Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

I don't entirely agree with this. Yes, what the experts say from a medical perspective is important, but there is also the economic impact that they are not experts on. This is were leadership comes into a play. The president needs to listed to all the experts, medical, economical, etc. and then approve measures that strike a balance between these things

Excellent observation. This is what political leaders at all levels should be doing, and many of them are making these types of balanced decisions. I've watched the political leaders in my city and state struggle to the best of their ability against the daunting odds created by this virus. Writing off all politicians as untrustworthy is lazy, for the reasons @hopemax set out.

 

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"Disney has rolled out new signage at many attraction entrances banning eating and drinking in the indoor portions of queues. As seen below, guests are reminded via a trash can sign that they are not allowed to eat or drink “beyond this point” when in attraction queues."

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Are they gunna sell a salt and pepper shaker of this trash can? I need to collect them all!!!!

 

[GoofGoof]

My point still stands. Medical experts are going to lean towards keeping things more locked down, economic experts are going to lean to keeping more things open, someone needs to balance those two side.

That’s my point. There are plenty of public health issues that have nothing to do with economics. You are thinking about lockdowns but I’m talking about all aspects of the response. There are many things that can and should have been done that have no real economic impact. On the economic side having things like stimulus bills, extensions to unemployment benefits, tax breaks, etc have no negative impact to public health. A good leader relies on their experts to guide their decisions.

 

[GoofGoof]

Honestly, this infuriates me. But it explains a heck of a lot about how America fails to function. Public servants are just like any other profession. Some people are in it for the money and glory, some people because they actually believe they can make a difference. Some people are good at their chosen profession, and others are pretty crappy. And some of the crappy have even managed to convince their co-workers and superiors that they are somehow good at it while a subset knows they are useless. I'm sure wherever you work, there's that person that always gets unwarranted accolades when you know they're just a hack. But when people boil it all down to everyone is the same, it isn't a sign of some sort of enlightenment; it's lazy. You aren't the same as your crappy co-worker even if you are doing the same job, and you would hate anyone on the outside, classifying you that way. Like I said before, people are going to have to learn on their own that they've been sold a bill a goods for the advancement of someone else's benefit. And there is a lot of benefit to a few, in having everyone believe that politicians are all the same, and none of them care about the greater good.

If the experts look at this pandemic, and decide they need more people like them in decision making positions. If they decide to run for public office so the next time something like this happens better policy decisions can be made, are you going to look at the expert turned politician and decide that they no longer have the same interest in the common good that they did when they were just an expert? That's how many politicians get into it in the first place. They decided their best chance at making a difference was to, "be in the room where it happens." And then people crucify them for being in the room or wanting to be in the room.

I don’t disagree. Public servants are just like any other profession, there are good people and not so good. I just don’t get the almost religious dedication to some of them, but to each their own. If that makes me lazy and unenlightened, so be it. I’ve been called worse

 

[mmascari]

That's not a timeline. I asked for a timeline. How long do you think it will take, to expect that changes in administration, changes in directives, to have a quantifiable impact on COVID spread? How about if 1/3 to 1/2 the country is "opting out?"

There's no way to give a timeline now. What the problem will look like late in January depends significantly on what happens between now and then.

I worry that by January, almost an entire year after the start, that it may not be possible to change. The challenges created by COVID and the actions required to alter them have been different every month since last year. Actions taken prior to now compounding and changing the scope of the problem.

I think we'll still be able to create policies to improve things. But, we'll never get back the past time and the scope of the problem may never be able to return to the start.

My point still stands. Medical experts are going to lean towards keeping things more locked down, economic experts are going to lean to keeping more things open, someone needs to balance those two side.

That's a false comparison. Medical and economic experts will have different techniques and polices they recommend. But, they'll both be focused on the same goal. Reducing community spread and containing the virus. There's no economic benefit to ignoring that goal and trying to have economic activity as if there was no virus.

 

[hopemax]

I don’t disagree. Public servants are just like any other profession, there are good people and not so good. I just don’t get the almost religious dedication to some of them, but to each their own. If that makes me lazy and unenlightened, so be it. I’ve been called worse

Yes, to some of them too. The aforementioned hacks. But you said "you don't trust any of them," and I took you at your word. In my state we just elected a woman who believes in QAnon, and she will not be the only QAnon believer going to the House. And to know that people are out there believing that there is no meaningful difference between them and someone like Katie Porter, because that's what is implied. There IS a difference, and if we can't recognize it, we all lose.

 

[hopemax]

There's no way to give a timeline now. What the problem will look like late in January depends significantly on what happens between now and then.

I worry that by January, almost an entire year after the start, that it may not be possible to change. The challenges created by COVID and the actions required to alter them have been different every month since last year. Actions taken prior to now compounding and changing the scope of the problem.

I think we'll still be able to create policies to improve things. But, we'll never get back the past time and the scope of the problem may never be able to return to the start.

Completely missing the point. The GOP *has* a timeline on when they plan starting on blaming Biden for not fixing it. One that the conservative media and followers will completely hop on that bandwagon. That's the timeline I want to pin down. The rest of us, know the mountain this administration has to climb will be a hard one, but it won't matter because it will all be, "He said he would fix it!"

