Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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I won’t be vacationing for awhile because of finances right now because of what’s going on. If that wasn’t a problem I still would not be going to Disney. Let’s imagine Disney did open today. With all the restrictions still in place in Florida and across the country. Add to that what insiders have said, if it’s true, that when they reopen there will be no meet and greets, restaurants are still to be closed until May 8.. rides may be limited depending on the attraction.. sounds like a fun trip. Would you go?
My example of tomorrow was to illustrate that I don't believe people will stay away due to fear.

When they do reopen, what will keep me away is crowds and there stupid FP+ system making it not fun. I couldn't care less if there are M&Gs and restaurants will be open if WDW is allowed to reopen.
 

Disorbust

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100% agree about the non essential business game. They should have shut Wisconsin down much tighter. Our numbers aren’t rising because testing has changed to mostly inpatient admissions and health care workers. We have plenty of beds right now but Covid admissions are increasing. I am really proud how Froedtert has been handling this. They are not messing around, anyone needing mor than 5 L of oxygen and they are put on a vent.. The hospitals are sparkling clean , staff is being screened and no more visitors. I actually feel safer going to work then to Meijer
 

DisneyCane

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Again, not enough money to take a Disney trip with all the unknowns about people’s jobs and such.
I have followed the bill closely.

We are talking about the future not right now. If the spending package keeps the economy alive there won't be huge uncertainty when WDW reopens.

If WDW is empty then I'll take advantage of the AP that I already paid for and actually enjoy being able to ride the popular rides without standing in line for 3 hours or hitting the lotto of a FP at 30 days for the first time in years.
 

DisneyDebRob

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My example of tomorrow was to illustrate that I don't believe people will stay away due to fear.

When they do reopen, what will keep me away is crowds and there stupid FP+ system making it not fun. I couldn't care less if there are M&Gs and restaurants will be open if WDW is allowed to reopen.
I don’t care either about them but most families do. That’s my reasoning for people not to go until this thing is over and fully open, then the families and crowds will be back.
 

DisneyCane

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I hope you are right and I think in regards to land based vacations such as Disney they will restart much faster than the cruiselines.

They have taken The brunt of the public relations beating from this due to the Diamond Princess and then the Grand Princess. There were many other smaller to medium sized issues, but by the time those were cropping up the media’s attention shifted to the greater picture. The cruiselines were already taking huge hits after the Diamond Princess. They will get back to their pre corona levels but will take much much longer than say Disney or an all inclusive vacation. Disney thankfully dodged the PR bullet which would have made it much harder for them to get to precoronavirus booking levels once this is behind us.
Cruise lines are definitely in a different boat (pun intended). They are known as a breeding ground for outbreaks, especially of norovirus, that ruin vacations on a somewhat regular basis. Airplanes really aren't. There isn't any report I've seen of any flight where one passenger has infected a large number of people on a flight in this outbreak.
 

seascape

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Assuming that the country is reopened in a month or two the $2 TRILLION spending package will keep us all from being poor in the short term.
Where do you think the $2 trillion is Federal stimulus is coming from? Or the $4 trillion of new money from the Federal Reserve? Do you think there is no cost to those funds? This will make us poorer because your taxes will go up and your money will buy less after the $4 trillion of new Federal Reserve notes. Just in case you don't understand Federal Reserve Notes look at your dollar bills.
 

DisneyJoe

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You haven't followed the bill then. What they supposedly agreed on was basically full pay unemployment. I assume there are income limits imposed so that somebody earning $250,000 a year won't get their normal check but somebody earning $50,000 will. The latter makes up a higher percentage of WDW visitors.
$75k and less is the cutoff point
 

JoeCamel

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Where do you think the $2 trillion is Federal stimulus is coming from? Or the $4 trillion of new money from the Federal Reserve? Do you think there is no cost to those funds? This will make us poorer because your kid's taxes will go up and your money will buy less after the $4 trillion of new Federal Reserve notes. Just in case you don't understand Federal Reserve Notes look at your dollar bills.
Added a missing word. That is the tragedy in all this. This payback will hobble our economy for years and years
 

