Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

But the other reality you are ignoring is that unless there is a vaccine produced very quickly (which is doubtful) you will have the same percentage of people infected in lockdown countries as you do in the ones like Sweden that are going for a herd immunity strategy. The western lockdown strategy was never intended to stop the virus only to control the speed at which everyone is infected. So when that is the reality then the question shouldn't focus on what we don't know about the virus it should be on why are we stringing out the inevitable why not just get it over with and move on. That is what is driving some of the protestors, they aren't all clueless idiot that the media portrays them to be some of them have likely realized that the lockdowns as a way to stop the pandemic are theater that was never intended to actually work... and so why go on with the charade just rip off the bandaid.

I don’t know if you were responding to the wrong post or not. I only said the studies of this are far reaching and the ones that do come out of it, which is the majority, could have things that will affect them the rest of their lives.
Never said anything about protesters,vaccines, lockdown strategies,the media, etc. Just posting a very good informative article on how Coronavirus attacks and how it moves through the body. ???

 

[celluloid]

It's really just an unforunate situtation but my heart goes out to the protesters and who some represent. There are people who need their jobs to survive. They should not be vilified for not wanting to starve to death or potentially not have a home to go to.

Well said. Avoid demonization and hate.
Nor should I think every person that goes to a place like the beach be deemed a "Florida Moron" just because some do not utilize common sense or best practices does not mean all do not. It is their town, and a place to exercise physically and mental health the same way New Yorkers can still enjoy green space. It does not make people morons.

 

[Jrb1979]

It's really just an unforunate situtation but my heart goes out to the protesters and who some represent. There are people who need their jobs to survive. They should not be vilified for not wanting to starve to death or potentially not have a home to go to.

I don't fault them for looking out for themselves. My issue is how most keep saying it's got to either be total lockdown forever or none at all. Why can't there be a middle ground like what is being planned? My problem with going back to the way things were right away is the spike in cases that's going to come from that. If that were to happen we are back to where we started.

 

[thomas998]

Yes let's infect a lot of people all at once cause I need to go to work. . Honestly I am fine with the way they plan on opening things. Taking it slow is the best way to go. Ripping off the bandaid will make cases and deaths spike and we will be back to where we started.

Reality is the same number of people will likely die if you go herd immunity as we will see die from the slow lockdown path... BUT if you do the Swedish version of let it run its course as quickly as possible you avoid half the population becoming homeless because their ability to work and provide for themselves isn't taken away from them. How many people do you think will die from the effects of the lockdown? The reality is some people will kill themselves others will die because they can't afford the medications they need for other conditions they have and all because we are going on with the lockdown theater that many like yourself seem to think is going to stop the pandemic - it isn't going to stop it and it never was, it is only going to string it along and force everyone to endure a much longer hardship.

 

[lilypgirl]

It's really just an unforunate situtation but my heart goes out to the protesters and who some represent. There are people who need their jobs to survive. They should not be vilified for not wanting to starve to death or potentially not have a home to go to.

Not only that but for many of these people their health care is directly related to their employment. They may not be able to afford routine health care and treatment when this is all over and that is scary. Also I can only speak for my state but the protest here were not because of the stay home orders but the excessive and unnecessary steps our Governor has implemented.

 

[Jrb1979]

Hasn't happened yet (that healthcare systems became overwhelmed) and we have more preparations (and the temporarily hospitals built) in place and data to handle the situtation better than when we had no knowledge of the virus.

Nothing is really going to change how we handle the situtation for years (Vaccine takes a while) other than finding better treatments for those inflicted that need it.

It hasn't happened cause a lot of people are staying home and only going out when necessary. Once you start having more people out in public the virus is going to spread more than it already has. If you do that too quickly then the hospitals will be overwhelmed.

