you are discussing them. It really feels like you're going out of your way to try to find links where there aren't necessarily any.
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LittleBuford
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There are rare but serious risks associated with any medical intervention. If someone needs an urgent operation, how helpful is it to remind them of the fact that they have a very, very small chance of dying under general anaesthesia? I just don’t get your angle.
One other thing that has probably been left out of those webinars. One of the most prolific side effects of all of the Covid vaccines. The sudden happiness and release from anxiety you will feel when fully vaccinated.You can ask! I’m an open book.
The answer is simple- I’m fearful if I vaxx and I’m fearful if I don’t. I’ve done a lot of research on the vaccine and watched a lot of webinars by doctors who say that the vaccine can cause <insert applicable things>. These are not anti vaxx doctors (in fact both doctors I watch have their vaccine). But they do think information is being withheld in the statistics of adverse events after the mRNA jab. A British dr came on Dr Been’s show and said that women are having all types of bad reactions.
I don’t necessarily believe that… I do have severe health anxiety and at this point I feel like I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. I have this vision of dying in my sleep after jab no.2 and my kids wake up to find me or something.
I have pcos which makes me high risk for catching covid and having a poor outcome. I really feel stuck.
I’ve contacted my gyn and fertility dr who both say to get the shot. So now I’m working through my own stuff (like some RN friends who have pcos and are refusing the shot but won’t tell me why so they don’t ‘sway’ my choice) and trying to gather the courage to stop being stupid and just go get my shot.
There's risk on both sides of this equation. But only one side offers the relief from all this worry and anxiety.
correcaminos
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Thanks. My friend lost her husband just after 40 to the same too. All three were bad, but the two in the teens just well... yeah.
So glad your husband's issues were found in time!
I'm all for discussing REAL side effects. You clearly didn't bother to read my post did you? Yes, I am so beyond angry again. If we want to combat this, then we need to be honest and not fall to our fears. As of right now that was not a side effect of the vaccine. Pretending it is and then doing a manipulation to make me the bad guy isn't cool either. So I will repeat myself. Just stop it.
LittleBuford
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In “Freedom Day” Eve news:
Covid-19: PM and chancellor self-isolate after rapid U-turn
It comes after anger over "VIP testing" allowing them to work following Sajid Javid's positive test.
www.bbc.co.uk
correcaminos
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This too... let's say someone died because of the vaccine - not proven though - bringing that up to an over anxious unvaxxed person is like trying to talk them out of it. Give real facts and odds, not scare tactics. Goes both ways too.
ImperfectPixie
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My understanding is that daily testing isn't a sufficient means to avoid creating a spreader event, either. (Like we saw last year in the US among leadership)In “Freedom Day” Eve news:
Covid-19: PM and chancellor self-isolate after rapid U-turn
It comes after anger over "VIP testing" allowing them to work following Sajid Javid's positive test.www.bbc.co.uk
HeartOfTeFiti
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I love this!
LittleBuford
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Sorry to keep being autobiographical about this, but since I’m not an expert, the only things I can share that aren’t copied and pasted are my own experiences.
Back when my dad was on a ventilator, someone here (with a medical background, if I’m not mistaken) posted that being on a ventilator was “practically a death sentence”, adding, “Some people do live through being ventilated and recover but it takes a miracle.” Actually, the survival rate is just over 50%—not great, to be sure, but certainly well above the “miracle” threshold. My dad is among those who survived long-term ventilation (in fact, he owes his life to it), and he is today going from strength to strength.
The point I’m trying to make is that risks have to be put into perspective. When we convinced my dad to be intubated (he wasn’t in his right mind at the time and kept refusing), we knew the ventilator brought its own dangers, but we also knew that he would die without it. A 50% chance of survival is much better than 0%. We clearly made the right calculation.
I realise that the choice to get or forego the vaccine isn’t quite so stark, but for those on the fence, please ignore the doomsayers here and elsewhere, listen to your doctors, and take the safer option, which in almost all cases is the vaccine.
