Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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[Miss Bella]

If overall cases in states such as Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Arizona don't skyrocket during September when many more schools reopen, then we will KNOW there's some dark manipulation with the numbers. There's absolutely no force in nature that can prevent the spread of the virus in schools at high levels.

Our schools reopened three weeks ago. Nothing to see.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Little development from someone challenging the mandate in Orange County:




Read the comments if you wish to have a stroke.

Okay the bolded made me chuckle.

Normally I’d then have to go and see what you mean. But I honestly no longer have it in me to read those types of comments and see how many people are truly ridiculous.

 

[Miss Bella]

y'all we are really entering the dark ages....its so hard to be positive right now. Hundreds of thousands of people have died from a GLOBAL PANDEMIC (Can you believe we're in a pandemic!?!?!), the virus continues to rapidly spread, everyone is losing their jobs, we are on the brink of a depression, here in CA we are having record deadly heat, and our political season is quite nasty. Its getting harder and harder to keep it together.

Four of my family are moving their families out of California. Their all closing on their new houses this month. They are moving to Nevada, Idaho, Arizona, and Georgia. All life long Californians.

 

[easyrowrdw]

If overall cases in states such as Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Arizona don't skyrocket during September when many more schools reopen, then we will KNOW there's some dark manipulation with the numbers. There's absolutely no force in nature that can prevent the spread of the virus in schools at high levels.

Masks and a slow ramping up of in-person classes can help prevent the spread. Not all districts are like what we saw in Georgia. One of our local districts is starting with only 5 kids in a classroom. They'll add more after a couple weeks if it's safe. According to the epidemiologists, if community spread is low, then it can be managed in schools.

A university where my friend works and her daughter attends has dorms open, but classes are online. They've been back for a few weeks and only have 3 active cases. The daughter said the kids in the dorms are actually being very careful.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[tussking]

Hi, newbie here. I live in South Florida and am considering bringing the family to MK next Tuesday as I figure the crowds will be low due to the long three day weekend til Monday. Can I please get some real time updates from people who are at the parks in the last few days? It would be greatly appreciated.

 

[imallearsgurl]

Hi, newbie here. I live in South Florida and am considering bringing the family to MK next Tuesday as I figure the crowds will be low due to the long three day weekend til Monday. Can I please get some real time updates from people who are at the parks in the last few days? It would be greatly appreciated.

Hi there and welcome!

I was there Wednesday through Saturday last week, and went to Epcot, MK, and HS. Epcot and MK crowd levels on the weekdays were unheard of.....I was able to basically walk on every ride with little or no wait. Frozen and Mine Train were the only exceptions, and even then it was only 20-30 minutes.

Studios felt much more crowded (I was there last Friday). I was there early and walked onto MRR while I waited to get my boarding pass for ROTR, and then rode SDD and SR with minimal wait. After that, the waits were closer to "normal" wait times for most rides, and overall it felt more crowded (the spacing in lines also makes them look longer).

I went back to MK on Saturday, and it was much more crowded than what I had encountered on Thursday. Within an hour or two of opening, there were lines of people waiting to get onto just about everything (I even waited 30 minutes to do Carousel of Progress), as well as lines to get into the smaller shops (such as Memento Mori's).

I highly recommend going on a weekday as you are planning. The weekdays that I was breezing through MK and Epcot were something I'll never forget.

And for what it's worth, the mask wasn't a big deal to keep on throughout the day, and I felt Disney had done a great job of taking as many measures as possible to support social distancing, cleaning, and masks.

 

[AngryEyes]

Housing prices in Texas and across the southeast have been on the rise for at least 3 years associated with the California exodus. It’s a shame that it’s so hard to live there now; such a beautiful state.

But please bring the lessons learned with you as you move into Dallas, Nashville, Raleigh, Orlando, etc. Leave California in California.

Good luck with this. Las Vegas is turning into California.

 

[Miss Bella]

Good luck with this. Las Vegas is turning into California.

Luckily they are not moving to Las Vegas. They have enough money they don't need to work anyway.