 

[Jrb1979]

Reality is the same number of people will likely die if you go herd immunity as we will see die from the slow lockdown path... BUT if you do the Swedish version of let it run its course as quickly as possible you avoid half the population becoming homeless because their ability to work and provide for themselves isn't taken away from them. How many people do you think will die from the effects of the lockdown? The reality is some people will kill themselves others will die because they can't afford the medications they need for other conditions they have and all because we are going on with the lockdown theater that many like yourself seem to think is going to stop the pandemic - it isn't going to stop it and it never was, it is only going to string it along and force everyone to endure a much longer hardship.

I never said to stay in lockdown. I'm in favor of the guidelines that were put out in regards to the phase reopening of the economy. The more we spread this out the better it will be. I know first hand what this does to even healthy people. My wife has it and struggles to breathe all day long. Luckily it hasn't gotten worse.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I never said to stay in lockdown. I'm in favor of the guidelines that were put out in regards to the phase reopening of the economy. The more we spread this out the better it will be. I know first hand what this does to even healthy people. My wife has it and struggles to breathe all day long. Luckily it hasn't gotten worse.

Hopefully she will be feeling better soon! Wish you both the best!

 

[Jrb1979]

Hopefully she will be feeling better soon! Wish you both the best!

Thanks. My fear of pulling the bandaid off is more people will get it as bad as she has it. I just don't want what happened in Italy to happen here where it gets to point Dr.'s pick who they help cause they have a better chance of surviving.

 

[John park hopper]

Off subject just saw on the news a piece on the Navjo people --to put things in perspective 40% have no running water, 30% have no electricity the hospital is so understaffed. The leader of the Navajo nation was begging for government assistance. Funding was promised but has yet to come --must apply. They have a high rate of infection and 40 deaths so far and yet to peak.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Lol...gotta love the “Noose”...

California Gov. appoints Tim Cook, Bob Iger to job recovery task force

Billionaire failed presidential candidate Tom Steyer will co-chair the state's new Task Force on Business and Jobs Recovery, which will meet twice a month for the rest of 2020.

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Bob Iger getting called out to save the entire state of California? #PresidentIger2020

2024

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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Bob has said what it’s gonna take...and we aren’t close at all..

Bob Iger Reveals The Biggest Obstacle To Re-Opening Disney World And Disneyland

At this point, we could all probably use a day at the Happiest Place on Earth.

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

With his sidekick Chapek for vice!

God no...need either somebody competent or good eye candy

 

[CLEtoWDW]

Interesting news this AM as more COVID tests and anti body tests are showing upwards of 25% of people may be asymptomatic. While they may indeed spread the virus without knowing it also poses an interesting question... what is the true denominator of deaths/cases? We have heard the number to be reported around 2% however with this news coming out some are starting to speculate the death rate may be closer to .5%. If this is indeed the case we may see light at the end of the tunnel sooner than expected.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yes let's infect a lot of people all at once cause I need to go to work. . Honestly I am fine with the way they plan on opening things. Taking it slow is the best way to go. Ripping off the bandaid will make cases and deaths spike and we will be back to where we started.

If the total number ends up the same, what's the difference if we get there quickly in a spike or slowly in a hill?

Preventing the most deaths will be accomplished by trying to isolate people 65+ while there is an outbreak and using screening to keep the virus out of nursing homes. In Florida, 81% of deaths are people aged 65+ while the same age group only accounts for 25% of all cases. I realize that multi generational homes are an issue but hopefully some level of isolation within the home is possible. Maybe temporary 65+ housing can be created and publicly funded for people over 65 that can't afford to live on their own. For those who's younger family helps care for them, virus-screened aids would be necessary.

I'm not ignorant of the fact that isolating people age 65+ is not as simple as the fairy godmother waving a magic wand. However, based on the data from everywhere, it is the most effective thing that can be done practically to minimize the deaths resulting from this virus.

The phased reopening plan has adequate hospital capacity to handle a spike as part of the gate metrics. This prevents the issue of indirect deaths due to people not being able to get healthcare for other issues.