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes, to some of them too. The aforementioned hacks. But you said "you don't trust any of them," and I took you at your word. In my state we just elected a woman who believes in QAnon, and she will not be the only QAnon believer going to the House. And to know that people are out there believing that there is no meaningful difference between them and someone like Katie Porter, because that's what is implied. There IS a difference, and if we can't recognize it, we all lose.

I agree. When I said I don’t really trust any of them, I meant unilaterally trust whatever they say. I wasn’t trying to imply that they are all evil or all the same. In the current example I think Joe Biden is probably a good person and will generally try to do what he feels is best for the country, but I wouldn’t automatically trust everything he says.

 

[GoofGoof]

Completely missing the point. The GOP *has* a timeline on when they plan starting on blaming Biden for not fixing it. One that the conservative media and followers will completely hop on that bandwagon. That's the timeline I want to pin down. The rest of us, know the mountain this administration has to climb will be a hard one, but it won't matter because it will all be, "He said he would fix it!"

The irony is that unless things go really wrong in the universe, the worldwide Covid pandemic is very likely to end in the next 4 years so technically he will have fixed it

 

[MaryJaneP]

Is having a plan to fix something different or the same as actually fixing something?

Does having a plan guarantee success?

As a related question, is having no plan or a frequently inconsistent plan the same as surrender?

 

[threvester]

Yeah, we tried wishing it away....I wish That would have worked

The US response was unbalanced. The mask thing being a good example. The current (soon to be past) administration and specifically POTUS came our strong against masks. That tone is very counterproductive to something you list as one of the many things the US did (or tried to do) to fight Covid. The public health experts asked people to avoid large gatherings especially without masks and distancing but the current administration held rallies in violation of all those things. How do we expect people to follow the rules in their personal lives when that example is set from the top? So I can’t have friends and family at a wedding but it’s ok to gather thousands for a rally. Indoor dining is closed some places but bars with not restrictions are open in others, theme parks, schools, etc... All these things should have had a more National push to have some standardized recommendations. Instead the administration fought science and argued with their own task force.

I hope one of the vaccines pans out. If it does it will take a lot to organize the distribution and it may be right in the middle of the transition between administrations. They should have a joint task force (new and old administrations) to wrk through transition of that responsibility. This is way above some petty political nonsense. I also hope there’s a strong push for people to take the vaccine. It could be a train wreck if Trump decides to rail against the vaccine because he wants to see Biden fail and convinces many people to avoid it. I really hope that doesn’t happen, but it’s a legit fear.

fauci came out strong saying dont wear a mask...cant put that on trump

 

[JoeCamel]

fauci came out strong saying dont wear a mask...cant put that on trump

Please let that be the last of its kind. Orange guy is too egocentric to cover his face and it transmits to the mindless. Fauci did say that at the start, Trump ran superspreader events in the last few weeks where he mocked masks.
Yes, I can place that squarely as his responsibility that was neglected.

 

[Polkadotdress]

fauci came out strong saying dont wear a mask...cant put that on trump

Just...no.

His statement was based on initial information, when very little was known, and was amended fairly quickly. Whereas the head honcho in the WH kept demonstrating that masks don't need to be worn, therefore communicating that the country did NOT need to. That's on him.

Saying that it is "all Fauci" because of what he initially said, is like not driving through an intersection when the light turns green because previously it was red.

Circumstances change.

Ugh.

 

[GoofGoof]

fauci came out strong saying dont wear a mask...cant put that on trump

Who hired Fauci?

 

[JoeCamel]

Who hired Fauci?

I think Regan? He is part of the health service not hired every four years.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think Regan? He is part of the health service not hired every four years.

For his day job...I meant for the task force.

 

[sullyinMT]

fauci came out strong saying dont wear a mask...cant put that on trump

Nope. The message was that they may or may not help, but that the GP should preserve PPE for frontline workers. Since back in Feb-April supplies of much beyond procedural and N95 masks was nonexistent.
Then textile companies got in the game and supply has now almost exceeded demand in that we can walk in to any retail outlet down to a Flying J and buy some type of cloth face covering. Once that supply even had an inkling of outpacing demand, medical professionals and responsible humans started preaching their necessity in cutting spread.
Even the vilified Dr Redfield sat before congress, held up a mask, and told the American public in no uncertain terms to wear the dang mask.
Captain ReclaimthenationfromthedoctorsI‘vedonemoreforafricanamericansthanLincoln decided to cherry-pick slices in time to redefine his narrative.
Can we move on from this misinformation and do the right thing? Please? I’d like to get on a cruise ship and sip something frozen and fruity before the ships dry rot.

 

[JoeCamel]

For his day job...I meant for the task force.

I think he was drafted

 

[sullyinMT]

For his day job...I meant for the task force.

Trump or Pence.
I’d love to hear a tell all from Pence. He looks like a lost dog in this sometimes if you watch the camera. A terrible position of being at least a little unable to really speak out.
But he’s tried at times to “act presidential” for the cameras and talk sensibly to the American people.

 

[JoeCamel]

Trump or Pence.
I’d love to hear a tell all from Pence. He looks like a lost dog in this sometimes if you watch the camera. A terrible position of being at least a little unable to really speak out.
But he’s tried at times to “act presidential” for the cameras and talk sensibly to the American people.

People I know living in Indiana say not to look too deep in Pence's soul, you may fall into the darkness and never find your way out.