 

[Lilofan]

Housing prices in Texas and across the southeast have been on the rise for at least 3 years associated with the California exodus. It’s a shame that it’s so hard to live there now; such a beautiful state.

But please bring the lessons learned with you as you move into Dallas, Nashville, Raleigh, Orlando, etc. Leave California in California.

There are so many people from CA escaping the CA high cost of living and moving to Austin TX and raising their home prices there so much it's pricing out locals. The nickname of Austin is now Austinfornians.

 

[Miss Bella]

Housing prices in Texas and across the southeast have been on the rise for at least 3 years associated with the California exodus. It’s a shame that it’s so hard to live there now; such a beautiful state.

But please bring the lessons learned with you as you move into Dallas, Nashville, Raleigh, Orlando, etc. Leave California in California.

Agreed. They move to my state and then vote for the same crap that they left.

 

[Wes Tacker]

Agreed. They move to my state and then vote for the same crap that they left.

Which is how Texas is actually close to being a battleground state now.

 

[SamusAranX]

There are so many people from CA escaping the CA high cost of living and moving to Austin TX and raising their home prices there so much it's pricing out locals. The nickname of Austin is now Austinfornians.

But even with higher prices in Austin, the median home price is hovering below 500k, while in Cali, you're still looking at just below 600k. So who can blame moving and making a cool 100k give or take minus taxes? Hell, if they were really smart they move to Florida where the median prices even in cities is still around 300k. My friends left San Fran and made a tidy profit. Alot of people do that with Long Island to Florida as well. Not to mention the thousands they save every year on property taxes.

Then again I hate Florida and hope to leave some day

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out -

 

[MisterPenguin]

Where's the best place to live? Oh wait. That's off topic.

Anyhoo... reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...


Monderna/NIH

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -20C, and 2 doses)​

​

Warp Speed: $2.5B, for 100M doses​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people, enrollment completes in September​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine B” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 1M doses by Oct, 10M by Nov, 15M by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: by the end of 2020.​

Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -70C, and 2 doses)​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people​

​

Warp Speed: $1.9B for 100M doses (by Dec?)​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine A” – health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 2M doses by end of Oct, 10-20M doses by Nov, 20-30M dosed by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Regulatory review in Oct. which could theoretically lead to early end of Phase 3.​

AstraZeneca/Oxford

Type: altered chimp adenovirus​

​

Warp Speed: $1.2B​

​

Phase 3: in progress, recently started​

​

Earliest according to CDC: Doses can be delivered by Oct.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Doses available by the end of 2020.​

Phase 3:

Final phase of trials. A large number of people are given either the vaccine or placebo, double blind​

​

Wait to see if there are negative reactions to the vaccine. If there are, vaccine is scrubbed.​

​

Wait to see how much more the vaccinated group is protected compared to the placebo. To be effective, it should be 50% more protected.​

​

If early results show extraordinarily good results, then this Phase can end early, because it would be unethical to leave those who received the placebo to be unprotected by an effective vaccine – this is what leads to an “October vaccine,” which, is only a result of extraordinarily good results.​

​

An independent review board evaluates the effectiveness. The FDA will not approve (or, is not supposed to approve) a vaccine without the board's go-ahead.​

​

In addition to governmental approval (or "fast-tracking"), the manufacturers themselves can decide not to release the vaccine until what they consider are appropriate evaluations are made. And, in fact, have pledged to "follow the science" and not release the vaccine until large trials and the science show that it is safe and effective.​

In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.

 

[SamusAranX]

Numbers are out -

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That's more like it! Keep it up FL!

 

[SamusAranX]

Where's the best place to live? Oh wait. That's off topic.

Anyhoo... reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...