The virus can not be completely eradicated without a vaccine or herd immunity the latter of which can't really happen in an acceptable manner with respect to the elderly population. The economy must reopen before a vaccine is available unless a worldwide depression on an unprecedented scale is acceptable.

With these two things in mind and with what we know about the virus, the phased reopening plan is a good compromise to try and minimize death, slow the spread until there is a vaccine and also have a sustainable economy. The economy can not get back to where it was before without significant immunity simply because there are many industries (the cruise industry comes immediately to mind) that rely greatly on people aged 65+. International travel is also a driver of the economy in many tourist destinations around the world and international travel will remain suppressed both by government restrictions and people not wanting to visit hot zones.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Interesting news this AM as more COVID tests and anti body tests are showing upwards of 25% of people may be asymptomatic. While they may indeed spread the virus without knowing it also poses an interesting question... what is the true denominator of deaths/cases? We have heard the number to be reported around 2% however with this news coming out some are starting to speculate the death rate may be closer to .5%. If this is indeed the case we may see light at the end of the tunnel sooner than expected.

It’s probably lower than thought...South Korea and Germany seem to be settling in on 0.3%...which isn’t bad.

But the problem remains: until morons get serious about testing and tracing...we’ll compound our own problems.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Bob has said what it’s gonna take...and we aren’t close at all..

Bob Iger Reveals The Biggest Obstacle To Re-Opening Disney World And Disneyland

At this point, we could all probably use a day at the Happiest Place on Earth.

www.google.com

If we need to wait for mass scale testing and I agree with it, we will be waiting a long time for WDW to open. Considering we are testing approximately 150 thousand a week and most scientists say we should be closer to 500 thousand a week. If this is what Iger and Disney need to open, we are looking at end of summer? Who knows and things can change but from what he says...” the main thing is to have people feel safe”.. it’s going to be awhile. Unless of course the whole thinking of the Disney minds change.

 

[Jrb1979]

If the total number ends up the same, what's the difference if we get there quickly in a spike or slowly in a hill?

Preventing the most deaths will be accomplished by trying to isolate people 65+ while there is an outbreak and using screening to keep the virus out of nursing homes. In Florida, 81% of deaths are people aged 65+ while the same age group only accounts for 25% of all cases. I realize that multi generational homes are an issue but hopefully some level of isolation within the home is possible. Maybe temporary 65+ housing can be created and publicly funded for people over 65 that can't afford to live on their own. For those who's younger family helps care for them, virus-screened aids would be necessary.

I'm not ignorant of the fact that isolating people age 65+ is not as simple as the fairy godmother waving a magic wand. However, based on the data from everywhere, it is the most effective thing that can be done practically to minimize the deaths resulting from this virus.

The phased reopening plan has adequate hospital capacity to handle a spike as part of the gate metrics. This prevents the issue of indirect deaths due to people not being able to get healthcare for other issues.

The virus can not be completely eradicated without a vaccine or herd immunity the latter of which can't really happen in an acceptable manner with respect to the elderly population. The economy must reopen before a vaccine is available unless a worldwide depression on an unprecedented scale is acceptable.

With these two things in mind and with what we know about the virus, the phased reopening plan is a good compromise to try and minimize death, slow the spread until there is a vaccine and also have a sustainable economy. The economy can not get back to where it was before without significant immunity simply because there are many industries (the cruise industry comes immediately to mind) that rely greatly on people aged 65+. International travel is also a driver of the economy in many tourist destinations around the world and international travel will remain suppressed both by government restrictions and people not wanting to visit hot zones.

That I agree with. What I don't agree with is opening the economy back to normal tomorrow like a lot of people want.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This has been known for a while and im at a loss of what people are talking about in the media. If you've taken basic high school science you know these stats have no confidence/not accurate.

The weather forecast is way more accurate than the mess we have going on now with random stats being thrown out of nowhere.

It’s an evolving situation because there’s no backlog of data...so I’m trying to roll with the developments.

Others are not...spewing the same agenda filled nonsense that is a recipe for disaster...

At least till now that hasn’t won the day.