Back when my dad was on a ventilator, someone here (with a medical background, if I’m not mistaken) posted that being on a ventilator was “practically a death sentence”, adding, “Some people do live through being ventilated and recover but it takes a miracle.” Actually, the survival rate is just over 50%—not great, to be sure, but certainly well above the “miracle” threshold. My dad is among those who survived long-term ventilation (in fact, he owes his life to it), and he is today going from strength to strength.
The point I’m trying to make is that risks have to be put into perspective. When we convinced my dad to be intubated (he wasn’t in his right mind at the time and kept refusing), we knew the ventilator brought its own dangers, but we also knew that he would die without it. A 50% chance of survival is much better than 0%. We clearly made the right calculation.
I realise that the choice to get or forego the vaccine isn’t quite so stark, but for those on the fence, please ignore the doomsayers here and elsewhere, listen to your doctors, and take the safer option, which in almost all cases is the vaccine.
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Wendy Pleakley
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Of course people should be aware of them. One should always have all the info when undertaking a medical procedure.
When I got vaccinated I was given an info sheet to read with the potential risks.
Being informed is good. The trouble is, the risks are often presented in a one-sided way. The risks from vaccines are far less than the risks from catching COVID. The risk of blood clots from a vaccine is far less that from other medications people take every day.
Any discussion of the side effects should make it abundantly clear that getting vaccinated is the best option.
danlb_2000
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...and pretty much every side effect that has been connected to the vaccines is also a side effect of COVID infection, and probably at a much higher rate then with the vaccine.
So true, it was really great to recreate the Super Bowl ads this February. So Touchdown, now that you’re fully vaccinated what are you doing now? I’m going to Disney World (2 weeks to the day after my second shot
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lazyboy97o
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Except you weren’t. You were conflating a rare side effect with a chronic disease.
AEfx
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I wonder why the people who feel the need to come to this thread every day to keep posting "I"m vaccinated, I'm fully protected, I don't need to worry about COVID" , and habitually come to this thread to remind everyone of this.
The majority of the posts in this thread are basically people trying to convince themselves of what they already believe.
If they really are carefree about this now once you have had that magical shot, they wouldn't feel the need to visit a message board every day to keep talking about it.
The majority of the posts in this thread are basically people trying to convince themselves of what they already believe.
If they really are carefree about this now once you have had that magical shot, they wouldn't feel the need to visit a message board every day to keep talking about it.
Chi84
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Only thing crazier than that is to keep coming back every day to read the stuff.
Sorry - we’ll try to mix it up a bit more.
AEfx
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LOL. I certainly don't come to this thread daily. I check it about once a week or so when I am here for actual Disney news, and when I scroll back through...I see the same posts by the same people over and over. I could almost write them myself beforehand and people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
In any case, I am very concerned about COVID. It's the people that swear that they aren't, yet still come here daily to post about it, that frankly - I just don't believe. Because if they felt "fully protected" and think everyone just needs to "move on" - well, they would. But they can't.
ImperfectPixie
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I'm very concerned. Yes, 3 out of the 4 of us are vaccinated...but I'm praying that Delta doesn't explode before my youngest is able to be vaccinated and that the CDC changes their mask recommendations to reflect Delta and it's tendency to target the young.
ETA: I'm also not foolish enough to think the vaccine acts as a force field and just told my husband the other day that I expect him to be vigilant about COVID safety while he's at work.
hopemax
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Maybe, you missed my post from not that long ago where I explained why I am here.
Humans have never been able to witness a natural science event and the corresponding sociological impact like this with so much observational and data collection available in real time. For science, process geeks like me it’s fascinating. With the philosophical angle: What do humans really know?
Chi84
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They may still be affected. There are vaccinated people who feel fully protected and are ready to move on but may not be able to if governments start reimposing restrictions. According to the CDC, that’s likely to occur only on local levels in areas with low vaccination rates, but many vaccinated people could be subject to those restrictions.
LittleBuford
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None of us has witnessed anything like this pandemic. It’s not surprising to me that people (even those who feel personally protected) would want to participate in a thread that allows us, in real time, to grapple with all that’s going on around us. I for one find it cathartic, and I doubt I’m alone.
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