Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[seascape]

Other than the fact that a good number will be unemployed, out of business, just plain broke, or dead.

Not everyone will die. Even if 1.2% of the 40 to 80 percent of the public that get Covid19 die that would be 0.48 to 0.96 percent of the population. Plus since the vast majority of them have underlying health issues many of the would have died in months anyway. I know this sounds heartless but it will only be a tiny bump is the life expectancy tables. Much less than the opioid crisis. As a matter of fact it would have been a better use of money to help with that problem.

 

[HongKongFooy]

That is why the rest of the country does not like New Yorkers.

I like New Yorkers,......some fine folk

 

[John park hopper]

Grew up in NY escaped when I was 18 --don't like most New Yorkers

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The biggest difference between 9/11 and this is that 9/11, as designed by the terrorists, had horrific images that stoked people's fear of flying in general. It also allowed people to imagine that if terrorists could pull that off, they could blow up the Magic Kingdom.

With the virus, the only images are the case and death scoreboard. Inherently humans are not afraid of getting a fatal disease because diseases are natural and have always been a part of life since life began. Flying in an airplane is an unnatural activity so deep inside our brains we have more fear of doing it.

I truly believe that if WDW opened tomorrow it would be just as crowded as the days before it closed, even in the middle of the peak of the outbreak.

I would disagree with most of what you said except about the 9/11 points.
IMO, humans are afraid of getting a fatal disease. I don’t want one and most I know wouldn’t want one either. Is it being afraid? In a way yes. Does anyone want cancer or something else that may kill them in a year or whatever? Don’t think so. So with that reasoning you set up your next point, that people would crowd back into WDW if it were open today. I don’t think so. Would there be people going? Sure, mostly people thinking it won’t happen to them like the spring breakers. I believe the majority of people won’t get on a plane for awhile. I also believe a lot of families don’t even know how secure financially there family is with loss of millions of jobs. Thursday the numbers come out for the next updat on unemployment claims and it’s expected in the millions. So no, I don’t think you would see crowds as before this hit. Respectfully disagree.
I’m not a doom and gloomer, just trying to think things through and I don’t see it happening.

 

[Lilofan]

2020 in a nutshell
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When will I get a job..

 

[HongKongFooy]

So, Hobby Lobby and Jo-Ann Fabrics have literally been deemed essential but you can’t see your fiancé if they don’t live with you.

Sure you can....... Just meet up at Hobby Lobby and find an empty aisle and a use one of those rocking chairs on display.

 

[Piebald]

Disney isnt reopening anytime soon if many FL counties are shelter in place but wealthy NYers and other folks can continue flying in droves to escape their own "lockdown" since Florida is stupid enough to not have a widespread lockdown.

 

[DisneyCane]

Crowded with who?. The few that still have jobs?

The same people that go to WDW and run up credit card debt. Also, the $2 trillion economic package that will get passed will keep people paid for a little while.

 

[Lilofan]

Disney isnt reopening anytime soon if many FL counties are shelter in place but wealthy NYers and other folks can continue flying in droves to escape their own "lockdown" since Florida is stupid enough to not have a widespread lockdown.

Flying for some that arrive in FL airports that need to quarantine, some drive or take the train to FL too. Hopefully these travelers get serious too.

 

[Lilofan]

The same people that go to WDW and run up credit card debt. Also, the $2 trillion economic package that will get passed will keep people paid for a little while.

That relief check while helpful will pay for next month's living expenses for millions that are unemployed.

 

[HongKongFooy]

There's also a lot of money in the tobacco industry (although far less lobbying etc. than they had a few decades ago) that works towards keeping politicians away from it.

There's also a lot of money in keeping the economy as a whole going

 

[Timmay]

Sure you can....... Just meet up at Hobby Lobby and find an empty aisle and a use one of those rocking chairs on display.

Exactly. Hence the silliness of it.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The same people that go to WDW and run up credit card debt. Also, the $2 trillion economic package that will get passed will keep people paid for a little while.

Yes paid, although not that much. Definitely not enough to take a trip to Disney.

 

[Rimmit]

The biggest difference between 9/11 and this is that 9/11, as designed by the terrorists, had horrific images that stoked people's fear of flying in general. It also allowed people to imagine that if terrorists could pull that off, they could blow up the Magic Kingdom.

With the virus, the only images are the case and death scoreboard. Inherently humans are not afraid of getting a fatal disease because diseases are natural and have always been a part of life since life began. Flying in an airplane is an unnatural activity so deep inside our brains we have more fear of doing it.