George

Liker of Things
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Where do you think the $2 trillion is Federal stimulus is coming from? Or the $4 trillion of new money from the Federal Reserve? Do you think there is no cost to those funds? This will make us poorer because your taxes will go up and your money will buy less after the $4 trillion of new Federal Reserve notes. Just in case you don't understand Federal Reserve Notes look at your dollar bills.
The deficit and thus the debt were already growing at an extreme rate. I guess we’ll find out if the debt really matters. May have serious inflation for the first time since the late 70s, which is another incredibly painful way to take care of the problem. Hopefully, we won’t go the bond holder haircut route which has been suggested.
 

xdan0920

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The deficit and thus the debt were already growing at an extreme rate. I guess we’ll find out if the debt really matters. May have serious inflation for the first time since the late 70s, which is another incredibly painful way to take care of the problem. Hopefully, we won’t go the bond holder haircut route which has been suggested.
I am a simpleton. Admittedly. Isn’t a large portion of our debt held by China? Why not tell them to kick rocks?
 

GoofGoof

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I truly believe that if WDW opened tomorrow it would be just as crowded as the days before it closed, even in the middle of the peak of the outbreak.
Not sure of your personal situation but my assumption is you are a younger person without any health conditions that put you into the high risk category. This gives you confidence that if you get this it will be no big deal. There are many people who are either elderly or have pre-existing conditions. There are also plenty of people who interact with those high risk people. If a family has a kid with asthma do yo think they are going to risk a trip to WDW? How many people want to bring their kids to WDW knowing they could kill grandma when they get back? I have no desire to get this virus or see my kids get it even without being high risk and I know I’m not alone. Then add in families with children who have already missed a week or more of school. People aren’t going to be as likely to pull kids out of school for a trip to WDW. Same with school teachers. I work in an office and have been working from home. I know that if we went back to the office tomorrow I wouldn’t be able to take time off any time soon. I’m much less efficient working from home. Throw in international travelers either being restricted or afraid to be trapped away from home. All of these factors would reduce crowds dramatically and that doesn’t even take into account the economic impact from people who already lost their jobs or want to keep a little extra in savings just in case. The first day the parks re-open you would probably get some lifestylers and locals who want to say they were there on opening day but after that small bump there would be a big drop off.

It’s naive to think things will just pop back to normal overnight. It will get back to normal but it’s going to take time.
 

seascape

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Disney and Universal will win big time with this stimulus bill but Orlando will be severely hurt. The fact that according to CNBC the debt forgiveness for small businesses no longer exists will devastate the small independent hotel. The thing most people don't understand is that most hotel are small independent businesses and just managed by the big hotel chains. That neans they go out of business forcing customers to Universal and Disney Hotels.
 
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thomas998

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The only thing we have is "the full faith and credit of the US". We default our bonds are worthless.
I doubt it in this case. It wouldn't be as if we were doing it for no good reason. Frankly I think the world would understand and probably be willing to do the same thing with any of their debt that was held by the Chinese.
 

HongKongFooy

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Why in the world is money relief distribution based on income and not net worth?

So I guess rich people with under 75k income get to mucus feed off others.
Pathetic!

I personally know 3 multi millionaires(from 3 different and completely unrelated households) who will get the handout.

This is asinine.
 

Rimmit

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Cruise lines are definitely in a different boat (pun intended). They are known as a breeding ground for outbreaks, especially of norovirus, that ruin vacations on a somewhat regular basis. Airplanes really aren't. There isn't any report I've seen of any flight where one passenger has infected a large number of people on a flight in this outbreak.

Yes we cruise many times a year and have been on a Noro Cruise. They definitely transmit faster than on land, but anecdotally I have more friends that have gotten sick at all inclusives and Disney than on a cruise ship. Just some bad luck. interestingly enough, despite all our cruising we have never gotten sick on a cruise. I am meticulous with my hand hygiene though, given my healthcare background.

The difference is every time a resort gets an outbreak it doesn’t hit national news. Cruiselines are easy prey for the media. A resort have any outbreak of something.

I don’t think I ever mentioned airlines in my previous comment.
 

Horizons '83

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Why in the world is money relief distribution based on income and not net worth?

So I guess rich people with under 75k income get to mucus feed off others.
Pathetic!

I personally know 3 multi millionaires(from 3 different and completely unrelated households) who will get the handout.

This is asinine.
I'm not defending it, but I believe that is the quickest and most efficient metric to get the $ to the people who need it the most.
 
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