Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

There are a lot of us "60 million+" that do believe the virus is a big deal and do our best to protect ourselves and everyone around us. We're not all the same, despite what you see on cable news.

Let’s hope so. We are all in this together and I hope people can put their political disappointment aside and do what needs to be done, including getting vaccinated if/when a safe and effective vaccine is approved.

 

[sullyinMT]

I hope one of the vaccines pans out. If it does it will take a lot to organize the distribution and it may be right in the middle of the transition between administrations. They should have a joint task force (new and old administrations) to wrk through transition of that responsibility. This is way above some petty political nonsense. I also hope there’s a strong push for people to take the vaccine. It could be a train wreck if Trump decides to rail against the vaccine because he wants to see Biden fail and convinces many people to avoid it. I really hope that doesn’t happen, but it’s a legit fear.

Hopefully the DPHHS "lifers" can sift through the BS sure to occur and individual states can actually get going on this one. In some ways, it may be good that the couple of state "consortiums" could rise above the noise about to occur.

 

[Parker in NYC]

There are a lot of us "60 million+" that do believe the virus is a big deal and do our best to protect ourselves and everyone around us. We're not all the same, despite what you see on cable news.

Then your voices should be louder and you should call out others. If you have, good -- but I certainly don't think it's been loud enough.

 

[GoofGoof]

Hopefully the DPHHS "lifers" can sift through the BS sure to occur and individual states can actually get going on this one. In some ways, it may be good that the couple of state "consortiums" could rise above the noise about to occur.

Agreed. States will do the heavy lifting but someone needs to ”supervise” the states and make sure they are all prepared and not fighting each other for supply and other resources.

I think the biggest thing needed will be a nationwide PR campaign to educate people on the safety and effectiveness of a vaccine. Involve athletes, Hollywood celebrities, social media personalities, etc to encourage use.

 

[JFP]

Let’s hope so. We are all in this together and I hope people can put their political disappointment aside and do what needs to be done, including getting vaccinated if/when a safe and effective vaccine is approved.

Yeah, we tried wishing it away....I wish That would have worked

The US response was unbalanced. The mask thing being a good example. The current (soon to be past) administration and specifically POTUS came our strong against masks. That tone is very counterproductive to something you list as one of the many things the US did (or tried to do) to fight Covid. The public health experts asked people to avoid large gatherings especially without masks and distancing but the current administration held rallies in violation of all those things. How do we expect people to follow the rules in their personal lives when that example is set from the top? So I can’t have friends and family at a wedding but it’s ok to gather thousands for a rally. Indoor dining is closed some places but bars with not restrictions are open in others, theme parks, schools, etc... All these things should have had a more National push to have some standardized recommendations. Instead the administration fought science and argued with their own task force.

I hope one of the vaccines pans out. If it does it will take a lot to organize the distribution and it may be right in the middle of the transition between administrations. They should have a joint task force (new and old administrations) to wrk through transition of that responsibility. This is way above some petty political nonsense. I also hope there’s a strong push for people to take the vaccine. It could be a train wreck if Trump decides to rail against the vaccine because he wants to see Biden fail and convinces many people to avoid it. I really hope that doesn’t happen, but it’s a legit fear.

I wholeheartedly agree with your pov. I would only add that (in my belief) a lot of the mistrust on the part of those attending political rallies came from the lack of concern over other large gatherings that occurred in early summer. Those events weren't even a blip on the super spreader radar. I am not choosing a side - peaceful protesting is a right and they were outside (and for reasons that some in the medical field say were a larger threat to public health than the virus). But I can certainly understand the feeling that a double standard was in play.

 

[JFP]

Then your voices should be louder and you should call out others. If you have, good -- but I certainly don't think it's been loud enough.

I'm sorry, but that's not who I am. I don't call out, I do what I should responsibly do.

 

[sullyinMT]

Agreed. States will do the heavy lifting but someone needs to ”supervise” the states and make sure they are all prepared and not fighting each other for supply and other resources.

I think the biggest thing needed will be a nationwide PR campaign to educate people on the safety and effectiveness of a vaccine. Involve athletes, Hollywood celebrities, social media personalities, etc to encourage use.

I found it interesting that Pfizer has already told the federal government, in essence, to shove it. They'll handle distribution. Sure, they're a for profit corp, but in the sake of PR I don't think they'll play politics with it as much as oversee that their product gets to the right hands in a timely manner. Hopefully McKesson and Moderna can do the same thing. J&J and AZ/Oxford don't seem to have the storage issues.

Assuming ANY of these pan out.

 

[hopemax]

Joe told us he was going to fix it, he promised 100 percent. Joe can’t fix it? Say it ain’t so Joe!

That's not a timeline. I asked for a timeline. How long do you think it will take, to expect that changes in administration, changes in directives, to have a quantifiable impact on COVID spread? How about if 1/3 to 1/2 the country is "opting out?"

 

[sullyinMT]

I'm sorry, but that's not who I am. I don't call out, I do what I should responsibly do.

Normally I'm with you here. But I've found myself much less silent when it comes to this issue in particular, whatever my other affiliations and feelings may be. We haven't done basic things to protect our fellow man, and it's been sad to watch.

 

[SamusAranX]

Anyone trusting ANY politician at this point, and I don’t just mean to “fix” covid, should be considered clinically insane

 

[GoofGoof]

I wholeheartedly agree with your pov. I would only add that (in my belief) a lot of the mistrust on the part of those attending political rallies came from the lack of concern over other large gatherings that occurred in early summer. Those events weren't even a blip on the super spreader radar. I am not choosing a side - peaceful protesting is a right and they were outside (and for reasons that some in the medical field say were a larger threat to public health than the virus). But I can certainly understand the feeling that a double standard was in play.

