Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

I know that. I was just asking because we used to hear about possible treatments and haven't heard anything in quite a while.

They tried many pre-existing antivirals early in the pandemic, but none really worked. Many pinned their hopes on remdesivir, but it didn't hold up. The only success has been with monoclonal antibodies in preventing serious infections, and standard sepsis protocols plus corticosteroids in preventing death in those who are critically ill.

 

[Lilofan]

I would totally be down for some wine after I take the Pfizer shot.

I know there are both arguments to get the shot ( YES!,) and not get the shot.. Regarding wine, get it before your shot so your nerves can be calmer. The ones who are not getting the shot are being admitted into hospital ERs in waves overcrowding hospitals beyond belief ( I've seen it with my own eyes ). If your husband brings covid home to you and your children and you still have not gotten the shot, that would be drastic. Good luck to you and yes mask up anywhere you go. I had 24 hour rough side effects from my second shot of Moderna but I prefer that to dying from Covid.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Let's make a deal. I won't tell you that you have to take the vaccine if you don't want to but you don't tell me (who was fully vaccinated as of 4/22) to wear an annoying mask to protect you who has elected not to protect yourself. Let's add that you will stop demanding that the State government implement things to protect you at the expense of others. YOU are being the biggest part of the problem. Not me and not Ron Desantis.

Bit harsh dude for someone that’s trying to work things out in their head. Thinking it might be more helpful getting people to understand there is no risk to the shot rather then “ you do this but don’t tell me” mentality. We will never get to the point we all want to be without encouragement and less confrontation.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Thank you. What a kind answer. Although there was a child who died in his sleep recently after his second shot due to heart inflammation it caused… that’s where that fear came from.

I know the vaccine is the answer. I just need to do it.

Unfortunately, that child had a long-term heart issue in order for his heart to be enlarged as it was.

I totally understand being freaked out. My 15-year-old had already had his 1st jab (but not his 2nd) when the information about heart inflammation in teen boys came out. I went into panic mode because heart issues run on both sides of our family. Then I reminded myself that he's very healthy and that the likelihood of him suffering ill effects were almost zero. He got his 2nd jab over a month ago - his only complaint was that his arm was sore.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Unfortunately, that child had a long-term heart issue in order for his heart to be enlarged as it was.

We don’t know that his death wasn’t related to the vaccine yet do we?

 

[Lilofan]

Let's make a deal. I won't tell you that you have to take the vaccine if you don't want to but you don't tell me (who was fully vaccinated as of 4/22) to wear an annoying mask to protect you who has elected not to protect yourself. Let's add that you will stop demanding that the State government implement things to protect you at the expense of others. YOU are being the biggest part of the problem. Not me and not Ron Desantis.

I would not have said it in those terms but I fully agree with you. And - Protect yourself and others that you love by getting the vaccine!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

We don’t know that his death wasn’t related to the vaccine yet do we?

An enlarged heart is the effect of many years of having to "overwork" to do it's job...I'm no doctor, but from what I know of this condition, my guess would be that he had heart issues since birth that were undiagnosed.

Could the vaccine have been the "one thing" that pushed his heart too far? It's possible...but with an enlarged heart, MANY things could have been that "one thing".

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

An enlarged heart is the effect of many years of having to "overwork" to do it's job...I'm no doctor, but from what I know of this condition, my guess would be that he had heart issues since birth that were undiagnosed.

Could the vaccine have been the "one thing" that pushed his heart too far? It's possible...but with an enlarged heart, MANY things could have been that "one thing".

I thought the “enlarged heart” was just a quote from an article? Not a fact.

Sorry I may have missed some updates about that story.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I thought the “enlarged heart” was just a quote from an article? Not a fact.

Sorry I may have missed some updates about that story.

The article quoted a medical professional as saying that the boy passed away with an enlarged heart, but that the official cause of death had not been determined yet.

So, that he had an enlarged heart is a fact, but we don't yet know whether that was the cause of death or how much it may have contributed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

An enlarged heart is the effect of many years of having to "overwork" to do it's job...I'm no doctor, but from what I know of this condition, my guess would be that he had heart issues since birth that were undiagnosed.

Could the vaccine have been the "one thing" that pushed his heart too far? It's possible...but with an enlarged heart, MANY things could have been that "one thing".

Sort of like the four year old who died after riding Mission: SPACE. The doctor who performed the autopsy stated his heart was so weak that the shock of a balloon popping could have killed him. The ride pushed him over the edge but so could many other everyday activities.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The article quoted a medical professional as saying that the boy passed away with an enlarged heart, but that the official cause of death had not been determined yet.

I don’t remember seeing any quotes from medical professionals but again I may have missed an update.

It certainly sounded like it COULD be myocarditis / pericarditis and the timing (soon after the second shot) is consistent with other cases.

I’m not saying it was, I’m just not saying it wasn’t until we hear something official.

“Two conditions were linked to the vaccines - inflammation of the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, and inflammation of the fluid-filled sac the heart sits in, known as pericarditis.”

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I don’t remember seeing any quotes from medical professionals but again I may have missed an update.

It certainly sounded like it COULD be myocarditis / pericarditis and the timing (soon after the second shot) is consistent with other cases.

I’m not saying it was, I’m just not saying it wasn’t until we hear something official.

“Two conditions were linked to the vaccines - inflammation of the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, and inflammation of the fluid-filled sac the heart sits in, known as pericarditis.”

The quotes from the medical professional didn't include either of those conditions. I'm not saying it's not possible, but that the medical professional didn't mention them, to me, means something.

 

[DisneyCane]

Bit harsh dude for someone that’s trying to work things out in their head. Thinking it might be more helpful getting people to understand there is no risk to the shot rather then “ you do this but don’t tell me” mentality. We will never get to the point we all want to be without encouragement and less confrontation.

