Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TTA94]

Anything is possible. Outside of the Covid safety concerns there is an economic component as well. Those shows are pricey and right now WDW is on a shoe string budget. I was at one point thinking maybe for the holidays if demand shoots up but I don‘t know anymore. I do think the situation with DLR plays a part in the decision too. They are going out of their way to appear as conservative as possible hoping for a good outcome there. Lots of variables make it hard to call.

If any nighttime shows were to come back id expect a shorter version. I still think Epcot Forever should be first to return especially for the holidays to draw guests away from MK. I’m sure MK will be packed.

 

[Polkadotdress]

In regards to yesterday’s executive order it will be interesting to see if Disney makes any changes in the next few weeks. I believe they’ve extended park hours in October so maybe fireworks aren’t far off.
I know a lot of you won’t go until the drop the mask mandate so hopefully that is in the not so distant future.

Just putting this here to remind you that face masks are not a quickly, nor easily “dropped” thing.

Mandatory face masks part of Disney World union deal on COVID-19 safeguards - Theme Park Tribune, theme park news

The agreement includes mandatory face masks for workers and guests at Disney World and paid sick leave for anyone with COVID-19.

www.themeparktribune.com

 

[Chi84]

Just putting this here to remind you that face masks are not a quickly, nor easily “dropped” thing.

Mandatory face masks part of Disney World union deal on COVID-19 safeguards - Theme Park Tribune, theme park news

The agreement includes mandatory face masks for workers and guests at Disney World and paid sick leave for anyone with COVID-19.

www.themeparktribune.com

Maybe not quickly or easily dropped, but surely not permanent either.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Maybe not quickly or easily dropped, but surely not permanent either.

Face masks will hopefully not be permanent anywhere!

However, I think there is some misplaced eagerness over the releasing of the state’s restrictions by the governor.

 

[Parker in NYC]

This is horrible. Truly horrible. I’m angry and going to bed.

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[DisneyCane]

Face masks will hopefully not be permanent anywhere!

However, I think there is some misplaced eagerness over the releasing of the state’s restrictions by the governor.

Nothing stops a business from requiring whatever they want or having protocols. I believe local governments can still have mask mandates, they just can't fine individuals for violating the mandates but I'm pretty sure they can still fine businesses.

They can't do what Broward did and hold people responsible for enforcing mask mandates in private residences.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe not quickly or easily dropped, but surely not permanent either.

Nobody said it was permanent. But all unions have to agree that it is safe.

 

[The Mom]

Interestingly, the maskless person I saw in Publix was a millennial - with his young maskless child. Didn't care about the mask wearing (although a few incorrectly) boomers - or anyone else - all around him in the store.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It's not personally something that concerns me. I have no WDW plans at this time, but if I do decide to go back over the next year the restrictions or lack of restrictions won't affect my enjoyment. There's no such thing as a bad vacation in my world.

I would agree about "no bad vacation", but then I took one with the person who is now my ex-girlfriend...

 

[GoofGoof]

Nothing stops a business from requiring whatever they want or having protocols. I believe local governments can still have mask mandates, they just can't fine individuals for violating the mandates but I'm pretty sure they can still fine businesses.

They can't do what Broward did and hold people responsible for enforcing mask mandates in private residences.

The removal of fines is a back door way to prohibit local mask mandates. So a locality can require masks but there‘s no way to enforce the requirement so it essentially doesn’t need to be followed. It’s not like they are going to arrest people and jail them for a violation so what’s left if you remove fines. He’s just avoiding the blowback that happened in Georgia when the governor prohibited mask mandates. It will make it more difficult for even private businesses to enforce any mask rules due to emboldened resistors. I’ll say it again, I feel bad for the front line workers who get stuck trying to enforce these rules.

 

[GoofGoof]

Maybe not quickly or easily dropped, but surely not permanent either.

Why would it need to be permanent? It’s not a punishment or a cultural trend, it’s a direct reaction to a public health crisis. Masks were worn in 1918 during that pandemic and vanished after the threat was gone. There’s no reason to think masks would become permanent.

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s the norm here. I’m still trying to figure out how we know Disney hasn’t raised capacity limits when we don’t know what the capacity limits are.

The funny thing is I don’t even know why it matters.

In regards to yesterday’s executive order it will be interesting to see if Disney makes any changes in the next few weeks. I believe they’ve extended park hours in October so maybe fireworks aren’t far off.
I know a lot of you won’t go until the drop the mask mandate so hopefully that is in the not so distant future.