Nobody was advocating that protest rallies were a good idea. In the news coverage at the time many health experts expressed concern if many people took to the streets in large numbers. At all levels of government there was also a big push for masks and other measures. I remember seeing the mayor of Philadelphia on local TV pleading that if people did protest to wear a mask. In NY they asked people to hold up signs instead of yelling or chanting. Stuff like that. It wasn‘t perfect, but the number of people acting responsibly (from a Covid perspective) was much, much greater at those events. That doesn’t even get into the justifications for being there to begin with. The reason for the protests vs the reason to attend a rally.

 

[GoofGoof]

Anyone trusting ANY politician at this point, and I don’t just mean to “fix” covid, should be considered clinically insane

I don’t really trust any of them. It amazes me how many people blindly cling to these guys and think they actually care about them or their problems.

As far as Covid, the Politicians should get out of the way and let the experts call the shots. Their role is to set the tone from the top and support the experts they hire.

 

[JFP]

Nobody was advocating that protest rallies were a good idea. In the news coverage at the time many health experts expressed concern if many people took to the streets in large numbers. At all levels of government there was also a big push for masks and other measures. I remember seeing the mayor of Philadelphia on local TV pleading that if people did protest to wear a mask. In NY they asked people to hold up signs instead of yelling or chanting. Stuff like that. It wasn‘t perfect, but the number of people acting responsibly (from a Covid perspective) was much, much greater at those events. That doesn’t even get into the justifications for being there to begin with. The reason for the protests vs the reason to attend a rally.

And I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply meant that I can see why there's mistrust - whether justified or not.

Nobody was advocating that protest rallies were a good idea. In the news coverage at the time many health experts expressed concern if many people took to the streets in large numbers. At all levels of government there was also a big push for masks and other measures. I remember seeing the mayor of Philadelphia on local TV pleading that if people did protest to wear a mask. In NY they asked people to hold up signs instead of yelling or chanting. Stuff like that. It wasn‘t perfect, but the number of people acting responsibly (from a Covid perspective) was much, much greater at those events. That doesn’t even get into the justifications for being there to begin with. The reason for the protests vs the reason to attend a rally.

 

[GoofGoof]

And I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply meant that I can see why there's mistrust - whether justified or not.

I agree. I’ve heard a lot of people use that excuse. Even here back in June people were questioning why WDW was closed but protests were allowed.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Agreed. States will do the heavy lifting but someone needs to ”supervise” the states and make sure they are all prepared and not fighting each other for supply and other resources.

This was a big complaint I heard from folks in hospitals in the beginning. There was not a coordinated approach to providing access to PPE and other equipment.

And many still don't have enough PPE, for what it's worth. One of my kids needed a Covid test recently. The person doing the test didn't have an N95. Can you imagine how scary it must be to be dealing with potentially positive people all day without adequate protection?

 

[danlb_2000]

"Disney has rolled out new signage at many attraction entrances banning eating and drinking in the indoor portions of queues. As seen below, guests are reminded via a trash can sign that they are not allowed to eat or drink “beyond this point” when in attraction queues."

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I also heard this as part of the announcement spiel now.

 

[hopemax]

I don’t really trust any of them. It amazes me how many people blindly cling to these guys and think they actually care about them or their problems.

As far as Covid, the Politicians should get out of the way and let the experts call the shots. Their role is to set the tone from the top and support the experts they hire.

Honestly, this infuriates me. But it explains a heck of a lot about how America fails to function. Public servants are just like any other profession. Some people are in it for the money and glory, some people because they actually believe they can make a difference. Some people are good at their chosen profession, and others are pretty crappy. And some of the crappy have even managed to convince their co-workers and superiors that they are somehow good at it while a subset knows they are useless. I'm sure wherever you work, there's that person that always gets unwarranted accolades when you know they're just a hack. But when people boil it all down to everyone is the same, it isn't a sign of some sort of enlightenment; it's lazy. You aren't the same as your crappy co-worker even if you are doing the same job, and you would hate anyone on the outside, classifying you that way. Like I said before, people are going to have to learn on their own that they've been sold a bill a goods for the advancement of someone else's benefit. And there is a lot of benefit to a few, in having everyone believe that politicians are all the same, and none of them care about the greater good.

If the experts look at this pandemic, and decide they need more people like them in decision making positions. If they decide to run for public office so the next time something like this happens better policy decisions can be made, are you going to look at the expert turned politician and decide that they no longer have the same interest in the common good that they did when they were just an expert? That's how many politicians get into it in the first place. They decided their best chance at making a difference was to, "be in the room where it happens." And then people crucify them for being in the room or wanting to be in the room.

 

[danlb_2000]

As far as Covid, the Politicians should get out of the way and let the experts call the shots. Their role is to set the tone from the top and support the experts they hire.

I don't entirely agree with this. Yes, what the experts say from a medical perspective is important, but there is also the economic impact that they are not experts on. This is were leadership comes into a play. The president needs to listed to all the experts, medical, economical, etc. and then approve measures that strike a balance between these things

 

[GoofGoof]

I don't entirely agree with this. Yes, what the experts say from a medical perspective is important, but there is also the economic impact that they are not experts on. This is were leadership comes into a play. The president needs to listed to all the experts, medical, economical, etc. and then approve measures that strike a balance between these things

I didn’t say just medical experts.

 

[danlb_2000]

I didn’t say just medical experts.

My point still stands. Medical experts are going to lean towards keeping things more locked down, economic experts are going to lean to keeping more things open, someone needs to balance those two side.