Monderna/NIH

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage and 2 doses)​

​

Warp Speed: $2.5B, for 100M doses​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people, enrollment completes in September​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine B” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 1M doses by Oct, 10M by Nov, 15M by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: no estimate given​

Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage and 2 doses)​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people​

​

Warp Speed: $1.9B for 100M doses (by Dec?)​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine A” – health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 2M doses by end of Oct, 10-20M doses by Nov, 20-30M dosed by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Regulatory review in Oct.​

AstraZeneca/Oxford

Type: altered chimp adenovirus​

​

Warp Speed: $1.2B​

​

Phase 3: in progress, recently started​

​

Earliest according to CDC: Doses can be delivered by Oct.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Doses available by the end of 2020.​

Phase 3:

Final phase of trials. A large number of people are given either the vaccine or placebo, double blind​

​

Wait to see if there are negative reactions to the vaccine. If there are, vaccine is scrubbed.​

​

Wait to see how much more the vaccinated group is protected compared to the placebo. To be effective, it should be 50% more protected.​

​

If early results show extraordinarily good results, then this Phase can end early, because it would be unethical to leave those who received the placebo to be unprotected by an effective vaccine – this is what leads to an “October vaccine,” which, is only a result of extraordinarily good results.​

​

An independent review board evaluates the effectiveness. The FDA will not approve (or, is not supposed to approve) a vaccine without the board's go-ahead.​

​

In addition to governmental approval (or "fast-tracking"), the manufacturers themselves can decide not to release the vaccine until what they consider are appropriate evaluations are made.​

In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.

Crazy scenario, but let's say one or more vaccines pass Phase 3, and vaccine dosages begin publicly; then a few months later noticeable side effects and long term issues show in those vaccinated....is that "normal"? would they pause and go back to the drawing board, and recall the vaccine?

 

[MisterPenguin]

That's more like it! Keep it up FL!

Compared to a month ago, FL is doing good.

But this week was more of a plateau. The downward trending is leveling off. And that's what got FL into trouble last time, because they didn't keep working to lower the number, then the numbers increased.

Back to school and a Labor Day weekend isn't going to help.

 

[GoofGoof]

Where's the best place to live? Oh wait. That's off topic.

Anyhoo... reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...


Monderna/NIH

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage and 2 doses)​

​

Warp Speed: $2.5B, for 100M doses​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people, enrollment completes in September​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine B” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 1M doses by Oct, 10M by Nov, 15M by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: no estimate given​

Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun

Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage and 2 doses)​

​

Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people​

​

Warp Speed: $1.9B for 100M doses (by Dec?)​

​

Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine A” – health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 2M doses by end of Oct, 10-20M doses by Nov, 20-30M dosed by Dec.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Regulatory review in Oct.​

AstraZeneca/Oxford

Type: altered chimp adenovirus​

​

Warp Speed: $1.2B​

​

Phase 3: in progress, recently started​

​

Earliest according to CDC: Doses can be delivered by Oct.​

​

Earliest according to manufacturer: Doses available by the end of 2020.​

Phase 3:

Final phase of trials. A large number of people are given either the vaccine or placebo, double blind​

​

Wait to see if there are negative reactions to the vaccine. If there are, vaccine is scrubbed.​

​

Wait to see how much more the vaccinated group is protected compared to the placebo. To be effective, it should be 50% more protected.​

​

If early results show extraordinarily good results, then this Phase can end early, because it would be unethical to leave those who received the placebo to be unprotected by an effective vaccine – this is what leads to an “October vaccine,” which, is only a result of extraordinarily good results.​

​

An independent review board evaluates the effectiveness. The FDA will not approve (or, is not supposed to approve) a vaccine without the board's go-ahead.​

​

In addition to governmental approval (or "fast-tracking"), the manufacturers themselves can decide not to release the vaccine until what they consider are appropriate evaluations are made.​

In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.

Good summary. The 2 logistical things that could delay the process of getting enough people vaccinated are the ultra cold storage limitation and the fact that the vaccines require 2 doses usually 30 days apart. On the cold storage side I think it just makes it that much more difficult to distribute to medical providers. You would probably need large numbers of people to go to a centralized location vs sending it to every doctors office and CVS. The 2 dose thing just cuts the number of people in half. For example if the US government buys 100M doses that only vaccinated 50M people since everyone needs 2.