I've taken that approach for months. I've tried encouraging and pointing out how effective and safe the vaccines are. I'm tired of people wanting to dictate what I should do when I've already done the most effective thing and they haven't. Maybe a little harsh but I'm frustrated.

We've never had a measles, mumps, or rubella pandemic, though. Of the three, only measles has a significant mortality associated with it, and even this is orders of magnitude less than COVID.

The fact that vaccine passports were ruled out before even receiving serious discussion was a complete failure of government to lead from the front, rather than cowering from behind the worst tendencies of the electorate.

Without derailing into political discussion, elected officials are elected to represent the electorate which put them in office. Some politicians believe in implementing the desires of the electorate and some politicians believe that they know better, the electorate is incapable of making their own decisions and that they should do "what's best" like dealing with a child. We don't know how much discussion there was behind the scenes.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The quotes from the medical professional didn't include either of those conditions. I'm not saying it's not possible, but that the medical professional didn't mention them, to me, means something.

the articles I’m seeing said the boys aunt said the autopsy showed an enlarged heart and fluid and even that’s not in quotes in the article.

I’ve yet to find any quotes from medical professionals.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don’t remember seeing any quotes from medical professionals but again I may have missed an update.

It certainly sounded like it COULD be myocarditis / pericarditis and the timing (soon after the second shot) is consistent with other cases.

I’m not saying it was, I’m just not saying it wasn’t until we hear something official.

“Two conditions were linked to the vaccines - inflammation of the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, and inflammation of the fluid-filled sac the heart sits in, known as pericarditis.”

Inflamed and enlarged are different conditions

 

[ImperfectPixie]

the articles I’m seeing said the boys aunt said the autopsy showed an enlarged heart and fluid and even that’s not in quotes in the article.

I’ve yet to find any quotes from medical professionals.

I could be mis-remembering. We did have discussion here about whether "enlarged" and "inflammation" meant the same thing - they are not. We also talked briefly about fluid around the heart...my step-dad has this from time-to-time, and I seem to remember that basically being a part of heart failure.

Then where did the "official cause of death not yet determined" part come from if not from a medical professional?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Unfortunately, that child had a long-term heart issue in order for his heart to be enlarged as it was.

I totally understand being freaked out. My 15-year-old had already had his 1st jab (but not his 2nd) when the information about heart inflammation in teen boys came out. I went into panic mode because heart issues run on both sides of our family. Then I reminded myself that he's very healthy and that the likelihood of him suffering ill effects were almost zero. He got his 2nd jab over a month ago - his only complaint was that his arm was sore.

Folks must make the best guess for themselves and their kids. Folks who think the vaccine is 100 percent safe or 100 percent dangerous are fooling themselves.

All we can do it gather all the information for ourselves and make our best guess and hope it’s the right one based on the information we gathered.

 

[HeartOfTeFiti]

Everybody has a viable option for protection. If they don't do it it is what it is. What really stinks about the whole thing is the kids, but luckily their hospitalization and death rates are exceedingly low still.

My bolded x1000. This makes me so sad I want to cry. I'm getting really worried that there's seemingly a decrease in interest to get the children under 12 vaccinated at all.

 

[hopemax]

Right now, the anxiety I would go through after getting jabbed is not worth it for me… I prefer masks currently.

soooo I stay home

How much anxiety does your DH feel from worrying he will bring COVID home to you?

How much anxiety will you feel when you get COVID, wondering if you will be the one with an adverse reaction?

How much guilt will your family members feel when you get COVID wondering who brought it home?

If you have a bad case, how much anxiety will your family feel wondering if you will recover and how long it will take?

How much anxiety will you feel if you get long-COVID? Your DH who would have to care for you, your kids that would have to help?

You see, you aren't avoiding anxiety by not getting the shot. Only delaying anxiety; and transferring anxiety onto someone in your family. Delaying for you. Both for your DH, your kids. Your friends and family who are missing you.

Plus, the anxiety they could end up experiencing could be far worse. Because you could be the one that is sedated and feeling no anxiety at all, while they wonder what will happen to Mom.

If your anxiety is so bad that you would rather everyone else around you feel anxiety, for an undetermined amount of time, and potentially far worse depending on the outcome, then you need a professional therapist. And I say that with all the empathy in the world, because I bet this is not the only thing you are feeling anxiety about in your life. Its preventing you, your DH and your kids from living your best lives.

If you get the shot, how long do you really think you will feel anxious? 1-3 days, like the rest of us wondering if we're going to have something more than sore arm? 6 weeks, because that's what the maximum time for vax related symptoms to appear? Somewhere in between? Either way, it comes with an expiration date. Not the undetermined amount you've chosen for your family. I'm sure everyone says they're fine, because they want Mom to be fine. They're not. All of your family is missing something, and your choice means they have to miss it longer. Talk to them honestly about what they miss and how missing it makes them feel. Don't settle for the answer "it's fine." You're a Mom, you know there's something else there.

And don't let your inside voice say, "You aren't going to get COVID." You will. Maybe not Delta, but this winter, or next winter, or the winter after that. Are you going to stay at home that long? You really think doing that isn't causing anxiety to someone that you love?

So the anxiety you say "isn't worth it." I guarantee you it is, but you, your DH and kids won't be able to see how much it was worth it until you get to the other side.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

My bolded x1000. This makes me so sad I want to cry. I'm getting really worried that there's seemingly a decrease in interest to get the children under 12 vaccinated at all.

It's infuriating. All the anti-vaxx stuff that has infiltrated people's thinking about vaccines in general. My 10-year-old has been asking about when it's his turn since March, when my husband and I got our first shots.