Nothing is going to change in the not to distant future to make the virus any less infectious or less severe so I hope they do not drop the mask mandate. If masks are a good idea now, they will remain being a good idea for the foreseeable future.

 

[Miss Bella]

Nothing is going to change in the not to distant future to make the virus any less infectious or less severe so I hope they do not drop the mask mandate. If masks are a good idea now, they will remain being a good idea for the foreseeable future.

There is quite a few people on this forum that won’t go with the mask mandate. There is some irony in that.

 

[Chi84]

Why would it need to be permanent? It’s not a punishment or a cultural trend, it’s a direct reaction to a public health crisis. Masks were worn in 1918 during that pandemic and vanished after the threat was gone. There’s no reason to think masks would become permanent.

I was specifically replying to a post about mask requirements in union contracts and meant that contract term could be changed. I should have used more precise language.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[phillip9698]

I see people contemplating cancelling their fall trips due to the governor's announcement today. What Disney needs to do is come forth very soon and clearly tell people their plan for the upcoming months to put minds at ease.

Unfortunately, Disney has been playing it all too close to the chest and I don't think they're about to reveal any cards.

I'm not avoiding a trip based on what is or isn't happening on Disney property, it's about what is taking place outside of it. Those parks and restaurants are going to have their fair share of locals that are going to partake in the FL free for all.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I'm not avoiding a trip based on what is or isn't happening on Disney property, it's about what is taking place outside of it. Those parks and restaurants are going to have their fair share of locals that are going to partake in the FL free for all.

And again, will the states visitors are coming from impose quarantines on its returning residents for visiting Florida?

 

[GimpYancIent]

And again, will the states visitors are coming from impose quarantines on its returning residents for visiting Florida?

The imposition of quarantines by states has worked really well thus far? Then there are quite a few people that leave high restriction states with no intention of returning.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Update to the vaccine timeline outline in red (a new Phase 3 participant)...

Reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...


Monderna/NIH

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -20C, and 2 doses)​

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Warp Speed: $2.5B, for 100M doses​

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Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people, enrollment completes in September​

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Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine B” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 1M doses by Oct, 10M by Nov, 15M by Dec.​

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Earliest according to manufacturer: by the end of 2020.​

Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -70C, and 2 doses)​

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Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people​

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Warp Speed: $1.9B for 100M doses (by Dec?)​

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Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine A” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 2M doses by end of Oct, 10-20M doses by Nov, 20-30M dosed by Dec.​

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Earliest according to manufacturer: Regulatory review in Oct. which could theoretically lead to early end of Phase 3.​

AstraZeneca/Oxford

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Type: altered chimp adenovirus​

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Warp Speed: $1.2B​

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Phase 3: in progress, recently started​

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Earliest according to CDC: Doses can be delivered by Oct.​

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Earliest according to manufacturer: Doses available by the end of 2020.​

Johnson & Johnson / Beth Israel

Type: altered adenovirus (the one they used for an Ebola vaccine) [1 dose, only refrigeration to store]​

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Warp Speed: $456M (+$1B if proven successful for 100M doses)​

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Phase 3: just started, but will use a much larger test group (60k people), could be done by the end of 2020​

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Earliest according to CDC: Nothing from CDC yet about this vaccine.​

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Earliest according to manufacturer: Beginning of 2021. Plan to make a billion doses.​

Novavax

Type: sticking proteins on microscopic particles​

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Warp Speed: $1.6B​

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Phase 3: just started, could be done by the beginning of 2021​

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Earliest according to CDC: Nothing from CDC yet about this vaccine.​

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Earliest according to manufacturer: Plan to make 100M doses by 1st Q of 2021.​

Phase 3:

Final phase of trials. A large number of people are given either the vaccine or placebo, double blind​

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Wait to see if there are negative reactions to the vaccine. If there are, vaccine is scrubbed.​

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Wait to see how much more the vaccinated group is protected compared to the placebo. To be effective, people should be at least 50% more protected.​

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If early results show extraordinarily good results, then this Phase can end early, because it would be unethical to leave those who received the placebo to be unprotected by an effective vaccine – this is what leads to an “October vaccine,” which, is only a result of extraordinarily good results.​

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An independent review board evaluates the effectiveness. The FDA will not approve (or, is not supposed to approve) a vaccine without the board's go-ahead.​

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In addition to governmental approval (or "fast-tracking"), the manufacturers themselves can decide not to release the vaccine until what they consider are appropriate evaluations are made. And, in fact, have pledged to "follow the science" and not release the vaccine until large trials and the science show that it is both safe and effective.​

In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.