I truly believe that if WDW opened tomorrow it would be just as crowded as the days before it closed, even in the middle of the peak of the outbreak.

I hope you are right and I think in regards to land based vacations such as Disney they will restart much faster than the cruiselines.

They have taken The brunt of the public relations beating from this due to the Diamond Princess and then the Grand Princess. There were many other smaller to medium sized issues, but by the time those were cropping up the media’s attention shifted to the greater picture. The cruiselines were already taking huge hits after the Diamond Princess. They will get back to their pre corona levels but will take much much longer than say Disney or an all inclusive vacation. Disney thankfully dodged the PR bullet which would have made it much harder for them to get to precoronavirus booking levels once this is behind us.

 

[DisneyCane]

I would disagree with most of what you said except about the 9/11 points.
IMO, humans are afraid of getting a fatal disease. I don’t want one and most I know wouldn’t want one either. Is it being afraid? In a way yes. Does anyone want cancer or something else that may kill them in a year or whatever? Don’t think so. So with that reasoning you set up your next point, that people would crowd back into WDW if it were open today. I don’t think so. Would there be people going? Sure, mostly people thinking it won’t happen to them like the spring breakers. I believe the majority of people won’t get on a plane for awhile. I also believe a lot of families don’t even know how secure financially there family is with loss of millions of jobs. Thursday the numbers come out for the next updat on unemployment claims and it’s expected in the millions. So no, I don’t think you would see crowds as before this hit. Respectfully disagree.
I’m not a doom and gloomer, just trying to think things through and I don’t see it happening.

Not wanting to get a fatal disease (which nobody does) and being inherently afraid of it are two different things. Our brains use fear as a method of protection and self preservation. We aren't afraid of illnesses in the same way we are afraid of going up to a lion in the wild.

People aren't flying now because there's no reason to go anywhere. Business stopped almost all travel and a vacation doesn't make sense. What would you do on vacation? Order takeout to your hotel that has a view of the next even though you can't go to the beach?

 

[xdan0920]

The biggest difference between 9/11 and this is that 9/11, as designed by the terrorists, had horrific images that stoked people's fear of flying in general. It also allowed people to imagine that if terrorists could pull that off, they could blow up the Magic Kingdom.

With the virus, the only images are the case and death scoreboard. Inherently humans are not afraid of getting a fatal disease because diseases are natural and have always been a part of life since life began. Flying in an airplane is an unnatural activity so deep inside our brains we have more fear of doing it.

I truly believe that if WDW opened tomorrow it would be just as crowded as the days before it closed, even in the middle of the peak of the outbreak.

Tomorrow, sure. In 2 months when we are all poor? Nah, not so much.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yes paid, although not that much. Definitely not enough to take a trip to Disney.

You haven't followed the bill then. What they supposedly agreed on was basically full pay unemployment. I assume there are income limits imposed so that somebody earning $250,000 a year won't get their normal check but somebody earning $50,000 will. The latter makes up a higher percentage of WDW visitors.

 

[DisneyCane]

Tomorrow, sure. In 2 months when we are all poor? Nah, not so much.

Assuming that the country is reopened in a month or two the $2 TRILLION spending package will keep us all from being poor in the short term.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Not wanting to get a fatal disease (which nobody does) and being inherently afraid of it are two different things. Our brains use fear as a method of protection and self preservation. We aren't afraid of illnesses in the same way we are afraid of going up to a lion in the wild.

People aren't flying now because there's no reason to go anywhere. Business stopped almost an travel and a vacation doesn't make sense. What would you do on vacation? Order takeout to your hotel that has a view of the next even though you can't go to the beach?

I won’t be vacationing for awhile because of finances right now because of what’s going on. If that wasn’t a problem I still would not be going to Disney. Let’s imagine Disney did open today. With all the restrictions still in place in Florida and across the country. Add to that what insiders have said, if it’s true, that when they reopen there will be no meet and greets, restaurants are still to be closed until May 8.. rides may be limited depending on the attraction.. sounds like a fun trip. Would you go?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

You haven't followed the bill then. What they supposedly agreed on was basically full pay unemployment. I assume there are income limits imposed so that somebody earning $250,000 a year won't get their normal check but somebody earning $50,000 will. The latter makes up a higher percentage of WDW visitors.

Again, not enough money to take a Disney trip with all the unknowns about people’s jobs and such.
I have followed the bill closely.