Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

How is one small town doctor's patient list representative of anything? It's not. It's anecdotal at best.

I also serve on a committee that evaluates local, regional, state, national and international trends. So, its not just anecdotal.

Get the vaccine, and stop making excuses for those who refuse.

 

[Figgy1]

I didn't think this thread had any more surprises to offer up, but now I can add Long Covid denialism to the list.

The mind boggles and the heart sinks.

Sending many many many {{HUGS}} my friend. How is your father doing with his recovery?

 

[Lilofan]

I believe you just answered why every 20 or 30 year old should get vaccinated now. They're not going to be 20 or 30 forever.

Soon those 30 year olds will be 40 year olds. Then 50 year olds and on to 60 year olds. There's only 1 alternative to this progression and it's not great.

So, get the vaccine now, when it's available everywhere, completely free, and help to eliminate the spread. Plus, you get a cool sticker.

Or, don't. Let COVID linger and continue to percolate through the population. You'll get it eventually. Some new variant that's taken over by the time you get it. Bonus, if you manage to avoid it long enough you'll no longer be in the 20-30 year old range. Instead you'll be in a much riskier range.

Wait long enough, assuming you remember that you're ageing out of invincible, and it's not going to be free anymore. May come with a health insurance penalty. It's probably a guarantee that it'll come with a life insurance penalty. That life insurance may not matter to the 20 year old, but as they age and have kids it's going to become important.

So, get vaccinated. All the 20 year olds will not be young and invincible forever and you're going to want it before that happens. No sense waiting.

No altruism required here. Completely self interest reasons.

Royal Caribbean cruise line is providing a solution for passengers unable to show proof of vaccination. These passengers need to purchase a Royal Caribbean covid test prior to boarding. Plan on that extra expense on their budget.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yeah Tennessee is crazy! I was just reading about how they fired the covid Director because she quoted a state law that was made 30+ years ago that teenagers can seek medical care without parents approval.

They also have the distinction of having the largest jump in new covid cases during the week ending 7/11/21... 250%. Fortunately, that only equals 2,345 new cases for that week, but that should give everyone an idea of how quickly things can get way out of control.

 

[LaughingGravy]

The people you know should consider themselves VERY lucky.

Yes. We lost two next door neighbors, the cleaning lady in our office and a former HS Spanish teacher to this and I really keep a pretty small circle of people I know.

 

[Disney Experience]

In other news, I was just called today about a booster study. It is totally optional to do it, but since I gave my arm twice, I'm glad to do it again. If I go in next week, I will share what they expect and what types of things they are testing.

ETA: likely for Delta variant and not just a regular booster from what I read. I will be transparent once I know the details of course (as always)

I get a feeling I won’t be asked to participate in that study, since I recently got my booster the hard way.lol

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The talk of stimulus payments brings up the concern that people could be holding out on getting vaccinated until some new form of bribe comes along.

Have these carrots even worked thus far?

Paying off everyone to get vaccinated sounds nice in theory, but as has been pointed out, money doesn't grow on trees.

The opposite approach, reward vaccinated people with reduced restrictions has of course gone by the wayside as everything is optional or the honour system now.

As much as I want to see everyone get vaccinated and was concerned the rules were being loosened too soon, I get why people are of the mindset that "I'm vaccinated so the people that choose not to are on their own risk wise". Incentives don't work. Many governments have made it clear they won't impose any restrictions for the un-vaccinated.

 

[Lilofan]

I have a suggestion.

$1500 stimulus per vaccinated adult.

$2000 scholarship per vaccinated child.

Must be vaccinated by the end of August to be eligible.

FL ceased daily reporting as of June 4. On June 4 , Orange County FL which includes Orlando had a 50.69% vaccination rate. Provide proof of vaccine to enter the annual ever popular Universal 's Halloween Horror Nights and look at those Orange County 's percentages being vaccinated skyrocket.

 

[correcaminos]

I get a feeling I won’t be asked to participate in that study, since I recently got my booster the hard way.lol

They asked a whole bunch of questions and one of which was if you ever had covid, so maybe, but that wasn't a disqualification before either. They were just doing a pre-screening today so you might get a call but I'm unsure what questions with yes would disqualify.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I don't want go back indoor masks now....

 

[danlb_2000]

But I think that's the main point I'm trying to drill down here. Long COVID or not - the effects in healthy 20, 30 year olds is not all that apparent to most people. You can point to study after study all you want but most 20 or 30 year olds have friends who got COVID and are fine, for example. So screaming to them about the urgency to get the shot to protect themselves is more likely to make them not get it. Their experience, their knowledge of the virus doesn't translate to what is in those studies. So when you sound the alarm to them, as many are here, they look at you like you're crazy.

Open and honest conversations are more likely to garner participation.

"If you got it you'd be fine but there's a decent chance you'd lose your sense of smell and sometimes lingering brain fog and stuff can occur. Just get vaccinated and then you don't have to think about it"

Fear mongering pushes people away.

I am surprised any man in his 20's and 30's still hasn't gotten the vaccine because....

COVID-19 and lasting erectile dysfunction: Here's what we know

There are several possible reasons why COVID-19 can impair male sexual health, health experts say.

www.latimes.com

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don't want go back indoor masks now....

That’s your concern after seeing that photo?

 

[Zummi Gummi]

In other news, I was just called today about a booster study. It is totally optional to do it, but since I gave my arm twice, I'm glad to do it again. If I go in next week, I will share what they expect and what types of things they are testing.

ETA: likely for Delta variant and not just a regular booster from what I read. I will be transparent once I know the details of course (as always)

Were you in a Pfizer or Moderna study? I am in the Pfizer study (received the placebo in July, got the real thing in January) and haven’t received a call yet. I wonder if I will.

 

[Lilofan]

The talk of stimulus payments brings up the concern that people could be holding out on getting vaccinated until some new form of bribe comes along.

Have these carrots even worked thus far?

Paying off everyone to get vaccinated sounds nice in theory, but as has been pointed out, money doesn't grow on trees.

The opposite approach, reward vaccinated people with reduced restrictions has of course gone by the wayside as everything is optional or the honour system now.

As much as I want to see everyone get vaccinated and was concerned the rules were being loosened too soon, I get why people are of the mindset that "I'm vaccinated so the people that choose not to are on their own risk wise". Incentives don't work. Many governments have made it clear they won't impose any restrictions for the un-vaccinated.

Unvaccinated passengers on Carnival need to better find more money to add to their cruise expenses. Carnival now requires unvaccinated passengers to purchase travel insurance prior to boarding and must pay $150 per person to get a Carnival covid test prior to boarding, following after Royal Carribean's footsteps.

The reward of vaccinated passengers - excemption.

It will be curious to see how Disney Cruise Line is going to address unvaccinated passengers taking future cruises.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Unvaccinated passengers on Carnival need to better find more money to add to their cruise expenses. Carnival now requires unvaccinated passengers to purchase travel insurance prior to boarding and must pay $150 per person to get a Carnival covid test prior to boarding, following after Royal Carribean's footsteps.

The reward of vaccinated passengers - excemption.

It will be curious to see how Disney Cruise Line is going to address unvaccinated passengers talking future cruises.

Didn't the government of Florida successfully sue to prevent cruise ships from having anything other than guidelines for vaccinations and/or safety protocols?

 

[Willmark]

The responses here are (if representative of the US) nothing short of fascinating on all sides.

 

[Lilofan]

Didn't the government of Florida successfully sue to prevent cruise ships from having anything other than guidelines for vaccinations and/or safety protocols?

Carnival and RC policies, their companies , their rules . Mandatory travel insurance and $150 Carnival covid test for the unvaccinated sure looks like safety top of mind. Carnival unvaccinated passengers that don't comply will be denied boarding and no cruise refund given.

 

[LittleBuford]

Sending many many many {{HUGS}} my friend. How is your father doing with his recovery?

Thank you, Figgy. He continues to make good progress in his recovery. Interestingly in light of today’s discussion, he’s going to a specialist Long Covid clinic this week.

I hope you and your loved ones are doing well!

 

[Angel Ariel]

Long COVID is vastly overblown, sorry. It's the final argument that people offer when you tell them a cohort isn't at risk of hospitalization or death from COVID. "Well what about LONG COVID?"

Largely, these people are losing their sense of smell. That's most of long COVID. It stinks and yeah they should get vaccinated to prevent it. But I can't argue for widespread masks, shut downs, distancing, restrictions to keep stubborn people from not being able to smell.

Largely loss of smell? Those I personally know with long term Covid - again, previously healthy people in their 30s no preexisting conditions - have had long term impacts to their breathing and hearts. It certainly isn’t just smell.

 

[LittleBuford]

The loss of smell and/or taste is itself a life-altering symptom that everyone, young and old, should be keen to avoid.